Who’s more powerful? The players, Fans or Clubs - page 3.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 21, 2021, 05:06:49 PM

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Quote from: mindrust on April 21, 2021, 01:49:40 PM

They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?

I agree on this, a very balanced explanation. All of them are important and equal. And it's all going to end up that everyone should respect the importance of the clubs, players and the fans.

Very well said. Those 3 entities are vital for them to be successful in the sports industry. Without one of them, I don't think they will enjoy the same success they can get in this field. So yes, this should not be a question in the first place. Just look at the scenario if you will take out any of them, whether fans or clubs or players, there will be nothing to discuss about.

Without one of them, it would be incomplete.

It's like a combination of three of them and they won't work together if there's one lack in the group. There's no competition, everything is valuable as we look to them.

Sports is also a business model, all of them are playing their own parts to grow it and for them to continue in their passion.

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If it ain't the Clubs then it will be the Spades. Grin

Just kidding.

Seriously, it was always the fans who keeps the sports industry alive.
Our daily wage being saved just to watch their games thru live telecast or the expensive choice, live at the sidelines.
I guess you could say it with every sports there is. I don't know about golf though which is mostly played by the privilege.
In gambling industry, yes, huge slice of the pie comes from the fans also who put their money on the line.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on April 21, 2021, 11:33:53 PM

I think that all of them are essential in their respective roles, fans are the lifeblood but the players are the ones that are playing the game, the clubs manage the players and have the do the PR for the players for the fans. Choosing one of them is like choosing whether water, air or food is essential for a human to live.

I agree with you mate players, clubs and fans are the three essential to make a gambling business operated smoothly. Though the business can still run even the one was absent but can't deny that the missing of one aspect can contribute also to the slow grow of a business. But among the three I believe that the fans are the most important because I believe that the player was a also a fan of a gambling busines.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 21, 2021, 01:49:40 PM

They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?

I was gonna say the fans since they are the targeted market and is where the money is. but this makes sense too. it's more like give and take and everyone benefits from it. the fans get the entertainment they want, the players get to play the sports they want and get paid and the club gets the profit and the exposure they want.

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I agree the Fans are the most powerful of all without them the clubs and player wouldn't continue,
They support the club and the club supports the player so the player and club needs the fans to continue without the Fans both clubs and player would struggle to continue on the field.
That is why some of the players are so humble and generous to their fans.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on April 21, 2021, 11:41:28 PM

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The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.

So the fans are the key for the sports to become popular and without them, the sports will not get popularity and will not make money. Even if the fans do not have much money like the boss, the organization, the club owner, the fans can do many things to make the sports can not get what they want. So the club owner and the boss behind the organization need to understand that and they need to serve their fans.

Therefore, many big teams do everything for the sake of the fans, because like you said sports without fans will not make money.
Why did many big European teams toured Asia before the COVID-19 pandemic occurred, because they wanted to add fans from Asia.
Then many big European teams bought Asian players. Like Liverpool buying Takumi Minamino, it was all done to please the fans.
The more fans of a team, the richer the team will be, therefore I strongly agree that in the world of sports fans are the strongest.

That is right. The big teams know how they should treat their fans and do many things just for them. They want to give the best and besides that, if they can get more fans, their team will get big support and give more spirits to their team.

Maybe the club owner will invite their fan to meet and greet their team to make their fan happy to see their favourite player. That can lift their popularity among the other teams and they will get more supports.

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Quote from: michellee on April 21, 2021, 10:46:17 PM

Quote from: plr on April 21, 2021, 05:24:41 PM

The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.

So the fans are the key for the sports to become popular and without them, the sports will not get popularity and will not make money. Even if the fans do not have much money like the boss, the organization, the club owner, the fans can do many things to make the sports can not get what they want. So the club owner and the boss behind the organization need to understand that and they need to serve their fans.

Therefore, many big teams do everything for the sake of the fans, because like you said sports without fans will not make money.
Why did many big European teams toured Asia before the COVID-19 pandemic occurred, because they wanted to add fans from Asia.
Then many big European teams bought Asian players. Like Liverpool buying Takumi Minamino, it was all done to please the fans.
The more fans of a team, the richer the team will be, therefore I strongly agree that in the world of sports fans are the strongest.

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Quote from: dothebeats on April 20, 2021, 02:57:12 PM

The fans are the lifeblood of these sports, and without fans, there will be no revenue generated by the organization and the clubs to pay their players. Then again, we have a long history of just accepting things as they turn out and still consume entertainment even though we highly disagree on the changes at first. The recent changes, most especially in football nowadays, would just be accepted by people as time goes on once games are already in play. They can protest and expressed discontent all they like, but sooner or later they will still watch these games in order to support the teams and the players they once supported on another league.

I think that all of them are essential in their respective roles, fans are the lifeblood but the players are the ones that are playing the game, the clubs manage the players and have the do the PR for the players for the fans. Choosing one of them is like choosing whether water, air or food is essential for a human to live.

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Quote from: plr on April 21, 2021, 05:24:41 PM

The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.

So the fans are the key for the sports to become popular and without them, the sports will not get popularity and will not make money. Even if the fans do not have much money like the boss, the organization, the club owner, the fans can do many things to make the sports can not get what they want. So the club owner and the boss behind the organization need to understand that and they need to serve their fans.

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Not because fans are the source of income, it's now become more powerful than two. All of them play a big role. There would be no fans if the Clubs didn't invest in the part that they take care of the league players. While on players, if they are not doing what they are supposed to do, no fans will cheer on them and pays for a ticket or subscription or even supports a product advertised by them.

