In gambling world there is the term mostly use as the sacred one and that is "No Bet No Win" meaning that this was being violated by the gambler and the agent as well because the player must not put a bet above his balance and the agent never let the bet without the complete amount in players balance.
this is both of them as mistake and this is just a turn around case.
but still there must be a settlement agreement if they don't want to have a conflict and issue forever.at least they must meet in middle.
Topic: Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent - page 8. (Read 1947 times)
Of course the betting is agent is to be blamed for such thing. I mean, why would the "agent" let him bet 8,000 coins if he has only 1,000 coins with him? Casinos don't work like this. They would never allow you to wager more than you can afford to lose. If there is one such casino, that casino won't be lasting long. Imagine hundred of people wagering money they don't have and then not paying. And then there are people that might win a lot with those money, and yet the casino still won't make any money...
The agent is to be blamed here for making a "bad" business model.
The agent is to be blamed here for making a "bad" business model.
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I think the same, I have always disagreed with the idea of casinos being allowed to extend credit to their clients, if we were talking about a real estate agency or a car shop then it would make sense those businesses could do so as what they are selling is too expensive for the majority of the people out there, however a casino only sells entertainment and as such they should not be allowed to use such tactics which take advantage of those which do not understand their games.In contrast to land-based casinos, maybe casinos can provide credit for customers so they can continue to gamble when they have no money at all.
But indeed this idea is not feasible to implement because it can lead to dependence for those who want to continue gambling sessions with this credit capital and in the long term it will only lead gamblers into debt problems.
A situation occurred today in my locality, I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is, and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.
Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
This is what happens when "GREED" is a dominant factor. This also happens when we relegate "EXPERTISE" and rely on emotions while gambling or making sports betting. In this case both the gambler and the betting agent are at fault.
1. The betting agent forgot that in business; never mix emotions with business (just like in crypto currency too)
2. The gambler forgot that with greed, you will lose all and earn nothing.
Greed have been the major factor that leads gamblers into this kind of situation and in this case, both the gambler and the agent are greedy in their different ways, because both of them are culprits in all this and for them to reach such an agreement and settle to bet in credits, it means that this is not first time this is happening and if truly so it then means that this will not also be the last time either because this is a Normal way of operating the business because their want to make a real sale by all means.
I think the same, I have always disagreed with the idea of casinos being allowed to extend credit to their clients, if we were talking about a real estate agency or a car shop then it would make sense those businesses could do so as what they are selling is too expensive for the majority of the people out there, however a casino only sells entertainment and as such they should not be allowed to use such tactics which take advantage of those which do not understand their games. 
This is what happens when "GREED" is a dominant factor. This also happens when we relegate "EXPERTISE" and rely on emotions while gambling or making sports betting. In this case both the gambler and the betting agent are at fault.
1. The betting agent forgot that in business; never mix emotions with business (just like in crypto currency too)
2. The gambler forgot that with greed, you will lose all and earn nothing.
Finally, i think that the betting agent and gambler are probably individuals who have close ties; they will resolve their fights when the gambler wins a new bet and is able to afford a refund; and then move on with their lives until another crisis surfaces out of greed (Will happen definitely).
A situation occurred today in my locality, I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is, and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.
Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
This is what happens when "GREED" is a dominant factor. This also happens when we relegate "EXPERTISE" and rely on emotions while gambling or making sports betting. In this case both the gambler and the betting agent are at fault.
1. The betting agent forgot that in business; never mix emotions with business (just like in crypto currency too)
2. The gambler forgot that with greed, you will lose all and earn nothing.
Finally, i think that the betting agent and gambler are probably individuals who have close ties; they will resolve their fights when the gambler wins a new bet and is able to afford a refund; and then move on with their lives until another crisis surfaces out of greed (Will happen definitely).
The betting agent didn't act professionally in this matter. How can he allow a gambler gamble on credit. Like who does that! Unfortunately if the gambler refuse to repay the debt then the agent would have to bear the cost for his unprofessional indulgence to allow a gambler repeatedly gamble to such amount. This is what addiction can cause, unsatisfactory and uncontrollable gambling habit, not knowing when to stop even when there's no money to continue gambling.
That is a personal question for the gambler because how his expected to pay the money is no man's business, and what is exoectedbis that he pays the money in whatever way he hopes to pay.
Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
The agreement was based on trust and whateve happens after is no one business. I know if he had won the bets, the man would have collected his money with some bonus on it. Life can be very confusing especially when we are expecting so much from gambling. Gambling is like the game of thrones and if you have too much expectations, you might end up losing everything and not having anything thing to write home about. The wise ones do not take gambling too serious that is why they bet like a pro with so much expectations from the bet they bet on. Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
that held responsible as for that gambler then he knows on whats the amount that he needs on paying and that agent knows about that certain players capacity on repaying up those credits.
