Topic: Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe? - page 5. (Read 5468 times)

All religious groups carrying weapons and whose creed stipulates the use of violence in places other than legitimate self-defense are extremist groups. This has nothing to do with the image the media portrays to us. I live in an Arab country and most media channels portray Hezbollah as the leader of the Arab resistance against the Zionist presence in the region, but this is not true, and it is an ideological organization that defends the interests of its allies (Iran) in the region.

What I meant here is that it supports parties with a Shiite reference and does not support the state (the army) in its war against ISIS, for example. This support has existed since the US forces invaded Iraq in 2003, but it has expanded to include the war of the factions against each other.

Hezbollah acts in the Lebanese scene on sectarian grounds, and does not care that the rest of the sects burn. Hezbollah is disrupting the formation of the government, the formulation of parliament, and senior positions in the state, while neutralizing its loyalists from accountability. He does not have solutions to Lebanon's real crises, because it is in his interest to maintain a troubled reality, because this will highlight its strength. If we remove Israel from the map, and thus the danger from the south disappears, do you expect this party that speaks by the name God to vanish? An armed jihadist organization is similar to ISIS in terms of its ideological reference and its base structure, except that it does not commit crimes that put it on the public display, but when necessary, it will not hesitate. The International Tribunal had earlier proved the party's involvement in the assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and some other assassinations, in addition to its participation in the conflict in Syria since 2011.

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It was an interesting conversation.
I hope to continue it with you in the section devoted to this or in a separate topic that discusses the Iranian economy and its arms extending in the region.

I have to say that Iran moves are always in favor of usa that's why usa never did anything to Iran. Iran helped usa in uprooting Taliban government and saddam Hussain just because they are sunni Muslims. I have a firm believe that usa and Iran goals are very much same.

Saddam's invasion of Iran had nothing to do with religion specially since there is no hostility between Sunnis and Shia! It was all about a geopolitics. He dreamed of having significant access to Persian gulf and own the oil rich regions in western Iran. He had attacked Iran many times before the Iran's revolution but shortly after the revolution he thought he could take advantage of the chaos, specially since US+NATO+Arabs supported him so he started a full scale invasion.

You call it "extremist" because that is a term your censored media uses. The recent leaked classified documents showed that US has contacted this group proposing to change this media image and introduce them as a "humanitarian organization" if they sever their alliance with Iran.

FYI Iran is a member of NPT and article 10 of NPT mandates countries that are being threatened by other nuclear nations to build the bomb to protect themselves.

As I said before if someday Iran builds the nukes it will be according to NPT and because US, a nuclear nation, has been threatening Iran.
In other words you are looking for guarantees that Iran isn't going to build nukes while US is threatening Iran with invasion every day!

In order to stabilize the region and bring back the lost security there needs to be order and it is not a religious thing otherwise Christians in Syrian wouldn't have been one of the biggest supporters of Islamic Republic of Iran.

Did you expect the Iraqis to fight ISIS that had all kinds of weapons including armored vehicles with sticks and stones?

Lets see an example of what reform means.

What you call "reform" says in order to fight the economy and energy crisis in Lebanon they should take a $100 million loan from international bank and help the country.
In other words a temporary bandaid that puts the country in bigger debt and economy crisis.

Everyone else says Lebanon has hundreds of billions of dollars worth of energy like gas (IIRC $450 billion) that is being stolen by others and Lebanon should take it back, extract it themselves and both use it domestically to end the energy crisis and export it to EU for profit to end the economy crisis.
You call this impeding reform!

P.S. BTW we are off-topic here. I don't think I'll continue this any further.

The peace agreement was signed in 1975, and the two presidents received the Nobel Peace Prize in the same year, if I am not mistaken.
The Transit war had ended in 1973, during Sadat's period in Egypt.

Iran did not have enough time to organize its ranks abroad, as is happening today, because Saddam Hussein did not waste time to make it build a military force due to the historical hostility between Sunnis and Shiites. Saddam was not accepting of support for Iraqi Shiites, which is what we see today after the fall of Saddam's regime Hussein in 2003.

