Athiest have a practical point of view who dont believe we need to rely on faith of something no actual proof of existence. The thought of god and heaven/hell just sounds made up, like some kind of false hope and for me it's hard to actually believe and convert too. It doesnt mean athiest dont want to be good people but they dont identify or agree with people who dont feel the way they do (just like most christians do) That and I dont think it's fair religion get special priviledges just because of being a religion. Churches building huge crosses in your face, getting tax breaks. Atheists tried anything like that they get shot down and insulted. Christians always try to convert so athiests are always gonna be on the defense.
probably because their impossible questions are never answered the way they want it to be answered.
they probably want proof of a being that is greater than them, since they probably believe humans are the greatest species ever made.
yeah, i know they're stupid, but they need to be converted.
they don't believe in God, because they cannot believe that they cannot answer the mysteries He presents, and they are in denial. They just give up and say He doesn't exist because they don't get it.
They probably have no religion that suits what they want to hear, or have none to turn to because they don't think it will help their problems, when in fact it does.
Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 152. (Read 901362 times)
I don't speak for all older atheists or regular liberal aging people, but as you get older I think religion or what you choose in life matters less and less. Simply put you stop giving a shit more than you already do. I think this goes for most things in life. You become less opinionated and less motivated to share your feelings on subjects like this because it feels like it has been discussed a million times over word for word. The older you get the less things like this matter to you as long as they keep off your lawn. I don't think this is true for the other side though. They seem to get more stuck in their ways and more opinionated as they get older. Kinda weird how that works.
The liberal 20 somethings are the most vocal when it comes to these things (politics and religion) because they in a sense just woke up and don't understand why all this stupid shit is still going on and think they can change it overnight. But if you look at history it is changing, it just takes generations and generations to change and make real progress. mankind is slowly awakening on it's own terms. As the old saying goes, you can't teach an old dog new tricks (meaning to life), you have to wait until you get a new dog.
The liberal 20 somethings are the most vocal when it comes to these things (politics and religion) because they in a sense just woke up and don't understand why all this stupid shit is still going on and think they can change it overnight. But if you look at history it is changing, it just takes generations and generations to change and make real progress. mankind is slowly awakening on it's own terms. As the old saying goes, you can't teach an old dog new tricks (meaning to life), you have to wait until you get a new dog.
Yep. The atheists worship Satan, and they don't seem to like it when they show themselves that they do.
So: atheists are idiots?!?
Best regards.
"Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent."
I'm looking for a GoddessGod that does not want to control me, manipulate me or give me orders and watch over my shoulder 24/7 to check if maybe I put one foot out of line and promises me eternal damnation if I do bad when I know I can strive to do better all the time but never quite reach the "perfectness" I'm supposed to.
"Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent."
-Update-
My story
I was a kid raised up in a brahmin Hindu family, its one of those most 'pure' casts you could find in the Hindu society, offcourse every branch of the brahmin cast claims to be such but 'Chatterjee' or 'Chattopadhyay' s are the top ones - or so I ve been told.
So with that backdrop you can pretty much say that I had the most stringiest of religious teachings one could ever get.
Being a brahmin kid, traditionally you have to go through a ritual or a sort of rite of passage called 'poita' in bengali or Upanayana in sanskrit. This has to be done before the age of 15 and no earlier than the age of 7.
So I remember as the days went by my parents were beginning to talk more & more about this rite of passage how my father had to go bald and stay with a step mother (part of the ritual - no that mother has no relationship with the father of the pupil) and has to beg around and eat only boiled vegetables through out these days. Obviously this was getting kinda scary for me, I was already the odd fat kid in school and the thought of getting more attention because of a bald head was nerve wracking for me. Among all the discussions that my father and I had I remember him vaguely mentioning that only when I go through this ritual would I be called a purified soul reborn on earth worthy of going to heaven.