If the havent been able to assess out it well then he wont really be just giving out that small amount of credits but rather it would be big. Good thing that the agent did really make out some
giving those credits on something which the gambler could really easily settle in because it would really be just on few days work patch up which it wont really be
that a huge problem in between parties.
That is not nice situation for both the casino agent and gambler, especially if the gambler has a low income periodically. The first person I wanna blame is the casino agent even if there were not trust issues he should know letting the gambler bet over his bankroll by lending him money can lead to bad results since he knows how bad it may end. The gambler also should take into consideration current debt issues and he should pay him back by selling his own stuff unless there are alternative ways to pay back the agent.
That is a personal question for the gambler because how his expected to pay the money is no man's business, and what is exoectedbis that he pays the money in whatever way he hopes to pay.
Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
The agreement was based on trust and whateve happens after is no one business. I know if he had won the bets, the man would have collected his money with some bonus on it. Life can be very confusing especially when we are expecting so much from gambling. Gambling is like the game of thrones and if you have too much expectations, you might end up losing everything and not having anything thing to write home about. The wise ones do not take gambling too serious that is why they bet like a pro with so much expectations from the bet they bet on. Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
Hmm ... maybe I misunderstood something, but a 4-day debt (in terms of earnings) is a trifle. Even if the guy has other obligations and debts, it seems to me quite realistic to strain a little and pay off such a debt in a maximum of a week.
As for the agent, he takes a big risk, but not in terms of giving a big loan (this loan is small, as I said in my opinion), but because does he have a license to issue loans? Maybe that player will complain to the police/court and that debt will be recognized as generally illegal = non-existent, and the agent will pay a fine that is much more than that amount.
As for the agent, he takes a big risk, but not in terms of giving a big loan (this loan is small, as I said in my opinion), but because does he have a license to issue loans? Maybe that player will complain to the police/court and that debt will be recognized as generally illegal = non-existent, and the agent will pay a fine that is much more than that amount.
Same thing happened in the Area I leave, a young lad went to gambling shop to bet a same visuals and exceeded his budget but instead of quiting decide to play more and the agents at the shop allowed him play cause he's a regular customer and they thought he'll be able to comply like he normally does just for the agents to figure out In an hour time that's he's stolen another customers cell phone and when questioned why he stole the phone his excise was that he did that to settle his debt In the shop.
Seriously events like this happen frequently, which am sure the only people that can stop that are the gambling agents, when a gambler visit them and they discover that the gambler have used up their money, they shouldn't allow them to gamble on debt even if they trust the gambler. If you want to gamble, then come with your money and immediately you finish your money, then no debt should be allowed.Gambling have made lots of people to do illegal things, which people in the society are thinking gambling is a bad thing, because of the way some addicted gambles do. Lots of gamblers think do crazy things just to get money to gamble which is very wrong, its not suppose to be like that.
When the gambler gambled and bet, he must have done so in his personal wisdom. so he has to take full responsibility for it and he can't blame anyone and can't blame the gambling agent either. Because if he wins the gamble then the gambling agent is bound to pay him his money with the profit but when he loses he must accept the loss. here the gambler got greedy and bet there, he cannot blame anyone and he has to take responsibility for his financial loss.
That what a denial person is, not only happen in gambling, but this kind person can be find everywhere. This kind person can't accept any lose or wrong, they will blame the other people and try to create fake story to make people think they're right.This kind person is dangerous in relationship, but in gambling, the casino can just ignore it or ask security to kick him.
We, as a gambler, need to bet what we can afford to lose and accept the losses since gambling isn't to earn money only.
That is a personal question for the gambler because how his expected to pay the money is no man's business, and what is exoectedbis that he pays the money in whatever way he hopes to pay.
Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
And that basically makes the betting agent responsible for what has happened, no matter how much they trust a person or how loyal one is to their betting shop, they should never allow them to gamble with credits without taking anything as collateral from them because they can't just run behind them all the time and won't even be able to find them if they move somewhere else without paying the debt as a lot of addicted gamblers can do that.Now I believe the bet shop attendant allowed the gambler play games upto such amount because of trust and let the principles of preferential treatment come to play but I'm sure the gambler missed used this trust now and it will be very hard for that shop and it's attendants to trusybsuch a person again. I think the best way to recover this money is to hold some valuables from the gambler possibly worthing thrice the amount gambled, and this will give him the drive to repay his debt.
I would definitely say that the betting agent was lucky that he found the gambler around, otherwise, he would have lost the money if the gambler would never be around anymore as he was free to go anywhere he wanted to, and the betting agent could do nothing at all after that.
A situation occurred today in my locality, I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is, and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.
Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
Same thing happened in the Area I leave, a young lad went to gambling shop to bet a same visuals and exceeded his budget but instead of quiting decide to play more and the agents at the shop allowed him play cause he's a regular customer and they thought he'll be able to comply like he normally does just for the agents to figure out In an hour time that's he's stolen another customers cell phone and when questioned why he stole the phone his excise was that he did that to settle his debt In the shop. Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said, that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual, that at first the guy came with ₦1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer, the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.
So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement, I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops, note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site, so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.
Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?
My annoyance is with this agents for allowing customer to play free games without any collateral most times this customers might be friends of the agents, so they forget that theirs no friends when it comes to business hence you'll lose your profits due to customers patronising you on credit. And as a gambler it's wise to make a budget before gambling and do not exceed the limit of that budget. Both the agent and customer are wrong but I'll blame the agent more for joking with his/her business.
Getting the gamblers into debt is not something a legit betting agent would go.
This guy(the betting agent) is most likely a gangster/mobster. I know that the gangsters, who a operate a gambling business always want to hook more gamblers by giving them credit and making them their "slaves". The combination of a "loan shark" service and a gambling business is pretty dangerous for the gamblers and borrowing money from such gangsters might totally ruin their lives.
This guy(the betting agent) is most likely a gangster/mobster. I know that the gangsters, who a operate a gambling business always want to hook more gamblers by giving them credit and making them their "slaves". The combination of a "loan shark" service and a gambling business is pretty dangerous for the gamblers and borrowing money from such gangsters might totally ruin their lives.
We are responsible for our own actions and the potential consequences. You are right, there are individuals who take advantage of people for financial gain, this is the reality in many areas of life, including gambling, but in the end, no one forces people to gamble with money they don't have! So the biggest blame is on the gambler himself, he got himself into trouble. Did he not know better, was he not aware of what he is doing? Whatever it was, the problem was caused by him.
It's why education is very important. We can't stop talking about "don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose", and "don't borrow money for gambling"... the consequences can be catastrophic!
The effort to put an emphasis on learning is commendable. While it is crucial to inform the public about the hazards of gambling, efforts should also be made to reform the business and implement public regulations that lessen the negative effects of the activity. To be optimistic in this situation may seem counterintuitive, but I truly believe that we can make a difference if we all work together.
When the gambler gambled and bet, he must have done so in his personal wisdom. so he has to take full responsibility for it and he can't blame anyone and can't blame the gambling agent either. Because if he wins the gamble then the gambling agent is bound to pay him his money with the profit but when he loses he must accept the loss. here the gambler got greedy and bet there, he cannot blame anyone and he has to take responsibility for his financial loss.
That what a denial person is, not only happen in gambling, but this kind person can be find everywhere. This kind person can't accept any lose or wrong, they will blame the other people and try to create fake story to make people think they're right.This kind person is dangerous in relationship, but in gambling, the casino can just ignore it or ask security to kick him.
We, as a gambler, need to bet what we can afford to lose and accept the losses since gambling isn't to earn money only.
By making installment adjustments in my opinion, how much is his ability in one installment and asking him to do it until it is paid off, if the player still cannot pay his debt then it is the fault of the betting agent because he is greedy enough to let his customer gamble more than the financial capacity that the customer has, it becomes the thing that can be when a person becomes greedy because it will benefit him so when the reality is the opposite then that is a risk he has to accept because it also leads someone to gamble more than their means.
When the gambler gambled and bet, he must have done so in his personal wisdom. so he has to take full responsibility for it and he can't blame anyone and can't blame the gambling agent either. Because if he wins the gamble then the gambling agent is bound to pay him his money with the profit but when he loses he must accept the loss. here the gambler got greedy and bet there, he cannot blame anyone and he has to take responsibility for his financial loss. 
Getting the gamblers into debt is not something a legit betting agent would go.
This guy(the betting agent) is most likely a gangster/mobster. I know that the gangsters, who a operate a gambling business always want to hook more gamblers by giving them credit and making them their "slaves". The combination of a "loan shark" service and a gambling business is pretty dangerous for the gamblers and borrowing money from such gangsters might totally ruin their lives.
This guy(the betting agent) is most likely a gangster/mobster. I know that the gangsters, who a operate a gambling business always want to hook more gamblers by giving them credit and making them their "slaves". The combination of a "loan shark" service and a gambling business is pretty dangerous for the gamblers and borrowing money from such gangsters might totally ruin their lives.
We are responsible for our own actions and the potential consequences. You are right, there are individuals who take advantage of people for financial gain, this is the reality in many areas of life, including gambling, but in the end, no one forces people to gamble with money they don't have! So the biggest blame is on the gambler himself, he got himself into trouble. Did he not know better, was he not aware of what he is doing? Whatever it was, the problem was caused by him.
It's why education is very important. We can't stop talking about "don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose", and "don't borrow money for gambling"... the consequences can be catastrophic!
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