Topic: Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent - page 4. (Read 1947 times)

That means casinos can get another advantage from lending money to gamblers. Actually it is a good idea but the casino should also know that not all gamblers can return the money they borrow. Some gamblers take a long time to be able to return their debts and interest to the casino. But some gamblers cannot even repay their debts and instead will lose all their belongings because they are all confiscated by the casino to guarantee their debts. Meanwhile, gamblers do not need to borrow money from casinos or other people because there is an additional risk they have to accept, especially if they cannot repay their debts.

Not only companies but also people closest to them seem to be reluctant to give loans to people who have debts due to gambling so they can pay off their debts to betting agents because that doesn't solve the problem at all, at other times the person can go back into debt to betting agents or other people or even worse to loan sharks just because they want to return to gambling, when he has the courage to owe a betting agent, then he proves how irresponsible he is by doing that.
What can be done is to make him aware not to repeat what he did and if he wants to give a loan, it must be with a clear agreement and by looking at his ability to pay.

It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with leverage. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.

I understand when it is meant that you have to risk in order to obtain some profit, that is something we know, however we as players sometimes have to have the degree of control of everything we do, that is, if we have control of what we have destined to lose there is no problem, because if it is lost, the loss is assumed and there should be no regrets or remorse, but if it is not assumed that things are like that or that they are not right, it is difficult, if a person has to play 200usd and lose it, then put more money even if it's 100usd more, and if you lose it, it's a mistake that shouldn't be made, and a player who bets more than he can afford to lose is what one can never do in life , no casino, nor any betting agent will say that they bet more than they should, that is our own decision, and due to this type of problem of betting more than normal, it is when they get desperate and blunders are made.

A casino betting agent is just a worker, they only have to stick to what they have to do, they cannot make attributions or decisions that do not correspond to them, because who or in any casino many unpleasant things can happen, like the one that happened , obviously the worker should be punished, because they should not go over the rules of the site, in fact they are unforgivable things in a job, a worker should not start inventing, also as I have said many times, this is about working with money, which makes it much more delicate, so things must be respected more, in fact when dealing with money, many permissions have to be requested before releasing it to anyone.

The rules in every casino, and even in any workplace, must always be respected, because as workers we cannot make decisions of that style, now the thing here is that the agent must answer for what he did, if the employer is benevolent, he He forgives the mistake, and continues working, but they have to punish him for something, because that's how things must be punished.

Helping the worker who get into loan due to the gambling loss.Because it will make the worker to comfort zone and he will work for you in long run.If the loan of loss is low,the owner can afford to give for the gambler worker.If the loan amount above the one year salary of the worker,mostly all the owner will worry to give the money.Because it's hard for the employee to return the money because the worker already get into the gambling addiction.If the worker not in addiction,why he need to get loan and play the game.If I was the owner to that gambling worker,I will help him if the gambling loss is not above his one month salary.The important one is the worker should not reuse the money for the next gambling game.

Well, if you can lend a cash advance to your worker so he can pay his debt on the betting agent, then problem solved. However, you cannot guarantee that the same scenario will not happen again especially that you are making things easier for your worker to gamble and lose his money in the end.

For me, I’d say the one at fault here is the gambler itself since he’s not supposed to gamble more than his income. And if by chance he’s just taking advantage from the agent’s offer without the intention to pay, then I must say the gambler is not a responsible and a reliable one especially when it comes to paying off his debt.

When it comes to gambling, there are rules guiding gambling companies and agents across the globe and these rules though differs in different nations but one of the commonest of the rules which I think is applicable to almost all the nations where gambling exist is the rule that gamblers must reach a certain number of age before they can use the betting platforms and that means for you to gamble, you must be a grown adult.
So that's why I think that nobody's to be blamed by the misfortunes of any gambler apart from the gambler. Betting agents do not force anyone to bet with them and shouldn't blamed for what happens after betting

Due to global economic meltdown, alot of personal economic problems have increased and this is as countries around the world struggle with high inflations and other economic problems, this has led to so many alternative means to meet ends need, this has led a lot of people into taking loans that have overbearing increase rates and other hidden charges that end up hanging around their neck for so long becoming a long overdue debt.

