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Oh my god, shame on me  Cool, im such a bad person  Kiss..., you are naive, belive it or not, the people like me are the majority of the of the bitcoin owners... There might not hold the majority of the coins, cause they are not early adopters but they surrely make the majority of the people who INVESTED in bitcoin. Beside i dont think i get rich overnight, i bought somewhere in the begging of the year, and the more i read about bitcoin, the more im getting conviced that it wont succed in the longer or even shorter run:-(. And people like you are one of the reasons... i gave a STRONG argument, why dont you argue its false? I would like to buy additional bitcoins, even have the money ready, but this particular argument is a one big STOP/HOLD sign for me. So PLEASE someone, argue this argument and disaprove it... (if you can, and no, this argument in its "whole depth" hasnt been adressed anywhere yet).
BTW you should never "emotionally" stick to your investments, thats just stupid because it blinds your judgement.

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Oh my god, shame on me  Cool, im such a bad person  Kiss..., you are naive, belive it or not, the people like me are the majority of the of the bitcoin owners... There might not hold the majority of the coins, cause they are not early adopters but they surrely make the majority of the people who INVESTED in bitcoin. Beside i dont think i get rich overnight, i bought somewhere in the begging of the year, and the more i read about bitcoin, the more im getting conviced that it wont succed in the longer or even shorter run:-(. And people like you are one of the reasons... i gave a STRONG argument, why dont you argue its false? I would like to buy additional bitcoins, even have the money ready, but this particular argument is a one big STOP/HOLD sign for me. So PLEASE someone, argue this argument and disaprove it... (if you can, and no, this argument in its "whole depth" hasnt been adressed anywhere yet).
BTW you should never "emotionally" stick to your investments, thats just stupid because it blinds your judgement.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying anything like you are a bad or a stupid person. Smiley I'm just saying if we all just buy and hold and do nothing else, bitcoin has no chance to succeed.

As for your concern, here's my two cents. If you buy bitcoin is for double or triple your fiat in the end, then yes all your concern is valid. One of The biggest risks is certainly the governments. If they united to ban bitcoin, it's possible for bitcoin to be in underground forever and maybe never worth more than 10 dollar again.

The true believers, however, think bitcoin is the future of money and they don't believe the government and fiats anymore. Maybe you are in a country where you have 100% trust on your government and fiat. However, in many countries, fiat is not so safe at all. As we know, US and China all print a lot of fiat every year, and people's life saving all significantly reduce due to inflation. Some people are in a worse condition, they don't believe their government anymore cause they will go bankrupt or there may be some kind of revolution. What can they do? Buy US dollars or gold? It's really risky to keep save and avoid confiscating. Bitcoin becomes the god giving for them.

So the short answer is that if you trust more on governments and fiat, go for the traditional investing cause bitcoin is too risky. If you don't trust the government and fiat 100%, you put some part of your wealth ino bitcoin, cause bitcoin is created to hedge the risk of fiat failure, huge inflation or political disasters, not to be rich with no efforts.

Thanks for your kind reminding about not to be emotional on ones investment. That's a great advice and I agree with it completely. However, being emotional means you try to find all reasons to defend your opinion but do nothing really help. In my case, I just want to clarify that bitcoin could be an ideal store of value in the near future and for it become true, all true believers should contribute to this project. Yes, I think bitcoin as a project more than a pure investment. More we can do for it, more chance it will succeed.

Think for a second, all people in the world have a equally fair way to store their wealth safely in bitcoin, carry it everywhere freely, and never being afraid of huge inflation, disaster, war, government bankruptcy, financial crisis. Isn't it a brighter future?
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Oh my god, shame on me  Cool, im such a bad person  Kiss..., you are naive, belive it or not, the people like me are the majority of the of the bitcoin owners... There might not hold the majority of the coins, cause they are not early adopters but they surrely make the majority of the people who INVESTED in bitcoin. Beside i dont think i get rich overnight, i bought somewhere in the begging of the year, and the more i read about bitcoin, the more im getting conviced that it wont succed in the longer or even shorter run:-(. And people like you are one of the reasons... i gave a STRONG argument, why dont you argue its false? I would like to buy additional bitcoins, even have the money ready, but this particular argument is a one big STOP/HOLD sign for me. So PLEASE someone, argue this argument and disaprove it... (if you can, and no, this argument in its "whole depth" hasnt been adressed anywhere yet).
BTW you should never "emotionally" stick to your investments, thats just stupid because it blinds your judgement.
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In one case bitcoin is doomed. If Everyone is like the above post author, who is non believer but bought some BTC, do nothing to promote it and just want someday it will worth millions. They will abandon the ship as soon as some governments ban the bitcoin. Do you think there's any reason for these kind of speculators to be rich overnight?

