Who would you like on a Bitcoin Council that represented the BTC community?

2weiX

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Quote from: Rassah on October 08, 2012, 10:57:49 PM

I nominate each and every one of us, acting in our own rational self interest, providing ideas whose merits are based only on the quality of those ideas, and on how much the people who came up with those ideas are willing to put in to make them a reality.
I still don't know why we need a specific single group, or even competing groups.

Funny how people continued to post after this.
Because this is exactly how Bitcoin works.

oakpacific

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I think everyone that was part of the decision making during the chainfork night should be in, they are effectively the guys who matters.

Bitcoin Oz

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Wat

Heirarchial systems are fail.

gweedo

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Quote from: tvbcof on May 07, 2013, 09:33:56 PM

I'm going back to my initial thoughts from a few years ago (and taking the side of myself that wishes for the best health of Bitcoin...)

I wish the entire project to be head-less and any hierarchy to be nebulous and ill defined. This will make it more difficult to attack and manipulate in a predictable way. I believe things would work out that way and 'Bitcoin' would be better for it.

I think a lot of people would love a headless bitcoin system, but obvious the power at be, have different plans for that.

Quote from: tvbcof on May 07, 2013, 09:33:56 PM

On the other end of the spectrum (where a different side of me lives) the Bitcoin Foundation is doing a decent job of making me rich off my speculation. That's fine with me to. Those who would mold Bitcoin into a system which could be adopted more or less in-total by large corporations would probably make me richer faster so there is a side of me that favors that path as well.

The bitcoin foundation is doing that? Also bitcoin foundation isn't make anyone rich, that is the free market and the passion of the community. I know I have contacted many sites, begging and even helping them to accept bitcoins. So thank you for crediting the foundation for the communities hard work. Also I am pretty sure bitpay, and coinbase are making it easier for large corporations to operate with little overhead in the bitcoin. The bitcoin foundation has done nothing but fill the pockets of one person, that is why we need to break the monopoly, but it will be very tough.

As bitcoin could be easily aligned to bitcoin foundation views since the dev members control the foundation, another foundation or council would not be able to have that same effect. It is power would have to come from the people only and it will not be an easy battle, it would be a very difficult and more pseudo-political power.

tvbcof

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I'm going back to my initial thoughts from a few years ago (and taking the side of myself that wishes for the best health of Bitcoin...)

I wish the entire project to be head-less and any hierarchy to be nebulous and ill defined. This will make it more difficult to attack and manipulate in a predictable way. I believe things would work out that way and 'Bitcoin' would be better for it.

On the other end of the spectrum (where a different side of me lives) the Bitcoin Foundation is doing a decent job of making me rich off my speculation. That's fine with me to. Those who would mold Bitcoin into a system which could be adopted more or less in-total by large corporations would probably make me richer faster so there is a side of me that favors that path as well.

anyroll

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Max kieser definitly! Even though hes a little nuts he has some damn good points! Grin

bg002h

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I outlived my lifetime membership:)

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Quote from: gweedo on September 30, 2012, 12:10:50 AM

I nominate Mike Hearn

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Never thought of agree with Gweedo on something though :-)

BTC Books

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Nice necrothread.

Political development is so... predictable.

So to balance the House of Lords, we institute a House of Commons? Sure. Why not?

I want smoothie in there, For the first group portrait, I want him to be stepping on evolve's foot. [n.b., that's an historical reference, not a desire to inflict pain...]

Crap. I really didn't want to be condemned to repeat the past. I thought bitcoin was our ticket out of that shopworn place...

paraipan

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I think this idea need to be revised and put into practice rather sooner than later. We're already starting to see "benevolent programmers" between ranks.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-developers-adding-minimum-transaction-output-size-to-gavin-197414

I would vote for having an "invested" Bitcoin Council, like everyone that has a certain threshold of bitcoins can propose and vote for other proposals. Selecting certain individuals would not be necessary in this case.

WikileaksDude

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Quote from: ralree on October 09, 2012, 08:35:11 AM

Cascascius gets my vote

yeah, he is a pretty solid guy. i hope he starts his own forum some day...

