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Topic: Why Bitcoin is doomed to fail, and there's nothing you can do about it. - page 16. (Read 39330 times)

legendary
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central banking = outdated protocol


Yes i researched and Bitcoin is .0005% of the worlds population, retard much? Everything I have mentioned in the OP are well known documented issues, again retard much? Maybe you should research mental retardation hopefully a picture of you doesn't pop up and you can get the help you deserve.

While your* at it, maybe you can learn better grammar so you don't give yourself away being from a shit 3rd world country, with malnutrition, causing you to fail at grasping simple concepts and ideas.

*emphasis mine
I didn't lol, but close.

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legendary
Activity: 2156
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Why is every popular post on this forum about Bitcoin failing? Why does anyone respond to these posters? Isn't it a better idea to just let them sink to the bottom of the cesspool and focus on more positive things?

Like more bitcoiners donning pink tutus.  Grin

Are you back home yet?
legendary
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Why is every popular post on this forum about Bitcoin failing? Why does anyone respond to these posters? Isn't it a better idea to just let them sink to the bottom of the cesspool and focus on more positive things?

Like more bitcoiners donning pink tutus.  Grin

Tutus are nice and all but my motivation is to remove the money power from government and the elite. That cant happen while we are fucking around with bullshit pseudo currencies like bitcoin.

It is a little difficult to watch there were a couple of tech problems, but check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV-32qmLG64  
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Why is every popular post on this forum about Bitcoin failing? Why does anyone respond to these posters? Isn't it a better idea to just let them sink to the bottom of the cesspool and focus on more positive things?

Like more bitcoiners donning pink tutus.  Grin
newbie
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Okay, let's do this.

Does this even require any explaining? Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.

Can you define "current financial system"?

2. CENTRALIZED MAIN DEVELOPMENT

When uTorrent started adding malware to their client, nobody was "forced" to sit there and swallow it. If something goes awry, switch clients.

I saw this the other day, looked interesting, and like it's run by competent people: https://github.com/conformal/btcd

I'm sure there are others.

However, the concerns you raise are still valid concerns, and I think people need to acknowledge that before they are prepared to jump ship and switch clients if anything does go awry.

You think average people will store a 100TB worth of data? No.

Yes.

Double Spends

Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this.

Nobody is going to double spend on a cup of coffee, nobody is going to commit fraud for small amounts, well at least not in person, but they will for big ticket items.

This has been discussed many times. Vendors can choose to wait as many blocks as they want. 10 blocks is no big deal for a 1000 BTC purchase.

Slow Speed

This has been discussed to death. Search this forum.

If it's fraud, say someone uses someone else card to buy something, the money does not come out of the merchants account, the credit card company takes the hit

From Wikipedia: The liability for the fraud is determined by the details of the transaction. If the merchant retrieved all the necessary pieces of information and followed all of the rules and regulations the financial institution would bear the liability for the fraud. If the merchant did not get all of the necessary information they would be required to return the funds to the financial institution. This is all determined through the credit card processory.

Okay so if the merchant messed up somehow (e.g. didn't double check a signature) then the merchant pays for the fraud. Same deal with double spending.

Un-Scalable

Bitcoin can barley handle a few hundred thousand transactions a day, what happens if the transactions grow to 10 Million, 50 Million, 100 Million which are all still relativity small transaction numbers compared to the 6 Billion people in the world. It simply can't handle it.

6 billion people in the world wont be making online transactions all at once. This issue has also been discussed to death; search the forums.

51% Attacks

51% attacks which don't have to be 51% of the network, as they can do it with far less hashpower, such as ghash.io 29% the two biggest pools combined make up over 51% of the network and can literally destroy Bitcoin at any second. It doesn't even need to be the pool operators, it can be hackers who take over the pools.

They'll literally destroy it?

Unstable Exchange Rate

It can never be used as a sole currency to replace all other fiat currencies. Why? Because it's price is unstable. It must always rely on another fiat currency to have any sort of monetary use, no merchant is going to transact when the price of the currency fluctuates 50-200% a day. The only way to stop this is to have actual control of the currency and adjust creation.

The price will settle.

4. NO BENEFIT OVER FIAT

blah blah blah blah Want to know how right I am and how wrong you are? blah blah

Oh. Sigh. I thought this poster was making a genuine effort to have a discussion. I'll get better at this. Time to utilise that ignore list!
sr. member
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Those are all real problems but most are relatively easy to fix... The real reason that bitcoin is doomed to fail is that it is not currency. The fatal flaw with bitcoin is that it is not definable and has a fixed supply.

1 unit of currency = 1 joule of work!!!   

Hence why one of the biggest accounting firm properly said Bitcoin is not a currency, because it's not. I don't know how hard or easy those solutions are to implement, but the fact that Gavin has not addressed them, instead of wasting time on useless improvements.
sr. member
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How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall

"Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this. "

Yeahh... no. LOL

He then assumes all the pools are united and double spending.. but this cannot even happen without someone noticing.. Like holy shit the OP is just BEYOND stupid.

It's cute how you make yourself look retarded lmao.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-double-spend-against-a-satoshidice-loss-130764
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-successful-double-spend-us10000-against-okpay-this-morning-152348
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ghashio-and-double-spending-against-betcoin-dice-327767



When will you actually learn to read and properly research something?  Roll Eyes

DISCLAIMER: The following post shows the risk with accepting bitcoin transactions with no confirmations. This could not have been done if the transaction had a confirmation.


I never mentioned about confirmations, just mentioned that they have occured, since everybody on here always says ohhhh just accept 0 confirmations for instant payments.

