Topic: Why are people scared of taxes? - page 43. (Read 31542 times)

not scared of them.. just despise them!

Then another (probably several) will put them down. I also note that you didn't include "well-funded".... Hard to get voluntary funding when you're the biggest asshole on the block.

It's also worth noting that someone said not so long ago "The Fed can and does tax you far more than the IRS ever will". Bitcoin can help to solve that particular problem at least.

By the way, anarchy does not mean no rules, just no rulers. Yes, it's idealistic, but it would hypothetically look like a societal version of the way Bitcoin works: fundamental rules but not central authority, just peer-to-peer networking. One big thing that might scare me a bit about anarchy is what could happen afterwards. If one well-armed, well-disciplined militia decides it's bored with the non-aggression principle, and wants to become the new government...

You people are so overly dramatic about this. It's like watching a ham-fisted showing of Hamlet.

Yes, taxes are grandly misappropriated.
Yes, privatized services could be better.

No, your life would not be better without taxes.
No, you would not be happier, unless you like dystopian futures.

Taxes pay for the infrastructure you use daily, and without which, you would not be able to do much at all. Who would fund the roads if there were no taxable income? I hardly think paying a toll to leave my driveway is a viable option. Government is often irritating and frequently overbearing, but without it, we would lose so much. All of you people that advocate anarchy should stop being such dewy-eyed idealists and realize that a country without rules is not a country for long.

First off, without taxes, who would pay for infrastructure? I don't think anyone would voluntarily fund it. Next off, how would the government even manage to exist? Making the positions in government unpaid, volunteer positions would just make it more exclusive for the rich, who would be the only people who could afford to hold such a position. Then you have the problem of lack of regulation. What's to stop a company from making poisonous products and selling them for a short period before booking it with the profits? What's to stop me from robbing your house? No money means no police, no firemen, no ambulances, no sort of government subsidized public-service sector what-so-ever. 

For the most part, you guys have the right idea. If the tax money were spent appropriately on useful purposes, it would be no burden at all letting go of that money. I sigh when I see the amount I pay, knowing that almost all of it will go to fund some silly little project or be burned in the middle east, but I know that some tiny fraction of it will be used in a legitimate project to benefit myself and my community, and I try to take a little comfort in that.

But really, what's the good of money, anyways. I survive, and I just don't worry. Really, the amount of stress that comes from worrying about your money and getting angry will take far more from you than taxes ever will. Just chill out, have a beer, and be happy with what you've got.

And it is precisely this corruption and abuse that pushes me more and more toward anarcho-voluntarist thinking.

Taxes are a necessary evil to provide your country with a certain standard of living. so I am fine with paying my taxes for this however what I am not fine with is being abused. Governments, particularly the public service, IMHO attract the most incompetent fuckwits on the face of the earth and place them in the key policy positions. They then make shit house decisions and waste large chunks of tax payer dollars in short sighted programs rather than 10~30 year plans that strengthen the backbone of the country.

If governments planned for more than the next election, then the public service that executes these masters wishes might be able to plan better. Then they could pay people on performance (e.g. sack the fuckwits and provide comparable pay as the private sector for performance) rather than what we have now which is "pay penuts get monkeys".

P.S. I am not a public servant

As has been pointed out, taxes are violent. They're always backed up by the threat of violence from the state.

And democracy is itself founded on a logical fallacy: The idea that if a lot of people agree on something, it must be right.

So supporting taxation is, essentially, the idea that if a lot of people think it's OK, you can commit violence on people, even those that disagree.

Tell me, if slavery were democratically approved, would you support it? Even if you were part of the minority chosen?

I believe you, and from this I ascertain that nothing much really changed in 1989.

I had more about abusing data like this but just suffice to say this is a very poor argument. Once data abuse is treated like animal abuse our society will be getting somewhere. At that point it may even be possible for a government to spend tax money wisely rather than on wars and manipulating the economy.

In Czech Republic...

i dont like paying taxes and if i can, i am buying everything without receipe and without tax..

if i pay taxes, i wont get good quality services - i will get a lot of uneffective services which i dont need
if i pay money for state retirement - i will get approx 4times less then i get if i save these money by myself
if i pay state "mediacare" many times i must pay a lot of money..

i would like to decide what i want - then i will pay these services..

in Czech R.. you will state takes about 44% of your earnings (social, medical, and taxes.. ) i hate it...

You pay money into SSI and Medicare. Good luck getting a retirement out of them.

If people like Romney, percentage wise, pay three times less than me - what's so great about them?

Personally I don't see much out of them. I just pay them.

I pay for local schools via real estate tax.
I pay for highways via tolls and gas tax.
I pay for whatever via sales tax.

I pay for water and sewage via monthly bills.
I pay for garbage collection via monthly bills.

I pay for my retirement via SSI and Medicare.

If your taxes are a "small fee" then you're either doing it wrong or doing it very, very right.

Oh I didn't vote for this band of thugs commonly referred to as government either, I didn't vote at all, does that mean that forcing me to pay taxes is wrong?

Btw do you know what happens if you don't "pay taxes"? If you think I can't call it robbery and if you think it's not a violent act just because people choose to rather pay up when demanded rather than refusing then I suggest you do a test, stop paying and then see what happens. I wonder if you'll still say it's not violent or not a robbery.


I did refute your correlation. STEALING IS WRONG, even if it does a some good as illustrated with my example, PERIOD.

Yes, because for one thing the village probably hasn't elected the "band of thieves" democratically and "robbing" is per definition violent, which collecting taxes usually is not. I get your point but the comparison is overly-dramatic.

Please refute one of the two correlations at the beginning of my last post.

So you disagree with this?:

My local gov can't properly allocate water, provide adequate garbage disposal nor supply electricity at the most competitive rate.

Like hell am I going to be content with paying taxes when a market of competing services can do better.

So you disagree with this?:

I would be happy to pay taxes... voluntarily. Otherwise it's a robbery.

...if they are spend on useful things only...

Robbery - the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force

Hey bro I'm sure there are a couple countries in Africa with no taxation. Have fun, you won't be missed.