Who would you like on a Bitcoin Council that represented the BTC community? - page 3.

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Quote from: jimbobway on September 30, 2012, 02:31:26 PM

We want a decentralized bitcoin foundation, a P2P Bitcoin Foundation. Write some P2P software that has rules built in that is capable of allocating money to top voted projects. Use smart contracts to enforce rules.

Basically this is a P2P Government, and the possibilities are endless.

Now that is a fascinating idea.

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Quote from: stochastic on September 30, 2012, 11:16:46 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 30, 2012, 11:14:43 PM

Quote from: stochastic on September 30, 2012, 10:36:16 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on September 30, 2012, 10:26:45 PM

This thread is full of fail.

There will be no Bitcoin Council because it's essentially the same thing as the Foundation was as initially proposed. What remains to be seen if the true colors in this forum take down the now starting BTC Foundation and Bitcoin along with it. Sad

I think what people fail to see is that any group of people can create a bitcoin foundation. Any group of people can raise money to hire developers for bitcoin. Any group of people can raise money to hire lobbyists to make sure the state keeps its hands off bitcoin. It does not have to be one group, it can be many. If you don't like the direction of one group, then go form your own. Humans are not solitary organisms. We are social creatures. If you were not, you would not be on a forum.

I ask, who has more money to waste on a bitcoin council? A few for profit companies that runs on slim margins, or thousands of individuals that are willing to forgo a latte to instead fund their favorite bitcoin group to achieve their stated goals?

A lot of people, like me, became interested in bitcoin because of the potential cryptocurrencies have in the natural progression of cryptoanarchist and anarcho-capitalist philosophies. Those philosophies don't say "no government." Instead they say "voluntary government." Of course people can act like cats and refuse to form pacts, but don't be sad when the world leaves you behind.

The meek shall inherit the earth; the strong and wise will keep moving.

What you fail to see is that The Bitcoin Foundation intends to control Bitcoin development as the United States intends to control the Middle East.

So form your own foundation to fight back, or are you just going to bitch and moan?

I am a lone wolf. I have always been. Social organizing has never been my specialty.

I just bitch, whine and moan until everybody sees the truth. If the community as a whole values the point, it gets done on its own through mass resistance. I believe I serve a role towards my preferred end.

The bitcoinfoundation.org website was or is getting DDOS'd, so I am quite content with how things are now. People are aware and that's all I desire. If everyone is aware it all gets done.

We don't need formal organizations to have everything done in our preferred ways.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 30, 2012, 11:14:43 PM

What you fail to see is that The Bitcoin Foundation intends to control Bitcoin development as the United States intends to control the Middle East.

ahahaha that's sig worthy Grin

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Quote from: Atlas on September 30, 2012, 11:14:43 PM

Quote from: stochastic on September 30, 2012, 10:36:16 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on September 30, 2012, 10:26:45 PM

This thread is full of fail.

There will be no Bitcoin Council because it's essentially the same thing as the Foundation was as initially proposed. What remains to be seen if the true colors in this forum take down the now starting BTC Foundation and Bitcoin along with it. Sad

I think what people fail to see is that any group of people can create a bitcoin foundation. Any group of people can raise money to hire developers for bitcoin. Any group of people can raise money to hire lobbyists to make sure the state keeps its hands off bitcoin. It does not have to be one group, it can be many. If you don't like the direction of one group, then go form your own. Humans are not solitary organisms. We are social creatures. If you were not, you would not be on a forum.

I ask, who has more money to waste on a bitcoin council? A few for profit companies that runs on slim margins, or thousands of individuals that are willing to forgo a latte to instead fund their favorite bitcoin group to achieve their stated goals?

A lot of people, like me, became interested in bitcoin because of the potential cryptocurrencies have in the natural progression of cryptoanarchist and anarcho-capitalist philosophies. Those philosophies don't say "no government." Instead they say "voluntary government." Of course people can act like cats and refuse to form pacts, but don't be sad when the world leaves you behind.

The meek shall inherit the earth; the strong and wise will keep moving.

What you fail to see is that The Bitcoin Foundation intends to control Bitcoin development as the United States intends to control the Middle East.

So form your own foundation to fight back, or are you just going to bitch and moan?

Atlas

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Quote from: stochastic on September 30, 2012, 10:36:16 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on September 30, 2012, 10:26:45 PM

This thread is full of fail.