Don't worry though it's only a matter of time before a confirmed double spend occurs, and even then there are a dozen other issues that will cause Bitcoin to fail.






You are like Obama.

You truly believe in your own BS.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 250
How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall

"Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this. "

Yeahh... no. LOL

He then assumes all the pools are united and double spending.. but this cannot even happen without someone noticing.. Like holy shit the OP is just BEYOND stupid.

It's cute how you make yourself look retarded lmao.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-double-spend-against-a-satoshidice-loss-130764
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-successful-double-spend-us10000-against-okpay-this-morning-152348
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ghashio-and-double-spending-against-betcoin-dice-327767



When will you actually learn to read and properly research something?  Roll Eyes

DISCLAIMER: The following post shows the risk with accepting bitcoin transactions with no confirmations. This could not have been done if the transaction had a confirmation.


I never mentioned about confirmations, just mentioned that they have occured, since everybody on here always says ohhhh just accept 0 confirmations for instant payments.

Don't worry though it's only a matter of time before a confirmed double spend occurs, and even then there are a dozen other issues that will cause Bitcoin to fail.




legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Those are all real problems but most are relatively easy to fix... The real reason that bitcoin is doomed to fail is that it is not currency. The fatal flaw with bitcoin is that it is not definable and has a fixed supply.

1 unit of currency = 1 joule of work!!!   
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
Coolness: ∞
Embarrassing. Ban OP.

/thread

Not ban, he needs to learn.
legendary
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Monero Evangelist
Embarrassing. Ban OP.

/thread
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
Coolness: ∞
How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall

"Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this. "

Yeahh... no. LOL

He then assumes all the pools are united and double spending.. but this cannot even happen without someone noticing.. Like holy shit the OP is just BEYOND stupid.

It's cute how you make yourself look retarded lmao.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-double-spend-against-a-satoshidice-loss-130764
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-successful-double-spend-us10000-against-okpay-this-morning-152348
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ghashio-and-double-spending-against-betcoin-dice-327767



When will you actually learn to read and properly research something?  Roll Eyes

DISCLAIMER: The following post shows the risk with accepting bitcoin transactions with no confirmations. This could not have been done if the transaction had a confirmation.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 250
How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall

"Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this. "

Yeahh... no. LOL

He then assumes all the pools are united and double spending.. but this cannot even happen without someone noticing.. Like holy shit the OP is just BEYOND stupid.

It's cute how you make yourself look retarded lmao.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/success-double-spend-against-a-satoshidice-loss-130764
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-successful-double-spend-us10000-against-okpay-this-morning-152348
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ghashio-and-double-spending-against-betcoin-dice-327767

Yes people noticed that ghash.io double spend, guess what it's still 29% of the network, I think it's time for you to go, little children or adults with the mental capacity of little children shouldn't be allowed on teh interwebz
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
Coolness: ∞
How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall

"Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this. "

Yeahh... no. LOL

He then assumes all the pools are united and double spending.. but this cannot even happen without someone noticing.. Like holy shit the OP is just BEYOND stupid.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
How can u be a Senior Member with activity of 224 and post such bullshit?

Embarrassing.


Why is it bullshit? Because it attacks your precious feeble coin? Does the truth hurt you? Does it make you cry?

hes speaking the truth but its a foreign language to yall
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
Bitcoins only real value as a currency is its anonymity and is therefore mostly attractive for people who need to be anonymous.

It is not an alternative for every day people. You cant pay your electricity with btc.

Yes you can buy some retail stuff with bitcoin but why would you when you could just use fiat and save the exchange fees? And the buisiness accepting bitcoin must also exchange it to fiat which incurs them extra costand which the consumer will pay for.

Whats the economic incentive to use bitcoin?

What is bitcoin used for ? Its use has been mostly for drug transactions and other black market activities.

It has not been transformed into a currency that compete with the power that a state has.

How do you buy bitcoin, thats right you must transfer to an exchange which incurs fees and that negates the whole point bitcoins cheap transaction fees.

Its major use at this point is speculation.

Eventually the governments will curtail it back to its original and only practical use.

Guns > BTC







sr. member
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Everything he wrote stand on its own. Problem is that assumption is that Bitcoin wont change in time, which is kinda flawed. I think that Bitcoin has ability to addept and survive and get much stronger than it is today.

Yes, BTC constantly and quickly adapts, the OP states many assumptions that he is trying to write off as fact.

/end this stupid thread
legendary
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Everything he wrote stand on its own. Problem is that assumption is that Bitcoin wont change in time, which is kinda flawed. I think that Bitcoin has ability to addept and survive and get much stronger than it is today.
sr. member
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Inter,

Pretending it's not there does not make it so. A tip for real life when you go out there one day.

Pretending like you know what you are talking about does not make it so.

A tip for real life when you "go out there one day".

sr. member
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Look, BTC is a framework, and when mass adoption comes, it will be hidden beneath a layer of fluff known as "consumer clients". And with more more than $10 billion invested in the currency, people will not just let it disappear all of a sudden.

And as for transactions, it will be possible to have instantaneous transactions between wallets on the same provider. While this may lead to a monopoloy, it will solve the problem of long durations of confirmation time. Read http://bitcoinmagazine.com/5474/solving-the-slow-inperson-transaction-problem/

Like I mentioned in the OP, if Bitcoin succeeds it will be a heavy centralized version, but again as of right now it can never become mainstream as it can't handle more than about 600K transactions/day.

What is the point if Bitcoin becomes another centralized crypto currency? There isn't any, then it just becomes another Ripple, another dollar, another Paypal.

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