Topic: Who’s more powerful? The players, Fans or Clubs - page 4. (Read 858 times)
I think supporters play an important and very strong role because the more supporters the more they buy match tickets, and the bigger the income, the more games, so this can be a weapon or a mainstay for the life of a club.
I'm still of the opinion that fans are the most important of them all. Cutting the clubs off, I can tell you there is still another alternative which is the street football. You don't need clubs for that, just a bunch of street footballers pick themselves as they please each time they meet on a pitch and train together. Meanwhile, there are still those that make some income of it as in, illegal gambling, staking on which side you consider as the better side and the game goes on. It happens and I've watched it a lot in my locality. In this instance, the clubs doesn't matter, even at that, competitions could be organised and the players on the pitch make money out of it and they are still not a club or a team except that, they are the team of the moment.
So, the fans are the bases of everything about most sports. They are the 9nce providing the funds through participation in various activities the sporting life offers and they are the once being entertained. I won't totally ignore the other part of the relationship but then, the fans is the most vital. Being at the beginning and the end.
So, the fans are the bases of everything about most sports. They are the 9nce providing the funds through participation in various activities the sporting life offers and they are the once being entertained. I won't totally ignore the other part of the relationship but then, the fans is the most vital. Being at the beginning and the end.
Basically, these three things (players, fans and clubs) are interconnected and have their own relationship.
However, in reality we can see that there are players who dominate the club and there are also clubs that dominate the players.
For example, Messi who dominates the Barcelona and Florentino Perez (Real Madrid) who dominates the players.
However, in reality we can see that there are players who dominate the club and there are also clubs that dominate the players.
For example, Messi who dominates the Barcelona and Florentino Perez (Real Madrid) who dominates the players.
They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.
Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
Exactly, it is the right explanation. All are equal and it can be discussed by layer. If you think those are three layer individually then you can't think it without one layer. It will be incomplete totally. All are related with each other which make it complete. Fans will be more prioritized here over other. Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
They are all equals. Why? Because when you remove one of them, the other two don't mean shit.
Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
Remove the club, only the players and the fans left. Without a club they are nothing.
Remove the players, you can't have a game without the players. You have nothing.
Remove the fans, who's going to watch your players and support your club?
I agree with the OP and the others who commented that fans are the heart of sport teams. Yes, players and managers bring the quality of the game. Still, none of the clubs would exist if their passionate fans weren't giving them constant support, going to their games, buying their merch. The reality is that without demand, there is no product. In my opinion, in sport that demand is represented by the fans' affection towards clubs and players. 
no need to argue at length, fans are the most important thing in sport teams....a sponsor who gives a lot of money to the team will first look at the reputation and number of fans of the club, if their fans are few then sponsoring the team is really useless. personally if i have a brand that I want to market, of course i will choose the English league team to sponsor such as Liverpool, Man utd or Man City which already has millions of fans in various parts of the world, so my product is quickly popular and my investment as a sponsor is effective.
Reality is that Clubs gave too much money to players and made them disrespectful to their managers.
End result, more debt and lacklustre..
It is a capitalistic approach and there are clubs that are bidding for the same player and if they want to maintain the fans they need to spend money for the best players and the best always attracts a lot of money as more clubs will be eyeing for their service. It is not a one way game, the team needs to win and they need to have a balance and the fans are the most powerful as they need to attract them for the revenue . End result, more debt and lacklustre..
players because players make huge money but money is not the only measurement of power but skills also . players have a skill in the sport they play .
fans is only consist of one people if you seperate it and its income is not big than what a single player can make and a fan is a normal type of person .
they dont have the skill that a real player had , same applies in the club .
fans is only consist of one people if you seperate it and its income is not big than what a single player can make and a fan is a normal type of person .
they dont have the skill that a real player had , same applies in the club .
WHO IS MORE POWERFUL 
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1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
You nailed it on the correct order. The most powerful are the clubs, as they own the money which is used to pay players, which comes from sponsors and fans purchases at official stores and monthly payments to have benefits at club's locations and use their services. Clubs control everything.?1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
In second you have the players, who will give the club strength and popularity. Players are like investment for the clubs: all the money paid in wages must return somehow to the clubs. Good players generate better sponsorship and incentive fans to spend more money on the industry.
In third are the fans, who actually don't own any power... They don't have any influence on the club's strategies, management, hires... Fans' role is to spend money maintaining the club working smoothly and cheer during the matches.
It depends on what's the structure of the club. If they are just like a commercial corporation with shareholders and stuff, fans are just their customers. Yes, fans can affect decision to a certain extent, but it will be at the mercy of the directors. It's like yelling at Apple Inc. to create a triangle-shaped iPhone. Even if lots of customers want it, they may not agree with the plan.
Fans, just like customers, may have the last say actually. If Apple prefers to make a square smart phone and no single customer buys it, Apple will create a triangle phone. This is all ridiculous of course but this is to show how much customers matter.
If a club losses the support of fans, it won't attract audience, viewers, attendance, etc. That means it is losing its business.
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Players are equal to assets. The management will hold it as long as they make more money.
Based on a contract which the player will have to agree. Both the management and the player make money.
WHO IS MORE POWERFUL ?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.
It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.
?1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.
It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.
The fans are the market of any sports, the clubs or organizations can only exist because of the fans, they are the lifeline and blood of the sports, the sports cannot exist in charity, the fans are one paying tickets, pay the subscriptions and patronize products that are promoted by the team.
Teams and organizations are dedicated to giving the fans what they want to see, and that is excitement and fun, if they cannot give it to the fans the sports team and the organization will cease to exist.
It depends on what's the structure of the club. If they are just like a commercial corporation with shareholders and stuff, fans are just their customers. Yes, fans can affect decision to a certain extent, but it will be at the mercy of the directors. It's like yelling at Apple Inc. to create a triangle-shaped iPhone. Even if lots of customers want it, they may not agree with the plan.