Fortunately, there's enough true believers there to work every day to bring more features and more applications. Moreover, they are advocating and explaining so more people could have a better understanding.
Bitcoin can only succeed with these people.
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BITCOIN can be practically destroeyd if several governments would come out at the exact same moment (or even made some paper deal(signed document)) and say we ban bitcoin, or we ban merchants from accepting bitcoin payements or we will HEAVY tax the merchants that accept bitcoin etc....

I REALLY didnt saw this issue discussed thorougly. It was brought up only a little, mildly. It seems like people really dont get it. Yeah, if gov. does so, the bitcoin will survive, but what will be the price...Huh Today price is i think largely driven be speculation of higher future price, of much greater acceptence in future... What will happen to the price, when several goverments will come out coordinately and clearly, decisively and long-termly will tell the world their final statement on bitcoin - (brutal tax or prohibition of acceptence). If they make it clear and loud than majority of people will accept that bitcoin is finished. And no... nobody will really fight on the streets or protest agains bitcoin BAN, cause nobody (majority of society) doesnt really care about it (or even know about it)... Also noone will violate the gov BAN (when there was prohitibition on alcohol in USA in 1930 or the current war on drugs, it really didnt stop the people from using these substances, but thats just because they give something to you, they make you "feel good", simple holding of bitcoin doesnt make feel good (if yes, you are weird :-) ), so nobody will break the BAN).

What then... the price will crash to somewhere almost worth nothing, and stay there forever (if the ban is clear, loud, decisive, documents are signed and its accepted internationally within many states, the bitcoin is DEAD and the ONLY thing that could ressurect is the change of the BAN from gov.)
I own little bitcoin and im not a beliver really but im also not againts bitcoin... I would like to see bitcoin get to 1 000 000 $ because i might get rich :-) . But dont you get it people how fragile it is and how easily it can be destroyed...? What would be the reason for holding bitcoin if you would be certain that for gov. its a dead project and NO (!) merchant in their right mind will EVER again accept bitcoin?? Sure, it might be and "underground" internet currency but that would be used only by a few people and the price would be really low...

And belive me, the recent thing with some "pseudo" ban on bitcoin from China would be NOTHING compared with the decisive paper, signed agreement amongs few important states... And even the china weird pseudo ban slashed bitcoin to somewhere around 380 dolars :-)...
And also, belive me i really dont think that any GOVERMENT gave bitcoin a real thorough think and consideration YET, if bitcoin starts to threaten some national currencies, you will see the circus, most gov i think dont take bitcoin too seriously stil, when they will, prepare for a quick ban by a simple hand sign of some paper document, voila, DONE.

The goverments can print their own money (Well ok, the central banks) and THEY WILL NEVER give this sweat, sweet, SWEET advantage away.

So whats your take on this, why do you think gov wouldnt act in the future in the most probable way that i just drawed?
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1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY

Does this even require any explaining? Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.

Let's all open up our history books and see when the 99% won against the 1%? Almost never, and even when they did “win” it was basically the 1% handing off power to another form, and still running it behind the scenes just to appease the people.

Even if they allowed Bitcoin to become successful, they will regulate it so heavily, that it will pretty  much lose any “benefits” that it had, (Europe is preparing to tax and regulate Bitcoin) and pretty much becomes centralized and just like anything else.

The current system will stay in power with centralized control, hence why they will create their own digital fiat currencies replacing their paper, to even gain more control.

regulated == doomed? Many people think otherwise. It's not possible for bitcoin to go mainstream without being regulated.

Moreover, even bitcoin is regulated, you still have much more freedom than fiat or gold. You can carry it everywhere without worrying about being confiscated. Try that with a box of cashes or gold. You will never need to worry about your account is frozen, and when you receive payment you don't need to worry about its fake or it's from an frozen/empty account. You also don't need to worry someone will keep printing a lot of money to dilute your holding. Even if bitcoin becomes more centralized than now, these features will not be changed. Please tell me how these benefits are lost after regulation?