That got me thinking, it was a bewildering fact for me which I couldnt get my head around. I and only all the other brahmin kids had a free ticket to heaven while the rest are automatically considered unworthy ? What about my best friend who had a surname of Moitra ? What about that girl I had a crush on with a surname of Kundu, wait a second, "what about mom?" I asked my father.
I remember this distinctly as my father explained to me that girls dont have a caste, they belong to the man they marry and since my mother was married to him she will be worthy of going to heaven with him. But what if she married a muslim ?? Dont remember if I ever asked this back then but I certainly did have this thought from around the same time.
This did not sit well with me, I began questioning every aspect of 'Poita' my tantrums got so bad that my parents eventually considered to not force me to go through this ritual. However, my tantrums back then were fueled by the desire of eating chicken.
But this small victory of not getting the poita was a good enough spark in my mind to raise questions on all aspects of religion.
Then at the age of nine, I got the greatest gift I ever thought I could get in my life; Cable TV and with it the Discovery channel.
Hence began my journey into the world of science, off course we had physics / chemistry / maths in our schools but for the first time all of it actually meant something to me. I was fascinated by how gravity works. I was spellbound when I first saw an animated version of the milky way. I found out that there was a real person named Pythagoras. Basically cable TV was the fuel that my spark required to become a full fledged atheist.
.. and that is my story.
I did not go through same thing you did but, I am 18 and I think about two things every day.What Is God, and how does that affect science. If you really think about It. Mankind only made relgion so that they can understand and describe what happened that look "out of place" to them. But, now we now most of the things that they did not know, like gravity and the world being not flat but around. So, for some people If you do not understand it there has got to be a way to figure how Its is made and how it works. That, right there is the only reason that we use reglion, to use that to explain it. My story
I was a kid raised up in a brahmin Hindu family, its one of those most 'pure' casts you could find in the Hindu society, offcourse every branch of the brahmin cast claims to be such but 'Chatterjee' or 'Chattopadhyay' s are the top ones - or so I ve been told.
So with that backdrop you can pretty much say that I had the most stringiest of religious teachings one could ever get.
Being a brahmin kid, traditionally you have to go through a ritual or a sort of rite of passage called 'poita' in bengali or Upanayana in sanskrit. This has to be done before the age of 15 and no earlier than the age of 7.
So I remember as the days went by my parents were beginning to talk more & more about this rite of passage how my father had to go bald and stay with a step mother (part of the ritual - no that mother has no relationship with the father of the pupil) and has to beg around and eat only boiled vegetables through out these days. Obviously this was getting kinda scary for me, I was already the odd fat kid in school and the thought of getting more attention because of a bald head was nerve wracking for me. Among all the discussions that my father and I had I remember him vaguely mentioning that only when I go through this ritual would I be called a purified soul reborn on earth worthy of going to heaven.
That got me thinking, it was a bewildering fact for me which I couldnt get my head around. I and only all the other brahmin kids had a free ticket to heaven while the rest are automatically considered unworthy ? What about my best friend who had a surname of Moitra ? What about that girl I had a crush on with a surname of Kundu, wait a second, "what about mom?" I asked my father.
I remember this distinctly as my father explained to me that girls dont have a caste, they belong to the man they marry and since my mother was married to him she will be worthy of going to heaven with him. But what if she married a muslim ?? Dont remember if I ever asked this back then but I certainly did have this thought from around the same time.
This did not sit well with me, I began questioning every aspect of 'Poita' my tantrums got so bad that my parents eventually considered to not force me to go through this ritual. However, my tantrums back then were fueled by the desire of eating chicken.
But this small victory of not getting the poita was a good enough spark in my mind to raise questions on all aspects of religion.
Then at the age of nine, I got the greatest gift I ever thought I could get in my life; Cable TV and with it the Discovery channel.
Hence began my journey into the world of science, off course we had physics / chemistry / maths in our schools but for the first time all of it actually meant something to me. I was fascinated by how gravity works. I was spellbound when I first saw an animated version of the milky way. I found out that there was a real person named Pythagoras. Basically cable TV was the fuel that my spark required to become a full fledged atheist.