I second this.

ralree

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Manateeeeeeees

Cascascius gets my vote

greyhawk

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In the same vein Team Ponzi hereby announces our official renaming to Statists Communicating Against Maleficient Bitcoin Operated Treachery (SCAMBOT).

Hasimir

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Quote from: Spekulatius on September 30, 2012, 04:47:43 PM

Quote from: El Cabron on September 30, 2012, 12:06:50 AM

Who would you like on a Bitcoin Council that represented the whole BTC community and it's spirit?

No one. Whoever you nominate no one could live up to the promise. The community is far too diverse for any single entity to cover it all.
What we need is a multitude of different organisations from different backgrounds with different views and interests.
Im happy we already have a couple:

CLAG: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-cryptocurrency-legal-advocacy-group-clag-76216
Bitcoin Foundation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitcoin-foundation-113400
Bitcoin Consultancy (?): http://bitcoinconsultancy.com/

but we need more of them!

This is the most intelligent thing I’ve heard yet. You probably need as many as there are member seats in the UN. Merica has The Bitcoin Foundation. Who’s next?

Alright, I'll bite ... I am officially announcing a new group: the Bitcoin Anarchists Securing Trust And Revolutionary Decentralisation Syndicate.

The Bitcoin Anarchists Securing Trust And Revolutionary Decentralisation Syndicate (BASTARDS) is open to all and sundry.

c_k

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Well in that case, what would a council even achieve?

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If there was a group of people that debated and made recommendations to pool operators, miners and industry who would you want to hear from, who would you trust?

I honestly don't think anyone should speak for any one other than themselves. I certainly don't want someone speaking for me.

If someone wants to hold a vote on something, that can already be done on the forum or the mailing list.

Want your proposal to be documented once it has a consensus? Put it on the wiki, post a locked thread, summarise it on the mailing list - where ever people feel is appropriate.

You then want to communicate that to pool operators or miners? There should be a place those ideas that reached consensus can be referred to - the wiki seems the best place to me along with an announcement on the forums and the mailing list.

The mailing list (bitcoin, not bitcoin-dev) on sourceforge a bit dead? So what? It's still there to be used and could do with some life.

As for communicating with industry, well... I'm not sure an anonymous group of members that call themselves a council would get listened to...

gweedo

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Quote from: c_k on October 08, 2012, 11:49:29 PM

We don't need any more councils or what ever, the bitcoin foundation is fine as it is - just join and move for a vote on changes if you want any

And you don't question how two companies hold seats, unopposed by any other companies or competing companies? Or how there are no checks and balances?

c_k

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We don't need any more councils or what ever, the bitcoin foundation is fine as it is - just join and move for a vote on changes if you want any

Rassah

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I nominate each and every one of us, acting in our own rational self interest, providing ideas whose merits are based only on the quality of those ideas, and on how much the people who came up with those ideas are willing to put in to make them a reality.
I still don't know why we need a specific single group, or even competing groups.

El Cabron

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Quote from: kjj on October 08, 2012, 09:47:10 PM

Quote from: ChrisKoss on October 08, 2012, 03:36:13 PM

Just throwing it out there: I'd pay 2.5 BTC/yr for a monthly-ish newsletter from the above people, critically discussing the BTC economy, and suggesting specific solutions to problems they identify. Might be a good way to kickstart the council.

Some articles I'd love to see:

- How are the actions of X company misaligned with the interests of Bitcoin? (Bitcoin businesses or Foundation)

- Did the operator(s) of site X react properly to being (hacked/scammed/organizational conflict, etc)?

- Analysis of the Bitcoin credit contraction. What kinds of securities had their value suddenly go "poof"? Which businesses turned out to secretly be investing in HYIPs? What did the systemic risk look like? What should future Bitcoin investors take away from this?

- How far away are we from having to worry about Quantum computing? What is the most vulnerable algorithm in Bitcoin to QC? When should Bitcoin be quantum-proofed?

- How does the Bitcoin core dev team work? Is there a 'culture' of this group? Funny anecdotes? What can the community do for the dev team? Does anything about the core dev structure need to be changed?