One good example is, remember the Brooklyn Nets having a hard time in NBA? I forgot what season it is but they have the worst record that season and only a few fans watching live on their games. Their ticket sales become poor that affect their revenue. They did some progress a season later, trading players, modifying their rosters, etc, and successfully back on track again and ticket sales bloom again.

Everything should be balanced. If one underperformed, it will destroy the cycle.

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The players and the clubs satisfied the demand of the fans they are the market and the true boss of any sports, without the fans there's no games, no sales, and the organization cannot keep up with running a team, no organizations can sustain without revenues, which they get from fans who are buying tickets and paying pay per view subscriptions, the players and the clubs exist because of the fans.

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I am sure that both of them have their right power to determine whether the club is there. There will be no club without players, no fans without players and clubs. And of course, there will be no players without any club want to request them.
So in this case, they are influencing each other. And one more is about the government and also sponsorship.
If we only focus on one thing here, we may not be able to keep stay little longer for the sports because there may be high significnance and not be able to drive the club more

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 21, 2021, 05:06:49 PM

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Quote from: mindrust on April 21, 2021, 01:49:40 PM

They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?

I agree on this, a very balanced explanation. All of them are important and equal. And it's all going to end up that everyone should respect the importance of the clubs, players and the fans.

Quote from: chaser15 on April 21, 2021, 04:55:36 PM

There should actually no debate on who's more powerful of the three. A large fan base is also because of the good work of clubs and players.

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I agree.

Very well said. Those 3 entities are vital for them to be successful in the sports industry. Without one of them, I don't think they will enjoy the same success they can get in this field. So yes, this should not be a question in the first place. Just look at the scenario if you will take out any of them, whether fans or clubs or players, there will be nothing to discuss about.

In a way I also agree.

This is the home base of many clubs and competitions. But, unfortunately today, due to the desire to win win and win, sport has changed in a way that gradually that base is no longer the one with "more power" (which is the point here in question).

Of course, if one of these bases fails, everything will no longer make sense. But, without failing this base, we enter a cycle in which only some win and others do not, because the game ends up being controlled by those who have more financial resources.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 21, 2021, 01:49:40 PM

They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.

Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?

I agree on this, a very balanced explanation. All of them are important and equal. And it's all going to end up that everyone should respect the importance of the clubs, players and the fans.

Quote from: chaser15 on April 21, 2021, 04:55:36 PM

There should actually no debate on who's more powerful of the three. A large fan base is also because of the good work of clubs and players.

+1

I agree.

Very well said. Those 3 entities are vital for them to be successful in the sports industry. Without one of them, I don't think they will enjoy the same success they can get in this field. So yes, this should not be a question in the first place. Just look at the scenario if you will take out any of them, whether fans or clubs or players, there will be nothing to discuss about.

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Quote from: just_Alice on April 21, 2021, 04:03:59 PM

Obviously, all of them are important, but I agree with you, that fans have the most influence.

But for that influence impact to be achieved, it's a big task and works for players and clubs.

There should actually no debate on who's more powerful of the three. A large fan base is also because of the good work of clubs and players.

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Obviously, all of them are important, but I agree with you, that fans have the most influence. Nowadays, when it comes to any product or service and, basically, anything that brings profit the most important thing and the first thing that businessmen analyze is market demand, which is determined solely by the consumers.
Extrapolating this on sports business would lead to the conclusion, that it's indeed fans that hold all the power.

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Quote from: Stevcummings on April 20, 2021, 02:45:18 PM

WHO IS MORE POWERFUL Huh

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1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..

I think this is highly dependent on the sport, but with recent events it would seem that you are referring to the European Super League. The fans seem to be the real winners in this situation and they caused quite an uproar from the moment it was announced, this shows that even the billionaire overseas owners would cower when confronted with the real anger shown towards them. Now if you were to look at a sport like the NBA, it is much more rigged in favor of the "clubs" involved, because (similar to the proposed ESL) it has a bunch of teams that will always be in the league and there is no room for new entrants. Personally, for it to be a real club sport there should be the possibility of moving even an amateur team up through the ranks and be able to win against the biggest champions out there. Otherwise it is too rigged and the Champions just end up taking ever large chunks of the generated revenue until the other teams cannot compete effectively - similar to a oligarchy.

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 20, 2021, 04:59:37 PM

Fans are the main reason why Clubs are getting profits.

But for that to profit, Clubs should manage well their players and do their best to improve their skills as fans won't patronize something without a reason.

Overall, all are having a key role. If clubs or players failed to meet the fans' expectations, then don't expect something good about it.

Fans had not made as much money for the club since Covid pandemic begins and the teams have been struggling, Madrid had a loss of over $400 million as the highest earner in European football. Premier league and UEFA won the war not the fan and I consider UEFA especially selfish. They only consider losing the highest team earners to the super league without any benefit from it, they went to the extent of going after players in those clubs. Those sanctions are too much for the offence.

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Quote from: MAAManda on April 21, 2021, 01:59:41 PM

Basically, these three things (players, fans and clubs) are interconnected and have their own relationship.

However, in reality we can see that there are players who dominate the club and there are also clubs that dominate the players.

For example, Messi who dominates the Barcelona and Florentino Perez (Real Madrid) who dominates the players.

They are really connected to each other and this wont really exist if one part would really be absent or doesnt exist.Even though majority been talking here about
fans to be the most powerful but i do bit agree that they do have mutual benefits to each other or something that they could rely on.
They wont really be making out some revenue if one of those factors or components doesnt exist.

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Of course fans are the most important link in the chain: without fans onboard, no money for the system!
The Romans understood that very well: panem et circences or bread and circuses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
To put it simply, never go against your people and always entertain them: that is what it takes to be in charge.

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