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2. CENTRALIZED MAIN DEVELOPMENT

Basically the “official” releases come from the Bitcoin Foundation. The development is pretty much centralized. Even if people fix everything wrong with Bitcoin, the foundation makes the final decision on what to include in it's next version on it's own priorities. This is basically all run by “Gavin” who caused Satoshi to disappear after he decided to meet with the CIA. The same guy who has not addressed any of the issues going to be discussed below for the whole time he has been in control. Whether by accident or on purpose is not the point. The point is the main trusted Bitcoin client is controlled by one entity, and everything they say, do, or don't do goes.
Do you understand open source? The source code is open, so even it's controlled by 'Gavin', everyone can understand what the code does. Moreover, everyone is free to implement its own version as long as it follows the same protocol. The trust is because of the transparency, not blind trust on someone or some organizations/governments.
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3. FLAWED ARCHITECTURE

Size

11 GB today.
100 GB 1.5 years from now
1 TB 3 years from now
10 TB 4.5 years from now
100 TB 6 years from now
1 PB 7.5 years from now
10 PB 9 years from now
100 PB 10.5 years from now

You think average people will store a 100TB worth of data? No. The solution cut the blockchain into pieces and store the whole blockchain only on specialized nodes, kind of defeats the purpose of decentralized than doesn’t it?

How did you get those data? Completely made up or from some source? It's not a complex problem and we can get the correct value by doing some simple math:

There're around 150 blocks generated a day, and the block size is 1MB, then the block size increases 150MB per day. After 10.5 years, its 10.5 * 365  * 150 = 574 TB. How did you get 100 PB, which is almost 1000 times larger? Moreover, apparently with the block size limit, the block chain size increases linearly, and why you get a exponentially increase?

The block size limit itself may cause some issues, and you pointed out below, but here you have a self-contradiction that assume the block size increases exponentially, which is certainly either lack of analysis or just want to get any data support your argument, no matter it's true or made up.

Some may argue 574 TB is already huge for average users. Yes, it is huge for average users(1) with current disk size (2) and network speed(3). Then 1) average user does not need to download the whole block chain to use bitcoin. 2) imagine how large is the hard disk and how fast the network speed  10 years before, and then imagine how they will be after 10 years? Moreover, for professional users and organizations, download 574 TB and you will have a copy of the bank for all world, isn't it really cool?



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Double Spends

Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this.

Nobody is going to double spend on a cup of coffee, nobody is going to commit fraud for small amounts, well at least not in person, but they will for big ticket items.

Apparently you can accept 0 confirmation for a cup of coffee, but at least 6 confirmation or more for big ticket items. It's already a common sense and I really don't know why you put this issue here?

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Slow Speed

Waiting for a transaction to fully confirm, is not feasible for day to day transactions. Yes let's hear the Credit Cards take 180 day confirms. One no they don't they confirm instantly, the money is just on hold for 90-180 days if the merchant sells a crappy product and refuses to honor warranty or remedy the issue. If it's fraud, say someone uses someone else card to buy something, the money does not come out of the merchants account, the credit card company takes the hit. Secondly, most important the buyer pays and gets his goods immediately, unlike Bitcoin where they have to wait for a few confirmations to be sure.

As you said, no one will double spend on a cup of coffee, so it's pretty feasible for small merchants to accept 0 confirmation policy. For large transactions, do you really think it is too slow to wait 1 hour to confirm 1M dollars of value be transferred from USA to Australia?

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Un-Scalable

Bitcoin can barley handle a few hundred thousand transactions a day, what happens if the transactions grow to 10 Million, 50 Million, 100 Million which are all still relativity small transaction numbers compared to the 6 Billion people in the world. It simply can't handle it.

This is valid concern due to the current block size limit. However, let's open our mind and don't think on-chain payment is the only way to pay. Some third party bitcoin 'banks' will certainly emerge and people can open accounts and put a small amount of bitcoin in it. Then they can do daily small transactions instantly and the transactions are off-chain. Yes, I know the Inputs.IO fraud but it does not mean Inputs.IO itself is not a good idea.

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51% Attacks

51% attacks which don't have to be 51% of the network, as they can do it with far less hashpower, such as ghash.io 29% the two biggest pools combined make up over 51% of the network and can literally destroy Bitcoin at any second. It doesn't even need to be the pool operators, it can be hackers who take over the pools.

How and why?

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Unstable Exchange Rate

It can never be used as a sole currency to replace all other fiat currencies. Why? Because it's price is unstable. It must always rely on another fiat currency to have any sort of monetary use, no merchant is going to transact when the price of the currency fluctuates 50-200% a day. The only way to stop this is to have actual control of the currency and adjust creation.

Is gold price also not stable? It increased from $700 to $2000 in just one year. Is it surprise for bitcoin to be volatile in its early stage?