- How will pools change as ASICs come online? Will the mining pool, as we know it, become extinct? Will mining become more centralized?

I know all of this has been discussed on the forums extensively, but the signal to noise ratio is very low and the info is scattered among many threads. I would much rather read consistently high-quality content from Bitcoin community members I trust than have to skim the forums for info. So much so, that I'd be willing to pay.

This idea is starting to look somewhat like BitcoinMagazine, but I'd like something that's directed at BTC users, not newbies, and discusses topics in more depth. I think having a trusted, rational and impartial voice from the heart of the Bitcoin world, which is free to criticize any large player acting in a way they disagree with, could be a powerful positive force for Bitcoin. Trust and an audience will need to be built first though.

Forget the council thing, make this newsletter!

that is a great idea, we really need something like a monthly bitcoin magazine.

kjj

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Quote from: ChrisKoss on October 08, 2012, 03:36:13 PM

Just throwing it out there: I'd pay 2.5 BTC/yr for a monthly-ish newsletter from the above people, critically discussing the BTC economy, and suggesting specific solutions to problems they identify. Might be a good way to kickstart the council.

Some articles I'd love to see:

- How are the actions of X company misaligned with the interests of Bitcoin? (Bitcoin businesses or Foundation)

- Did the operator(s) of site X react properly to being (hacked/scammed/organizational conflict, etc)?

- Analysis of the Bitcoin credit contraction. What kinds of securities had their value suddenly go "poof"? Which businesses turned out to secretly be investing in HYIPs? What did the systemic risk look like? What should future Bitcoin investors take away from this?

- How far away are we from having to worry about Quantum computing? What is the most vulnerable algorithm in Bitcoin to QC? When should Bitcoin be quantum-proofed?

- How does the Bitcoin core dev team work? Is there a 'culture' of this group? Funny anecdotes? What can the community do for the dev team? Does anything about the core dev structure need to be changed?

- How will pools change as ASICs come online? Will the mining pool, as we know it, become extinct? Will mining become more centralized?

I know all of this has been discussed on the forums extensively, but the signal to noise ratio is very low and the info is scattered among many threads. I would much rather read consistently high-quality content from Bitcoin community members I trust than have to skim the forums for info. So much so, that I'd be willing to pay.

This idea is starting to look somewhat like BitcoinMagazine, but I'd like something that's directed at BTC users, not newbies, and discusses topics in more depth. I think having a trusted, rational and impartial voice from the heart of the Bitcoin world, which is free to criticize any large player acting in a way they disagree with, could be a powerful positive force for Bitcoin. Trust and an audience will need to be built first though.

Forget the council thing, make this newsletter!

LoupGaroux

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So, the anonymous transaction process wants to have competing governing advisory councils? How exactly is this going to benefit my anonymous use of a crypto-currency? By having more ways for a shadow government tie my transaction to identifiable information? By having a group of influence brokers set the table for future con games and create rules to benefit themselves and their cronies? By giving the semblance of legitimacy to the criminal fuckwits that have already been listed as potential board members?

Bad idea. Very bad idea. Very bad, kill this infant in the cradle, smother the parents who came up with the idea, eliminate any genetic trace of their lineage, scorch and salt the earth they walked on, bad idea.

Here for the tl;dr simple minded crowd:

Bitcoin is about anonymity. Having a means to transfer value without anybody else seeing, taxing, controlling or registering what you do and how you do it.

Foundations and Councils and Unions and all this other centralized governing horse shit is about the exact opposite of that. It's a freaking old ladies tea and crumpet club that wants to exert power and be leaders and make rules and make decisions. We don't need it, we don't want it, we don't welcome it.

There is no form where it is acceptable. It is the antithesis of what bitcoin is. If Gavin needs a salary, some enlightened business should offer him one. If there is a need for paid development, then put out a call for bounties to be paid from the anonymous community to the anonymous developers.

This is absurd and evil.

And it is that kind of thinking that would make me perfect for the council, because I wouldn't accept the nomination, and would not serve if selected.

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