.. and that is my story.
-Update-
My story
I was a kid raised up in a brahmin Hindu family, its one of those most 'pure' casts you could find in the Hindu society, offcourse every branch of the brahmin cast claims to be such but 'Chatterjee' or 'Chattopadhyay' s are the top ones - or so I ve been told.
So with that backdrop you can pretty much say that I had the most stringiest of religious teachings one could ever get.
Being a brahmin kid, traditionally you have to go through a ritual or a sort of rite of passage called 'poita' in bengali or Upanayana in sanskrit. This has to be done before the age of 15 and no earlier than the age of 7.
So I remember as the days went by my parents were beginning to talk more & more about this rite of passage how my father had to go bald and stay with a step mother (part of the ritual - no that mother has no relationship with the father of the pupil) and has to beg around and eat only boiled vegetables through out these days. Obviously this was getting kinda scary for me, I was already the odd fat kid in school and the thought of getting more attention because of a bald head was nerve wracking for me. Among all the discussions that my father and I had I remember him vaguely mentioning that only when I go through this ritual would I be called a purified soul reborn on earth worthy of going to heaven.
That got me thinking, it was a bewildering fact for me which I couldnt get my head around. I and only all the other brahmin kids had a free ticket to heaven while the rest are automatically considered unworthy ? What about my best friend who had a surname of Moitra ? What about that girl I had a crush on with a surname of Kundu, wait a second, "what about mom?" I asked my father.
I remember this distinctly as my father explained to me that girls dont have a caste, they belong to the man they marry and since my mother was married to him she will be worthy of going to heaven with him. But what if she married a muslim ?? Dont remember if I ever asked this back then but I certainly did have this thought from around the same time.
This did not sit well with me, I began questioning every aspect of 'Poita' my tantrums got so bad that my parents eventually considered to not force me to go through this ritual. However, my tantrums back then were fueled by the desire of eating chicken.
But this small victory of not getting the poita was a good enough spark in my mind to raise questions on all aspects of religion.
Then at the age of nine, I got the greatest gift I ever thought I could get in my life; Cable TV and with it the Discovery channel.
Hence began my journey into the world of science, off course we had physics / chemistry / maths in our schools but for the first time all of it actually meant something to me. I was fascinated by how gravity works. I was spellbound when I first saw an animated version of the milky way. I found out that there was a real person named Pythagoras. Basically cable TV was the fuel that my spark required to become a full fledged atheist.
.. and that is my story.
I did not go through same thing you did but, I am 18 and I think about two things every day.What Is God, and how does that affect science. If you really think about It. Mankind only made relgion so that they can understand and describe what happened that look "out of place" to them. But, now we now most of the things that they did not know, like gravity and the world being not flat but around. So, for some people If you do not understand it there has got to be a way to figure how Its is made and how it works. That, right there is the only reason that we use reglion, to use that to explain it. My story
I was a kid raised up in a brahmin Hindu family, its one of those most 'pure' casts you could find in the Hindu society, offcourse every branch of the brahmin cast claims to be such but 'Chatterjee' or 'Chattopadhyay' s are the top ones - or so I ve been told.
So with that backdrop you can pretty much say that I had the most stringiest of religious teachings one could ever get.
Being a brahmin kid, traditionally you have to go through a ritual or a sort of rite of passage called 'poita' in bengali or Upanayana in sanskrit. This has to be done before the age of 15 and no earlier than the age of 7.
So I remember as the days went by my parents were beginning to talk more & more about this rite of passage how my father had to go bald and stay with a step mother (part of the ritual - no that mother has no relationship with the father of the pupil) and has to beg around and eat only boiled vegetables through out these days. Obviously this was getting kinda scary for me, I was already the odd fat kid in school and the thought of getting more attention because of a bald head was nerve wracking for me. Among all the discussions that my father and I had I remember him vaguely mentioning that only when I go through this ritual would I be called a purified soul reborn on earth worthy of going to heaven.