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4. NO BENEFIT OVER FIAT

With everything mentioned above it shows that Bitcoin has no real advantage over fiat for 99% of the people in the world. You can't pay your bills or general living expenses in it, can't buy much with it. It's slow, not consumer friendly, as once a payment is sent there is no charge back method. Guess what 90% of the world are consumers not merchants. If Bitcoin doesn't appeal to the regular consumer who buys goods from merchants it will never succeed. Even if it succeeds it's doomed by it's very architecture which can't handle the success.

The only use it has, is sending small internationally pretty quickly, which then again gets converted to fiat for people to actually use. What market is there for small international payments 5-10% of the world?

No entity would trust high sums of money to be transferred with Bitcoin with all of it's flaws. Want to know how right I am and how wrong you are? Bitcoin has about 3 million users in a 5 year period. Facebook in that same time had what? 600M-1 Billion users.

Not to mention by the time, I have opened 10 accounts just to buy and convert Bitcoin, I could have swiped my credit/debit card 1000 times.


You seems missed the main benefits of bitcoin. 1) No one can keep printing money so there's no worry for inflation. 2) No one can confiscated your account. 3) No one can stop you from carrying bitcoin from one place to another place. 4) No one can forbid you to pay a certain address.

You can try to provide a facebook like service and ask people to pay for sending messages. Then how many accounts you will have after 3 or 5 years, if its still alive. This comparison is totally nonsense and even worse than comparing orange and apple. At lease orange and apple are both fruits, right?


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5. CONCLUSION

Even if Bitcoin or another crypto currency fixes all of these issues, they are still doomed to fail because of reason #1.

With zero advantages and quite a few disadvantages over fiat, centralized incompetent development, and inhert flaws Bitcoin is doomed. So next time you get excited about Bitcoin growing, and can't wait for it's mass adaption, just know it's own growth is another nail in it's coffin. Bitcoin is digging it's own grave.


Before all the geniuses on this forum come and give your wonderful flawed opinions, and say how wonderful it is, and it's going places, and I am wrong, and Gavin will fix everything, and Bitcoin will take over the world as a currency and payment system. Please refer below to get a reality check:

Bitcoin users in 5 years: 3 Million

Remember none of the issues existed in the previous 4 years, so is it logical to say 'look there're only 3M people after 5 years, so it proves that my reasoning is correct. People just don't want to buy it because of the reasons I listed although none of them make senses then.  Can I ask how many people know of bitcoin 1 year ago?








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legendary
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Schiff made that same AppleCoin point too, only more eloquently I think.

What if some organization, say some bank in China, sees the advantages of Bitcoin and makes their own. It's a 1:1 copy of BTC, only they premine it, and also declare that 1 coin is worth 1ounce of gold.

Why would anyone still mine Bitcoin? You could switch your miners to mine this new coin, and boom, you're getting free gold. Then the bank can work in coordination with governments, rich folks, and really just the 1%. The people won't know the difference. To them the utility of using a Cryptocoin is the same whether it's Bitcoin, some AltCoin, or a Chinese BitGoldCoin.

But wait, there's more. Sure you could use BTC. But then good luck securing your coins. That's already a problem. Storage solutions at the moment are just not good. I've personally lost 1BTC that way back in the day. Many people have lost much more. But no need to worry about it with the Chinese BitGoldCoin. It's already being issued by a bank, so they'll also guarantee you safe storage at their servers. It's already a bank. And since it's centralized, there's no need for the community to run full nodes.

It just paints a picture of a theoretical 1%-backed CryptoCoin to do a hell of a lot better with the general public than Bitcoin can do.

That is why we need to develop a viable digital currency. With a definable unit and a elastic supply. We need to make a coin with a standard, some people think of the standard as the backing of the currency, but it is not the convertibility to gold it is the acceptance of the market place that backs the currency. I say we choose a standard/backing and develop a way of expanding and contracting the currency supply fairly and randomly, I suggest 1 unit of currency = 1 joule of work for the standard.  
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I am not quite sure, but I believe OP is one of the people that sold his BTC at 50, and has been fuming ever since.  Bitcoin will not fail, just as rare (unique) items in video games don't fail.  Look at runescape economy, partyhats (worthless, no intrinsic value) are over 1kUSD each.  Why?  Because they can't be produced.

And he can't buy shit anymore so he is really cranky  Cheesy
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Schiff made that same AppleCoin point too, only more eloquently I think.