These kinds of loan companies are called loan sharks in my country, our sec has banned a good number of them and so have been fined because of their illegal operations and attempts to deceive unsuspecting citizens into taking loans without properly spelling out the conditions of the loan.

People must learn to accept gambling risks if they want to gamble. The risk of losing money is something they will encounter in gambling, so they need to prepare an amount of money that can run out at the gambling table, and they will not be too disappointed because they already know the risks. But if it is borrowing money from the casino, it is highly not recommended because there is no guarantee that we will win even if the money comes from the casino. We may experience a loss with the loan money, so it makes us unable to pay the loan money.

If we want to gamble, we have to set up a special budget for gambling that won't be mixed up with things like expenses, savings, or others. That will allow us to manage how much we can use for gambling and not interfere with needing money elsewhere. This requires financial control and management because in gambling, we will not always be able to get the win. And if we can't always get a win, that means the money we use can run out or we can stop gambling before the money runs out. And they also didn't need to think about recovering their losses because that was difficult.

In the midst of a recession right now, hard for people to find how to get money. Everything they can do to meet their needs. one of the ways is to force someone to ask loan. I've experience with it and often to see around me. Sometimes I got a short message offering loans from strangers where I don't know him. he's a little pushy, and lure with low interest, where in fact, the interest they are often is very big and impossible to pay off with a limit.

But don't lenders have a specific rule at the very least about who they want to lend to? I mean, it isn't exactly easy to loan to a person with literally nothing. Maybe if they had land in their name, even if they had nothing, they'd still be worth giving a loan to since they can sell that land or even just turn it over to pay the debts. It's a simple process really, and the question here is who is to blame for the loan.

Now I reckon the gambler who asked for the loan is just a mad man, asking for a loan even without substantial financial sources, but I'd reckon the case started in the first place because the loan was allowed, which was the fault of the lender instead. But well, since the case already happened, the only one we can blame here is the gambler themselves though.

Without a doubt the original blame resides with the gambler as they are asking for a loan for something that is completely unnecessary, however it is also undeniable the agent is also to blame, they know very well for what reason those people want to use that money and they still decide to offer them the loan.

So it is obvious they were trying to force this person into a difficult position from the beginning and almost extort the amount they are owed out of him with all they got.

No matter how we scrutinize whom to blame, it is always the gambler, because you are right, it is his responsibility to make sure he will not get addicted to gambling, and if he lends money, he will have a hard time paying for it, mostly if he doesn't have a stable job. The people who lend to that gambler are just doing their job and asking him to repay his loan in a hard way, and the lender should also make sure that he can pay what he has got.

I was at the house of one of my relatives, what I could see there is that my relative played the lottery every day, but when he had no money and he already knew the lottery person very well, what he did was simply to take the tickets from lottery, and paid days later when he had money, the problem with all this is that he always lost and when it came to paying the money he took in the lottery he was very sad, after watching all that for a long time I started to think that my relative was addicted to gambling and with that I started to tell him every day to give up buying those tickets forever because they were useless

and it was just hurting him a lot, but I wouldn't listen until I had to travel back to my house and months later I found out that my relative got very sick and this illness he had was related to the fact that he kept playing and losing, he got with heart problems and when I went to see him he couldn't play anymore, he had to get sick to stop playing altogether, but there were times when he wanted to continue playing but he had no money and the person who gave him tickets no longer worked at that company, I don't know if he was fired from the company because he kept letting people take lottery tickets and only pay days later

but one thing was clear to me, that was that without that employee working at that company, my relative could no longer take the lottery tickets to pay later and with the disease that my relative developed, so my relative had no choice, he stopped playing. I'm not trying to blame the seller, but this is one scenario that shows that lottery ticket sellers could also play an indirect role of blame when it comes to getting someone addicted to gambling.

If one can manage responsible gambling there will be no complaint. As long as a gambler can manage gambling with his own money, he will not be hated by anyone. Whenever he goes into debt it will start affecting his personal life. There is no fault can be found on the part of the lender in what happened mentioned by the OP. Because if lender has paid the loan according to the rules, then the person who has taken the loan will be legally guilty if he does not repay the loan.