There will be no Bitcoin Council because it's essentially the same thing as the Foundation was as initially proposed. What remains to be seen if the true colors in this forum take down the now starting BTC Foundation and Bitcoin along with it. Sad

I think what people fail to see is that any group of people can create a bitcoin foundation. Any group of people can raise money to hire developers for bitcoin. Any group of people can raise money to hire lobbyists to make sure the state keeps its hands off bitcoin. It does not have to be one group, it can be many. If you don't like the direction of one group, then go form your own. Humans are not solitary organisms. We are social creatures. If you were not, you would not be on a forum.

I ask, who has more money to waste on a bitcoin council? A few for profit companies that runs on slim margins, or thousands of individuals that are willing to forgo a latte to instead fund their favorite bitcoin group to achieve their stated goals?

A lot of people, like me, became interested in bitcoin because of the potential cryptocurrencies have in the natural progression of cryptoanarchist and anarcho-capitalist philosophies. Those philosophies don't say "no government." Instead they say "voluntary government." Of course people can act like cats and refuse to form pacts, but don't be sad when the world leaves you behind.

The meek shall inherit the earth; the strong and wise will keep moving.

What you fail to see is that The Bitcoin Foundation intends to control Bitcoin development as the United States intends to control the Middle East.

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Wat

I think the scammers should start a foundation since theres so many of them.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on September 30, 2012, 10:26:45 PM

This thread is full of fail.

There will be no Bitcoin Council because it's essentially the same thing as the Foundation was as initially proposed. What remains to be seen if the true colors in this forum take down the now starting BTC Foundation and Bitcoin along with it. Sad

I think what people fail to see is that any group of people can create a bitcoin foundation. Any group of people can raise money to hire developers for bitcoin. Any group of people can raise money to hire lobbyists to make sure the state keeps its hands off bitcoin. It does not have to be one group, it can be many. If you don't like the direction of one group, then go form your own. Humans are not solitary organisms. We are social creatures. If you were not, you would not be on a forum.

I ask, who has more money to waste on a bitcoin council? A few for profit companies that runs on slim margins, or thousands of individuals that are willing to forgo a latte to instead fund their favorite bitcoin group to achieve their stated goals?

A lot of people, like me, became interested in bitcoin because of the potential cryptocurrencies have in the natural progression of cryptoanarchist and anarcho-capitalist philosophies. Those philosophies don't say "no government." Instead they say "voluntary government." Of course people can act like cats and refuse to form pacts, but don't be sad when the world leaves you behind.

The meek shall inherit the earth; the strong and wise will keep moving.

ElectricMucus

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This thread is full of fail.

There will be no Bitcoin Council because it's essentially the same thing as the Foundation was as initially proposed. What remains to be seen if the true colors in this forum take down the now starting BTC Foundation and Bitcoin along with it. Sad

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Quote from: El Cabron on September 30, 2012, 12:06:50 AM

Who would you like on a Bitcoin Council that represented the whole BTC community and it's spirit?

No one. Whoever you nominate no one could live up to the promise. The community is far too diverse for any single entity to cover it all.
What we need is a multitude of different organisations from different backgrounds with different views and interests.
Im happy we already have a couple:

CLAG: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-cryptocurrency-legal-advocacy-group-clag-76216
Bitcoin Foundation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitcoin-foundation-113400
Bitcoin Consultancy (?): http://bitcoinconsultancy.com/

but we need more of them!

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Quote from: kjj on September 30, 2012, 04:13:20 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 30, 2012, 04:05:41 PM

If any one wants an invite to the Bitcoin Business Alliance ( BBA ) PM me.

Its free and theirs only one requirement really, you contribute to the improvement of bitcoin.

In light of the pandemonium unleashed by the Bitcoin Foundation announcement, aren't you worried that 1) your name makes it sound like you speak for all bitcoin businesses when you clearly do not, and 2) you are excluding individual bitcoin users?

(This is only partly a troll.)

i don't speak for all bitcoin businesses Huh

I'm just saying some of us ~~chat~~ work together at the BBA Cheesy

seriously tho we are trying to attack the problem of scamming and fraud in bitcoin...

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Quote from: adamstgBit on September 30, 2012, 04:05:41 PM

If any one wants an invite to the Bitcoin Business Alliance ( BBA ) PM me.

Its free and theirs only one requirement really, you contribute to the improvement of bitcoin.

In light of the pandemonium unleashed by the Bitcoin Foundation announcement, aren't you worried that 1) your name makes it sound like you speak for all bitcoin businesses when you clearly do not, and 2) you are excluding individual bitcoin users?

(This is only partly a troll.)

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If any one wants an invite to the Bitcoin Business Alliance ( BBA ) PM me.