What if some organization, say some bank in China, sees the advantages of Bitcoin and makes their own. It's a 1:1 copy of BTC, only they premine it, and also declare that 1 coin is worth 1ounce of gold.

Why would anyone still mine Bitcoin? You could switch your miners to mine this new coin, and boom, you're getting free gold. Then the bank can work in coordination with governments, rich folks, and really just the 1%. The people won't know the difference. To them the utility of using a Cryptocoin is the same whether it's Bitcoin, some AltCoin, or a Chinese BitGoldCoin.

But wait, there's more. Sure you could use BTC. But then good luck securing your coins. That's already a problem. Storage solutions at the moment are just not good. I've personally lost 1BTC that way back in the day. Many people have lost much more. But no need to worry about it with the Chinese BitGoldCoin. It's already being issued by a bank, so they'll also guarantee you safe storage at their servers. It's already a bank. And since it's centralized, there's no need for the community to run full nodes.

It just paints a picture of a theoretical 1%-backed CryptoCoin to do a hell of a lot better with the general public than Bitcoin can do.
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Yes we can not do anything about Bitcoins because i am only one person, we dont even know who created bitcoins.
Bitcoins are volitile and new and who knows what will happenm we can only speculate

For now, more businesses are accepting bitcoins and bitcoins are becoming more popular.. so looking for at this moment in time.
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Except.... Apple has made the difficulty slightly easier than bitcoin so miners leave the bitcoin network to concentrate on the Apple network. This has the effect of increasing the desirability (price) of AppleCoin and decreasing the desirability (price) of bitcoin.

Interesting. So you've discovered a new economic principle whereby increasing the supply of item A relative to item B results in the price of item B to drop in relation to item A.

I sense a Nobel prize in the works.

I believe the principal is very well established. I'll call it the De Beers principal. Although I'm sure economist have a better name for it...

You create a cartel and control the introduction into the market of a commodity that is very plentiful and through marketing and limiting supply you make it expensive and desirable.

Speaking of diamonds and their artificially inflated price. We are several decades into the manufacturing of perfect artificial diamonds. The price of which is very low.
The diamond cartels maintain their position by convincing gullible young women that natural is better... how can you tell them apart? Natural diamonds are full defects and cost a ton of money while an artificial diamond is perfection itself and is super cheap.
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But that would seem to have little relationship to AppleCoin.

I didn't quite understand everything with Apple coin, as there won't be any mining involved with amazons or apples digital currency, but the thing that I can see it as a negative to Bitcoin is that with Applecoin and Amazoncoin people can actually use it to purchase thousands of goods and services.

Again these are small minuscule issues to Bitcoin, the others mentioned are far more important and devastating.
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But that would seem to have little relationship to AppleCoin.
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Except.... Apple has made the difficulty slightly easier than bitcoin so miners leave the bitcoin network to concentrate on the Apple network. This has the effect of increasing the desirability (price) of AppleCoin and decreasing the desirability (price) of bitcoin.

Interesting. So you've discovered a new economic principle whereby increasing the supply of item A relative to item B results in the price of item B to drop in relation to item A.

I sense a Nobel prize in the works.

I believe the principal is very well established. I'll call it the De Beers principal. Although I'm sure economist have a better name for it...

You create a cartel and control the introduction into the market of a commodity that is very plentiful and through marketing and limiting supply you make it expensive and desirable.
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Except.... Apple has made the difficulty slightly easier than bitcoin so miners leave the bitcoin network to concentrate on the Apple network. This has the effect of increasing the desirability (price) of AppleCoin and decreasing the desirability (price) of bitcoin.

Interesting. So you've discovered a new economic principle whereby increasing the supply of item A relative to item B results in the price of item B to drop in relation to item A.

I sense a Nobel prize in the works.
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hey MikeyVeez
i think you have given up being and thinking to be free
freedom is happiness by all means
even with bitcoin
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1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY

Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.




Of all the potential pitfalls mentioned this is the most worrisome one. Far from being FUD or as someone once said "it is not fear porn if you tell someone to move off the tracks when there is a train coming."

The moment BTC (or any alt coin for that matter) would be widely accepted as a form of payment for stuff like grocery, clothes, utility bills, gas, real-estate..etc at that moment the hammer would fall and it always falls the hardest. This ofc is theory since it would not even be allowed to come to such a wide spread adoption.
 
Why?

No taxation.