In the economic crisis that we're experiencing right now, most people are willing to sacrifice relationships and their own reputation in the name of money. They are willing to fool and deceive others regardless of it's negative effect on a person's life and we have to be careful for that as we might fall into their trap. We all want to make money but if they are offering too good to be true bonuses and promotions, we need to think twice or better yet look for ways to research and seek legitimacy.
If we will grab every little thing that would seem legit, we could easily be deceived so we should never trust easily especially if it involves money. There will be no one to blame if we fall for their trap but it is us who are making personal decisions. It's better to be sure than to be fooled.

What we see when requesting a loan is to turn it into something productive , that is, a loan is Generally requested to set up businesses, to invest in a type of capitalization for a machinery company or something like that , to pay salaries , but in the case of a casino for a specific player we must do something, first, in a casino the money comes and goes, and it leaves more than what is going to come in, then for this reason we as Players must manage our abilities very well, if a loan is requested to play, at least I wouldn't or would, not to play, maybe for an investment , even if it's to buy Bitcoin, well I'm taking a Risk, because it is known that bitcoin apart from It can fall, it can rise, and it would become the investment of life , it is safer, but in casino games it would not.

Even so, when people do it , they must be aware that they must respond right there, whether it is to leave something as collateral, a car or something like that, so that they can provide trust to the casino and this is very delicate , because when we get Let's see , things can change a lot, a casino agent cannot make these decisions, if all the protocol must go through an Owner or Manager of the casino , because just buying in a bank when you are going to apply for a loan or credit, things are Usually very strict so that they can give it to them, in fact on occasions they ask for verifications of all kinds, and they ask for the financial status of the person , even though they know that person because of their seniority, those things are what I say are very be careful , because what will be given is money , and for them they need many Guarantees , things cannot be done like that or like that.

In a casino, unless the agent owns or has a stake in the casino, he is the one who can make the decisions, it cannot be done like this, it is obvious that the responsibility falls first on the person who spent and lost , but also on the person or the approving Agent.

In this world we can't count others are going to be kind to us, so we have to be very careful with our personal decisions. Something that may look a gift at the first impression might be more of a curse than a blessing, after all... That was the case with the agent offering the loan to the gambler. The same happens quite often even outside the gambling environment, when people in general go to their local banks and the manager offer them abundant loans offers for different reasons, without caring if those people will have money to repay the loan back futurely.

Despite what you are going to do, it can be to gamble, to travel, to refurbish, to invest... Always be very careful if you are going to borrow money for those reasons. Make sure you don't have any other alternatives before doing so. Because once you take a loan, you will have to pay a very expensive interest rate later.

Both had their own fault in the game,because the loan guy should get to know the purpose of loan.So that the loan getting person will pay their loan without any delay.The most avoided thing of the gambler is he/she should not loan from the agent to get the game.Most of the people use the loan option for the gambling after the complete loss to the game.So mostly I advice my friends,gambling is good but the loan with the gambling is the unnecessary one for the good gamblers.Because such game will not allow them to owe some one for the money.

Well yes, both are guilty, but they offer me a loan and it is in my knowledge whether or not I can accept it due to my ability to pay, if I see that I can't afford to pay, I'm not going to accept a loan like that, because how would pay? It would be something very painful, although there are people who do not care and accept things like this, but that is irresponsibility, if a casino is going to make a loan it must have many conditions to prevent the casino from losing money or credit there, for that reason when we We start to see what is better if going to a casino with your own or borrowed money, it is better with your own money, I would never use borrowed money to gamble in a casino.

When they give credit to people in a casino, it is because that casino knows who that person is, and knows very well that that person can respond to the credit or loan that was given to him, when he was in Lau a few years ago and entered to play in a casino, I remember that there were many older adults playing slot machines, they couldn't get away from there and a lady ran out of money, so she called an agent and that agent contacted the casino owner directly and they gave her a large amount of money in credit for the lady to continue playing, for me to see that amount of money was something impressive, I had not seen so much money there, I remember that I would go to the casino to my house, then I would return to the casino the next day and return to see that lady there in the same slot machine, I don't know, I always wondered if that lady had spent the whole night there or had left or just opened the casino and she's the first one that passed by, I saw those things, That is why I say that sometimes the agents are not to blame, it is the fault of the casino owner who issues the order that they can give credit to the person.