That got me thinking, it was a bewildering fact for me which I couldnt get my head around. I and only all the other brahmin kids had a free ticket to heaven while the rest are automatically considered unworthy ? What about my best friend who had a surname of Moitra ? What about that girl I had a crush on with a surname of Kundu, wait a second, "what about mom?" I asked my father.
I remember this distinctly as my father explained to me that girls dont have a caste, they belong to the man they marry and since my mother was married to him she will be worthy of going to heaven with him. But what if she married a muslim ?? Dont remember if I ever asked this back then but I certainly did have this thought from around the same time.
This did not sit well with me, I began questioning every aspect of 'Poita' my tantrums got so bad that my parents eventually considered to not force me to go through this ritual. However, my tantrums back then were fueled by the desire of eating chicken.
But this small victory of not getting the poita was a good enough spark in my mind to raise questions on all aspects of religion.
Then at the age of nine, I got the greatest gift I ever thought I could get in my life; Cable TV and with it the Discovery channel.
Hence began my journey into the world of science, off course we had physics / chemistry / maths in our schools but for the first time all of it actually meant something to me. I was fascinated by how gravity works. I was spellbound when I first saw an animated version of the milky way. I found out that there was a real person named Pythagoras. Basically cable TV was the fuel that my spark required to become a full fledged atheist.
.. and that is my story.
BADecker, my friend, I can sense you are kicking against the pricks: Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Well, if you would stop acting like a prick, I wouldn't appear to be kicking against you.
BADecker...I don't know what to say...what now? maybe LOL
BADecker, my friend, I can sense you are kicking against the pricks: Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Well, if you would stop acting like a prick, I wouldn't appear to be kicking against you.
BADecker, my friend, I can sense you are kicking against the pricks: Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
This is what my goddess machinery with an extra arm or 2 would look like BADecker:
And a bigger one would simply knock you out of existence... like what will happen if you don't recognize and worship the True God.
This is what my goddess machinery with an extra arm or 2 would look like BADecker:
If GoddessGod is to 'exist' shehe must be modelled unto my human traits. There just is no other way. I cannot think outside of my human 'box' setup. Interestingly, I think this is the way its supposed to be (for me at least). First I recognize all that entails being 'human', ie. start with myself and then derive whatever I want that pertains to GoddessGod. I am my own starting point. From here I see if divinity can fit in somewhere or not. To each his own. In my case I find it extremely difficult to let go of the idea of GoddessGod (although I would have said 'God' previously) since I have been programmed since childhood to believe and think this way.
But I definitely revolt 100% against the manipulation, monopolization, monetization and indoctrination of this idea of GoddessGod. In fact my programming since childhood stated that there is this being, being "all powerful" and he is a masculine figure and of the same culture and practice as middle eastern cultures - unequivocally, in short he is 'God'. This I absolutely cannot agree with anymore and never ever again will do. I believe there should be as many references to 'higher powers' or 'no higher power' as there are people on this earth. Divinity or the Undivine should be individualized. This is my belief to tell you the truth.
This is why I feel totally comfortable posting in this specific thread too.
We are all similar, yet we are all different. So, are you the only goddess? The rest of us are what?
God made our first parents in His own image. They corrupted themselves by attempting to take on the image of the snake, a reptile. Because of this, we don't know what the image of God is like in ourselves anymore.
The machinery of nature didn't just make itself. Like all the machines we make, the machinery of nature had a Maker, as well. If it is you, show us by creating something other than a piece of art. Do some real creating, not just manipulation of what is here a little.
Men and women of research haven't been able to grow back a finger on a person who lost one. But if they have, they just barely have. Prove that you are the goddess. Grow an extra arm or two.
If GoddessGod is to 'exist' shehe must be modelled unto my human traits. There just is no other way. I cannot think outside of my human 'box' setup. Interestingly, I think this is the way its supposed to be (for me at least). First I recognize all that entails being 'human', ie. start with myself and then derive whatever I want that pertains to GoddessGod. I am my own starting point. From here I see if divinity can fit in somewhere or not. To each his own. In my case I find it extremely difficult to let go of the idea of GoddessGod (although I would have said 'God' previously) since I have been programmed since childhood to believe and think this way.