The Amal movement arose in the early eighties as a resistance movement against the Zionist occupation of southern Lebanon, comprising Lebanese citizens rejecting the occupation after the Lebanese army was unable to resist a sophisticated army like the Israeli army. Then it turned from a resistance movement to an extremist religious organization after the end of the war between Iran and Iraq that includes only Shiites and they raised the slogan of resistance, but in fact they represent Iran’s agenda in the region, and after the liberation of southern Lebanon in 2002, it became a colony of Hezbollah that includes only its forces and loyalists. . Of course, Iran is the one who provides the party with all the military and logistical support that passes through loyal Syria as well.

This occupation has remained a disgrace to this day, especially after we witnessed the Syrian regime bombing its people with heavy artillery and not firing a single shot at the Israeli soldiers stationed on the border.

This is what appears from the declared positions, but are there sufficient guarantees that the Iranian nuclear program will not be transformed from an evolutionary scientific program to a military one? I don't think there is any easier than that.
With the accumulation of sanctions on Iran, no one is actually able to realize the extent of Iran's capabilities in developing a nuclear arsenal. Currently, there are cameras at all Iranian nuclear activities sites, but we must not forget that it has everything needed to manufacture a nuclear weapon.


Iran is seeking to spread and gain more allies, which seems difficult without funding armed groups due to the religious nature of the state. Its presence in Iran represents a force on the ground that we recently discovered is invincible. In Iraq, it did not stop supporting the parties with weapons, and what has happened four days ago in Iraq proves the extent of Iran's influence there.
We must not forget the strength of Hezbollah in Lebanon and how it impedes reform mainly because of sectarian considerations.

Not anti-USA but anti-colonialism.

hmm. Could you name some of these alternatives that can supply EU with the much needed gas? And where have all these alternatives been all this time?

No One can replace the supply of Russia but Russia itself. EU has already done so much damage to the world by putting sanctions and bans on Russia. Also many countries faced regime change for being neutral. Directly or indirectly the whole world faced the effects of Ukraine and Russia war. EU must apologize to Russia and get back their oil and gas supply. Winter is coming.

Candidly speaking, I do believe before Putin went to war, he must have weighed his options and am certain, that other countries who followed the stories from the onset, considered alternatives for power. 
Russia has some sort of independent power due to its power infrastructures and some influential allies. With the war on hand, this power is tested.
With sanctions flying and the EU standing strong to ensure reliance on Russian gas consumption reduced to less than 15%  for its allied countries, other alternatives are definitely in play.

Iran role in the region is always very much doubtful. On one side they say they are very much anti USA but on other side they supported usa when they came to eliminate Taliban and Saddam Hussain. There are also news cia have links with Khomeini well before Iran revolution.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

When viewed from various countries today, only Africa can supply gas for US needs, because indeed in this country it still has a lot of gas reserves, but the problem is infrastructure as you say, they need time to do all that, in order to have infrastructure adequate and has standards.

Besides that Russia itself will never be silent with the US treatment that starts exploring the African state, because this will hamper their industry and economic chaos, Russian power will weaken when the gas supply is no longer in the distribution of the superpower, given the largest need for gas usage in the country

I don't think that a new gas pipeline can be built in a year or so. Even if the pipeline can be built in such a short time, there is no guarantee that the transporters will find enough gas to keep it in operation. Any gas pipeline from the middle-east to the EU is out of consideration, because it needs to pass through Iraq and Syria. Azerbaijan doesn't have enough spare gas. Turkmenistan is an option, however most of the gas is currently being supplied to China and Russians won't be happy if they suddenly start diverting their gas to EU.

And I am sure many other countries will be doing the same. There is no other solution to it.
Also if they try to build a new pipeline and they try to do something extra quick it will take more than a year to do it. So better say sorry to Russia and move on with them

AFAIK the peace treaty was signed in 1979 (same year as Iran's revolution) and it takes until 1982 for Egyptians to take Sinai desert back.

Actually Iran didn't have any serious military presence outside Iran until early 2000's.

You see after the revolution in 1979 since Iran booted US out and the tensions started growing there was an 8 year war which is the largest land battles after WWII until today. So from 1980 to 1988 Iran is defending against a full invasion and Iranians are practically defending against about 80 countries while Iran is abandoned by everyone.
It is also worth mentioning that Iran didn't have any military infrastructure in those days. It was so bad that Iranians couldn't even build bullets for their guns let alone build any advanced equipment (radars, missiles, rockets, aircraft, naval units) or even maintain stuff they already owned back then like the manned planes.