Let them march (and protest) as long as they pay their taxes. The pigs at the top of the food chain (political and business elite) live off your taxes (and your mindless shopping). A wide spread BTC adoption = a drastic decrease in tax income = no more cocaine and high class hookers for G20, Davos and other such "high level" meetings, no more money to pay for "protection" to police, fire-brigade,  NSA, CIA, FSB...no more money to pay for foreign geostartegic time limited scope limited kinetic actions, no money to drone bomb Yemeni weddings....


Money makers will never sit idle and watch their flock transit to BTC. Given how things are, the flock even helps them. Disgustingly greedy nature of people drives them to use BTC as a speculative instrument. Whatever or whoever Satoshi is, i highly doubt the original intention of BTC was for it to be used for speculation.

If people ever had awareness of what it might do to the baking sector, they would
first: buy and then HOLD
second: go to their bank and withdraw all the money left in there.

They would not sell to make a quick buck at the expense of others. Using bots for trading, hyping, pumping, dumping - makes them same as the pigs.


BTC is not...or....is not just a monetary instrument. BTC is an instrument of war.


Are you ready to fight?


Like in the cartoon - Bugs life....ants are many and grasshoppers are few. Just that the ants from the desert of the real are a bunch of brain dead ass fucks - aggressive, acquisitive, competitive...      

edit: grammar, spelling  
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as bitcoin rises more and more haters will arise
but also more and more lovers
when i am on Africa and i can pay my university tuition fees in Cyprus on Bitcoin it is an act of freedom
we have to concentrate on the freedom part of bitcoin - it liberates us from the jails of governments and their games to the people.

i believe one of the main reasons it will succeed is the decentralization - just like open source everything has succeeded over proprietary everything last 7 years.
look at the web-> proprietary at first ->open source now
look at the things -> proprietary at first -> open source now (opensource hardware - 3d printers etc )
look at funding -> a small bunch of people at first -> crowdfunding now (kickstarter.com etc)
look at money -> banks at first -> cryptocurrencies next
look at the people -> slavery at first -> freedom next

aren't you seeing the waves of freedom?
we as a humanity flowing towards that direction, the direction of freedom
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What Bitcointers fail at is thinking Bitcoin is a whole industry. They are comparing bitcoin to the internet when it should be compared to google for example. Or Bitcoin to PCs when it should be compared to Apple. Bitcoin is one of many digital currencies, digital currency will succeed, but bitcoin will fail at becoming mainstream.

One is the invention and the enabler while the other is a product of the invention.

And no most things are still closed source and if they are open sourced they are still centralized by Oracles of the world. Last time I checked the two biggest operating systems still closed sourced, and flash still dominates the web.

And no Banks at first ---> digital currencies still controlled by gov. And banks next, yes so much freedom, living like a debt slave paycheck to paycheck real freedom people have. If you enjoy the illusion of freedom then so be it, you'll enjoy the millennium aliens coming to enlighten us, world peace delussions.
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as bitcoin rises more and more haters will arise
but also more and more lovers
when i am on Africa and i can pay my university tuition fees in Cyprus on Bitcoin it is an act of freedom
we have to concentrate on the freedom part of bitcoin - it liberates us from the jails of governments and their games to the people.

i believe one of the main reasons it will succeed is the decentralization - just like open source everything has succeeded over proprietary everything last 7 years.
look at the web-> proprietary at first ->open source now
look at the things -> proprietary at first -> open source now (opensource hardware - 3d printers etc )
look at funding -> a small bunch of people at first -> crowdfunding now (kickstarter.com etc)
look at money -> banks at first -> cryptocurrencies next
look at the people -> slavery at first -> freedom next

aren't you seeing the waves of freedom?
we as a humanity flowing towards that direction, the direction of freedom
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central banking = outdated protocol
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1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY

Does this even require any explaining? Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.

Let's all open up our history books and see when the 99% won against the 1%?

Technically, it's new 0.01% against the old 1%.
It is not guaranteed that the old 1% would succeed in retaining power.
Yes, the decentralized currency deserves all the explanation it can get. 
The war is coming, but the resistance is NOT futile.

That's right, only pussies defeat themselves psychologically before the battle begins.  I'd prefer not to fight and just be free, but am prepared for defense of financial freedom from those who would try to aggressively take it away.

They are taking it away what are you doing about it? That's right nothing,  besides being Internet tough guy.

No, they aren't. It's working perfectly and it's perfectly legal for me to use here. What are you doing if not sowing the seeds of doubt, fear and pussyness. afraid of the dark?  http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/bitcoin-boon-overstock-become-biggest-retailer-accept-virtual-currency-2D11785539
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