Its free and theirs only one requirement really, you contribute to the improvement of bitcoin.

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Quote from: CJGoodings on September 30, 2012, 02:35:00 PM

I nominate Eleuthria (btcguild) & Nachtwind (virtualminer.eu). Also i believe there should be some sort of legal representation within the council just incase things get hairy.

Katz is a no-brainer for legal.

I would further suggest:

Ver: = treasury (track record of due diligence wrt putting funds to work.)
BFL_Sonny: = Pubs (editorial experience with LFC.)
Wagner: = director of recreation.

I officially withdraw my suggestion of Gornick in this org.

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I nominate Eleuthria (btcguild) & Nachtwind (virtualminer.eu). Also i believe there should be some sort of legal representation within the council just incase things get hairy.

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Quote from: stochastic on September 30, 2012, 02:11:16 PM

Quote from: jimbobway on September 30, 2012, 11:51:40 AM

I nominate no one. I want an anonymous bitcoin council to be created using multisignature transactions. It will be sort of like kickstarter, but for the advancement of bitcoin.

Basically a site needs to be set up on Tor where people can look at proposals. Then, people can vote with their money. If enough money is there for a project idea then the transaction is executed and the funds delivered to the project. Note that no one needs to be involved with the distribution of money because it's based on multisignature transactions. That's the whole point of bitcoin.

This is not a bad idea but the only way to make it totally anonymous is to randomly select the members of a committee Maybe have a random lottery to select the anonymous people like the Greeks use to do (minus the anonymous part).

What would the power be of such a committee?

ADDITIONAL ON POWER:
Maybe the committee could be members of each industry union (consumers, speculators, exchanges, miners, and so forth) and the committee is randomly selected from those members. The committee could then use dues paid by the trade unions to direct public policy on bitcoin with the rest of the world and solve disputes between unions of the committee.

Anything involving a committee is centralization. We want a decentralized bitcoin foundation, a P2P Bitcoin Foundation. Write some P2P software that has rules built in that is capable of allocating money to top voted projects. Use smart contracts to enforce rules.

Basically this is a P2P Government, and the possibilities are endless.

stochastic

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Quote from: jimbobway on September 30, 2012, 11:51:40 AM

I nominate no one. I want an anonymous bitcoin council to be created using multisignature transactions. It will be sort of like kickstarter, but for the advancement of bitcoin.

Basically a site needs to be set up on Tor where people can look at proposals. Then, people can vote with their money. If enough money is there for a project idea then the transaction is executed and the funds delivered to the project. Note that no one needs to be involved with the distribution of money because it's based on multisignature transactions. That's the whole point of bitcoin.

This is not a bad idea but the only way to make it totally anonymous is to randomly select the members of a committee Maybe have a random lottery to select the anonymous people like the Greeks use to do (minus the anonymous part).

What would the power be of such a committee?

ADDITIONAL ON POWER:
Maybe the committee could be members of each industry union (consumers, speculators, exchanges, miners, and so forth) and the committee is randomly selected from those members. The committee could then use dues paid by the trade unions to direct public policy on bitcoin with the rest of the world and solve disputes between unions of the committee.

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Technology and Women. Amazing.

A Bitcoin Union makes more sense. Unions are founded in an attempt to keep corporate entities in check.
The Foundation appointed themselves, they were not nominated by the majority, even though they suggest some kind of political structure to their Foundation.
Instead, we got an announcement about an announcement, which is almost laughable.
Is there room for impeachment in the bylaws? If not, there should be. Anything short of total transparency on behalf of the Foundation would be grounds for it, IMHO.
Keeping the majority "out of the loop" breeds distrust. Distrust breeds fear. Fear, when instilled in the majority of a community, breeds a moral-driven will against tyranny. If Bitcoin should ever succeed, trust is essential. I for one doubt that the Foundation can be trusted.

Oh, and who would I appoint to this Union...? Anyone whom the majority of the community believes should be there.
The Bitcoin Foundation "tax" of 2.5 Bitcoins for annual membership seems unreasonable, because they do not reasonably represent the majority.

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I nominate The Real Plato!

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Quote from: mufa23 on September 30, 2012, 01:18:23 PM

Hold on! What part of "decentralized" do you guys not understand?!

It's centralized now, so we need to create more "centres" to get something as close to decentralization as possible.

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I'd fight Gandhi.

Hold on! What part of "decentralized" do you guys not understand?! You guys are retarded. You cannot run Bitcoin. You cannot control it.

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