After the war ends and Iran emerges victoriously, there is about a decade of construction which brings us to 2000's and Bush's dream of invading Iran; as general W.K. Clark said the order they received was to destroy 7 countries in 5 years (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran) to destabilize the region; and hence the Iran's serious military presence and US defeat years later.

The Lebanese resistance was formed in early 80's after their country was occupied in order to liberate those parts.
During this time Iran was already at its own war as I explained above and was starved for weapons since literary nobody sold Iran anything and until then there was no infrastructure to build anything domestically either. Don't look at now that Iran is a big exporter of most advanced weapons, that took decades to build.

In fact despite what the media has always said, what Iran supply its allies with has not been weapons, but its the ideology. The simple ideology of defense, resistance and self reliance. Which is why Yemenis who are in the worse blockade in history have advanced missiles and drones. They built it themselves.

Well complete victory has not yet been achieved against the occupiers. After all Palestine is not yet liberated.

I disagree because apart from what is reported in the media, everyone knows what the real intentions of Iran's nuclear program is. It is a peaceful program for hundreds of peaceful benefits of nuclear science.
- Every intelligence agency like CIA have already confirmed that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Just google CIA director statements and you'll find in multiple occasions over the years this was approved.
- International Atomic Energy Agency has had most of its inspections from Iranian facilities, at some point it was as high as 90% of their inspections and they are supposed to inspect the whole world!!! They have approved everywhere that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
- To top it all, Iran's supreme leader as the highest official who makes the final decisions in major matters and his words don't change since unlike Western Democracies the person doesn't change every couple of years! He considers WMDs that includes nukes haram, which is the highest way of prohibiting its manufacturing.

The reason why nukes are highlighted in the media is because they are scarier and it helps with Iranophobia strategy. They can't just tell the truth like saying "Iran has the most sophisticated air defense that has made the country impenetrable and we want that to go away so we can invade".
In fact the first draft of JCPOA before 2015 included all these terms and only a tiny portion of it was about nukes! Which is why US pulled out of it in 2018, they wanted 2.0 version of it that targets Iranian defensive capabilities to finish the plan that Bush had in 2000's as I said earlier.

Militarily speaking Iran doesn't need nukes to be an existential threat to Israel when a single ballistic missile can wipe out most of it.
Watch this excessive for example which is part of a bigger one held in the middle of Iran in an area that is twice the size of occupied lands. This is the simulated facility of equal size that builds nukes in Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc72QEoyAY
All it takes is only a single hyper-sonic BM to hit the target with its bunker busting warhead.

If some day Iran builds any nukes it would be in deterrence against United States that has a vast geography and is not a tiny land.

Well, the context is actually about defending your home against the invaders. Both Iraq and Yemen have been invaded by foreign forces that happen to be or consist of Western countries.
Iraq conflict is mostly won and over while Yemen conflict is still ongoing with Yemenis resistance gaining increasing number of victories in every face off.

Meanwhile, Latvia has resumed buying Russian gas through an intermediary.

If you buy not directly from Gazprom and pay not in rubles, but in euros, then gas becomes more democratic.

I deeply respect your encyclopedic culture, so to speak.
You seem to me to be familiar with the whole scene in the Middle East and not just say a word based on a quick internet search. Your knowledge of the protocols of Zionism and their greatest dream of the State of Israel, stretching from the ocean to the Gulf, caught my attention.
Well, but I do not agree with you in the general idea that Israel invaded and occupied parts of the Arab countries neighboring Palestine in implementation of that great project and that it declined due to the rise of Iranian power. This seems to me very far from what the books of history tell us.
I will try to summarize the idea by focusing on the roots of the Iranian-Israeli conflict.
Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the Arabs have allied themselves in a war against it within the framework of the so-called Arab unity, backed by the Soviet Union, which led that war by proxy, since Israel is supported by America and the West. In 1967, Israel succeeded in invading all of southern Lebanon, the Sinai desert (Egypt) and the Shebaa Farms (Syria) after violating the armistice resolution approved by the United Nations and called the Arab setback. The situation remained as it was until 1973, when Egypt managed to recover the Sinai desert in what was called the War of Transit. All this, and there was no presence of Iran as a military force in the region until 1979, when the Islamists rose to power in Iran and supported ideologically loyal factions in Lebanon to be able to liberate southern Lebanon in 1982.
That religious group in Lebanon (Hezbollah) posed a threat on the northern borders of Israel, since Iran was providing them with weapons through its pro-Syrian, but Syria has not been able to date to recover the occupied Shebaa Farms since 1967.
The main problem between Israel and Iran began when the Iranian nuclear intentions were discovered, which became a regional threat to Israel, which was the only nuclear power in the region and therefore would be at the forefront of the cannon if an armed conflict broke out between Iran and the West, and for this we always see Iran threatening to target Israel when the conflict with the West intensifies.
Iran is currently leading wars in Yemen and Iraq, but this is in the context of the conflict with the West and not directly with Israel.