But I definitely revolt 100% against the manipulation, monopolization, monetization and indoctrination of this idea of GoddessGod. In fact my programming since childhood stated that there is this being, being "all powerful" and he is a masculine figure and of the same culture and practice as middle eastern cultures - unequivocally, in short he is 'God'. This I absolutely cannot agree with anymore and never ever again will do. I believe there should be as many references to 'higher powers' or 'no higher power' as there are people on this earth. Divinity or the Undivine should be individualized. This is my belief to tell you the truth.
This is why I feel totally comfortable posting in this specific thread too.
Atheists were people who got destructed though they had good faith in god. This failure eventually turns a user to hate god and go unnoticed and focus on enriching atheistic thoughts.
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up."
The difference is, if you have no interest in bowling or knitting, but know about them both, then your personal religion is one that doesn't include an interest in bowling or knitting.
You never told us how OLD everyone in Heaven is or LOOKS with their hybrid-flex ESP. (Why don't they EVER communicate with us???)
OH BY THE WAY:
Ancient Egyptian Mythology: (Isis & Osiris) 6,000 BC -- "Virgin Birth"
Ancient Egyptian Mythology: 3-day resurrection
Christianity: (invented by recently-Pagan Romans, 0 B.C.E. at the Nicene Council where they made up the "Nicene Creed.")
Jesus Christ: "Virgin Birth."
Jesus Christ: 3-day resurrection
*YAWN*
Some of those ancient people were way smarter than we are. They predicted the virgin birth in their mythology, long before it happened.
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up."
The difference is, if you have no interest in bowling or knitting, but know about them both, then your personal religion is one that doesn't include an interest in bowling or knitting.
You never told us how OLD everyone in Heaven is or LOOKS with their hybrid-flex ESP. (Why don't they EVER communicate with us???)
OH BY THE WAY:
Ancient Egyptian Mythology: (Isis & Osiris) 6,000 BC -- "Virgin Birth"
Ancient Egyptian Mythology: 3-day resurrection
Christianity: (invented by recently-Pagan Romans, 0 B.C.E. at the Nicene Council where they made up the "Nicene Creed.")
Jesus Christ: "Virgin Birth."
Jesus Christ: 3-day resurrection
*YAWN*
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up."
The difference is, if you have no interest in bowling or knitting, but know about them both, then your personal religion is one that doesn't include an interest in bowling or knitting.
Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up."
Let me say it simply. God always was. God always is. He has no beginning or end.
Your question is really out of line. Why? Because you can't follow the cause and effect of even one electron, while God follows them all - and everything else - completely. So, until you can do this simple, little thing, answers to questions about the sublime nature of God won't be even a little understandable to you. Forget it.
Your question is really out of line. Why? Because you can't follow the cause and effect of even one electron, while God follows them all - and everything else - completely. So, until you can do this simple, little thing, answers to questions about the sublime nature of God won't be even a little understandable to you. Forget it.
When I think upon the divine, I have to take myself in consideration. Why? Because I am the start and finish of myself, my own measuring stick if you want. So if God creates everything is must be by divine romance; it must be Goddess and God having divine sex and then the stars follows after that. This is the only way for me to make sense of these things. So Goddess is important in this equition because it is she that nutures star babies inside till the big bang shoot out in all direction moment. lots and lots of star babies. its wonderful!
You quoted me, above, but forgot to read what I said. There is no "must be" regarding God, except if He tells us. Why? Because we don't know even a touch of what God is like without Him telling us. We are countless trillions of times closer to microbes in our abilities than we are to God.
Are you sure BADecker?
1 Corinthians 10:12: "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!"
Because of this, it isn't my sureness that is important or has the strength. It is God Who is sure.
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