However, if the club has a more socialistic structure, such as FC Barcelona, the fans have more say in the club's policy.
Players are equal to assets. The management will hold it as long as they make more money.
However, if the club has a more socialistic structure, such as FC Barcelona, the fans have more say in the club's policy.
Players are equal to assets. The management will hold it as long as they make more money.
This recent European Super League affair has shown the power the fans have. Undoubtably they are they most powerful as they're the ones that ultimately fund everything (merchandise, tickets, TV subscriptions, viewership etc.).
The difficulty for fans has always been grouping together to get a consistent opinion and therefore force the hand.
The ESL has proved if they do all gang up, no one can go against them. But on issues like VAR the consensus is too scattered so the powers that be have their way.
The difficulty for fans has always been grouping together to get a consistent opinion and therefore force the hand.
The ESL has proved if they do all gang up, no one can go against them. But on issues like VAR the consensus is too scattered so the powers that be have their way.
WHO IS MORE POWERFUL ?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
?1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
Not sure where this discussion is going towards and also don't understand what this discussion will bring up! I mean the bottom line of this discussion is not clear!
In a sports ecosystem, all 3 parties are mandatory. Just like the stock market where only buyers can't survive without sellers and vice versa. Similar in the sports industry, the club, footballers and the fans create an ecosystem for the sports business which is a multi billion dollar industry. If one moves out, the ecosystem will collapse!
I think 3. The Fans are most important for a team. Without them a football club has nothing. Imagine an empty stadium before the corona pandemic. If all fans would boycott a trainer or a certain player than I am sure that he would be fired or transfered. Without real fans who watch every game, buy club merch and support their team no matter what, it would be very difficult for a team to exist. The best example of the power of fans is the European super league, after not even a week it ended because of fan boycott.
The fans. Professional football is more entertainment than sport. In lower leagues or college football might be considered a sport. But professional football exists to entertain its fans. Numerous matches, events were canceled during the pandemic simply because their fans were not able to come to watch.
The more powerful is the fan because, without the fan, the players and the clubs is nothing. We know that the fan give a big portion in the sports game and with the fan, the sports game can become bigger and become popular. The bigger the fan, the popular the sports is. So if the fan leaves them, they will not get anything. The fan will choose the players they want, and they will support that player to give the best performance.
WHO IS MORE POWERFUL ?
1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
The Clubs keep investing in players who otherwise might just be talented, skillful, unemployed and poor individuals.
They help reduce the rate of crime and Governments are happy that clubs exist..
The players bring entertainment and fulfilment to fans and supporters who otherwise might be depressed and may likely commit suicide..
Through betting, fans and supporters make money off the hard work of footballers...
The fans patronise the games and pay money for their source of entertainment. Without the fans, clubs will have less motivation to invest in the players and players are likely to suffer for that..
So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.
It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.
Players age and they’re always replaced but the loyalty of the fans keep the club alive.
SUPPORTERS HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS NONSENSE which will deprive poor people the opportunity to make ends meet.
Reality is that Clubs gave too much money to players and made them disrespectful to their managers.
End result, more debt and lacklustre..
?1. The Clubs
2. The Players
3. The Fans..
The Clubs keep investing in players who otherwise might just be talented, skillful, unemployed and poor individuals.
They help reduce the rate of crime and Governments are happy that clubs exist..
The players bring entertainment and fulfilment to fans and supporters who otherwise might be depressed and may likely commit suicide..
Through betting, fans and supporters make money off the hard work of footballers...
The fans patronise the games and pay money for their source of entertainment. Without the fans, clubs will have less motivation to invest in the players and players are likely to suffer for that..
So in effect, fans are the real owners of clubs and players.
It is their hard earned money that keeps the game running.
Players age and they’re always replaced but the loyalty of the fans keep the club alive.
SUPPORTERS HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS NONSENSE which will deprive poor people the opportunity to make ends meet.
Reality is that Clubs gave too much money to players and made them disrespectful to their managers.
End result, more debt and lacklustre..
In my opinion, the most important thing in any project is the organizer (coordinator), that is, the clubs.
Players are wonderful and talented people, but they need to be organized so that they can develop and use their natural abilities. The fans are the backbone of the whole system. However, people rarely know what they really want.
Take the iPhone, for example. Was the iPhone invented by consumers?
No, the iPhone was invented by brilliant visionary techies led by Steve Jobs.
Also in this situation. Clubs organize the whole process and actually divide people into two groups - players and fans.
For me it's the Fans , because They are the one who's making the Team more popular and they are responsible for the Bets that pushes the team to be more in demand and actively in playing for cause.
For me, players are the most powerful among the three, why? It is very simple. Clubs can't be established or built if they don’t have the players who would commit themselves to become the best which will become entertaining to the fans due to their great results.
But the players will be nothing if there are no Fans that following and supporting them. 
For me, players are the most powerful among the three, why? It is very simple. Clubs can't be established or built if they don’t have the players who would commit themselves to become the best which will become entertaining to the fans due to their great results.
Fans will never be there and become amazed and support the players if players are lame and mediocre. Being a great play takes a lot of effort, money, sweat, tears, rejections, and blood. And those sacrifices have to be recognized and recognized. But the three groups are very much important to keep the sport running. One of them being missed, the league will shut down for sure. That’s for sure I guess.
Fans will never be there and become amazed and support the players if players are lame and mediocre. Being a great play takes a lot of effort, money, sweat, tears, rejections, and blood. And those sacrifices have to be recognized and recognized. But the three groups are very much important to keep the sport running. One of them being missed, the league will shut down for sure. That’s for sure I guess.
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