Not many countries can produce gas, especially to build a gas network very difficult and requires very high costs, after Russia succeeded in controlling the supply of gas in many European countries, this is bad because of European dependence on Russian gas so that when there is a conflict helpless.

The Zionists have an aggravation against everyone who is not a Zionist but unlike other genocidal maniacs like Nazis or ISIS, they were wise enough to only wage war against a smaller group instead of the whole world.
Basically they have a 3 step plan:
1. To first create a country which they happened 70 years ago.
2. To expand it between "two waters" (as demanded by their religion) ie. from the Mediterranean sea all the way to Indian ocean.
3. To cleanse the world of anybody who is not born a Zionist (as part of their religion to usher in the end of the world)

The second step required murdering more than 100 million people and occupying Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a bunch of other tiny countries. They were progressing too, for example in 70's they declared war against the entire Middle East and during those wars thousands of people were massacred, countries were being defeated one after the other like Egypt military that was wiped out in a couple of hours, Lebanon that was occupied, parts of Syria that were occupied, Saudi military that was obliterated, etc.

Then 1979 comes and there is a revolution in Iran and the weak Monarchy is replaced by Islamic Republic and IRI gives its full support to the Palestinian cause to put an end to the genocide. After some years everything starts changing. All those achievements mentioned above are taken away, the occupied lands are liberated and the Zionist regime starts facing defeat after defeat.
Long story short, after 43 years not only all those countries are liberated and are safe but also now Palestine itself is starting to be revived  and Palestinians are moving towards taking back their homes that were taken away by force 70 years ago. The regime that was once in an offensive mode is now in a full defensive mode and each war is getting shorter and shorter with the result being their defeat.

Obviously they hate the main reason that put an end to their genocide, which is Iran.

No that is purely psychological warfare.

Regular people in Iran may get worried when hearing such threats for the first time (which is what they want) but if they take a simple look at the maps they can see the size difference, the distance, the geographical advantage, etc. all make such attacks impossible.
This is all not to mention the military superiority of Iran or the fact that Iran and its allies have already surrounded the occupied lands while Iran's mainland is more than a thousand kilometers away.

The most ridiculous thing about this over-match is the the time it takes to attack. They say it would take the Zionists between 30 to 45 minutes to reach Iran (that's assuming they can reach and aren't shut down midway) to try to hit a couple of targets but it would take Iran's missiles between 10 to 15 seconds to wipe out the entire Israel.

Sorry for the offtopic, what kind of aggravation does Israel have towards Iran? Are they seriously threatening to use force?

That pipeline was supposed to go from Northern Iraq (in control of separatists) to Turkey and then to Europe. Syria doesn't even come in. Even from Qatar it could go to Iraq then to Turkey then to Europe.
Syrian war was a lot more complicated game to destabilize the whole region and Russia wasn't even interested in this conflict for years. Iranians have been in that war from the start fighting against the US backed terrorists. After some time we convinced Russia to provide some air support to help speed up the process of getting rid of terrorists in Syria.

Biden is in trouble because Midterm elections are approaching . . and democrats are in more power.
The end of US - Afghan war was another set back to Biden administration - and this inflation and oil crisis is going to affect the midterm elections.

Poor Saudi Arabia. If they dont give oil for free, then they should be ready that intelligence will find "nuclear weapons" or other thread, and open hands wide to welcome uncle Sam and democracy.