Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 21. (Read 901520 times)

Actually the opposite is true. Rejecting God is what brings destruction down upon you. It is not the destruction of a vengeful entity but the tragedy of foolish self destruction. Most people don’t understand the foundation their society was built upon and what is necessary to sustain it.

Your error is your focus. Your seem to think that the important question is what exists out there apart from you.
That is certainly an interesting question but ultimitally secondary.

The important question is what exists inside of you. What is there at your essence that can be built upon.
God is something transforms you a necessary foundation.

You may indeed do all those good things now. Maybe you are the utterly selfless individual Astargath was imagining upthread.

In that event it is unquestionable that you are going good in the here and now and should be commended for it. However that’s not the most important question when discussing an afterlife. More important then what you have done so far is what you would do if given tremendously more power then you currently have and an eternity of time to work with.

What fundamental core belief do hold that will keep you on the path of good. After eons of serving the poor and needy what would prevent you from ever becomming bored and deciding one day to glorify and serve yourself with your great power instead of using it to serve others?

The answer of course is that it is the genuine acceptance that we are the stewards not the owners of God’s creation that our accomplishments are a reflection of his glory not our own. That willing subjugation is what prevents the self from becomming destructive.

Your thinking is skewed. Any imperfection is a killer... not only the imperfection of people killing people. The idea is to be saved out of the imperfection. That is what God does through repentance from unbelief in God and Jesus salvation, be it an imperfect killer, or a person who is imperfect in any other way.

An atheist is dumber than the demons. The demons at least know that God exists, even though they are locked into their position of being against God.

Are people going to die? Yes. Do people need to be killed to die? No. People simply die of old age. Modern science is doing all it can to find ways to extend the lives of people in meaningful ways. They have failed, so far. The Hunzas, and the people of Vilcabamba, still outlive most people on average... and without all the science.

The point? Saving the essence of life, the soul.

God didn't make people so they should die. Death was induced by the devil, and accepted by the people. God is saving the people through Jesus work on the cross. But because of what people are, they can still reject salvation.

What is salvation? It is the saving of the spiritual essence part of us that says "I am." What is it saved for? Resurrection to a new universe. Who gets saved? Those who believe in God and Jesus salvation. Why only those? Because by rejecting God, people reject the only thing that holds them alive at all. Science can't hold them alive. And even when it can a touch, science can't stop the destruction of the universe when that happens.

''Who do you suppose God would be unable to admit into an afterlife this killer of 1,200 who has clearly changed and regrets his actions or a man that has murderered no one but continually wishes for greater power so he can finally actualize his frustrated ambition to torture and murder?''

That's only assuming that the man who hasn't murdered anyone is waiting to have more power to start murdering people, which is not the case in my example and I believe most people. In fact, if you wanted to kill someone, you could, right now, without needing any kind of power, anyone can murder anyone at basically any point with just a weapon, even your own hands. The example I gave is a good man, that was good his entire life vs a bad man who murdered people but then repented. In our society, we consider the second one the worst one. He killed people that we can't bring back, in fact, he took their freedom, what if they didn't repent or weren't believers when they were murdered but would have been if they still lived?

Now you might say the classic, but god knows everything, well then, why all this?

The essence of our evil lies not only of the crimes we commit and facilitate but also the crimes we would commit and facilitate if we had the power to make them happen.

A murderer who kills and repents may indeed be less evil then a man who denies God and lives an outwardly unassuming life. We do not know the secret hearts of men God does.

Here is a story about a man who has killed 1,200 of his fellow human beings. You will be hard pressed to find someone who has taken more lives. He now clearly regrets his actions and is doing what he can to make amends.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/former-abortionist-i-regret-performing-abortions

Who do you suppose God would be unable to admit into an afterlife this killer of 1,200 who has clearly changed and regrets his actions or a man that has murderered no one but continually wishes for greater power so he can finally actualize his frustrated ambition to torture and murder?

At the end of the day who we are is more important then what we have done. Who we are is determined by our core beliefs.

We have it on good authority that the most important core beliefs are 1) Love God and 2) Love you neighbor as yourself.

That was epic dude! thanx.
Ya know... I love how religious retards are always depicted having that cliché ridiculous dopey sounding southern drawl accent.


                                                            

But in your case, you can thank yourself. You wouldn't accept the God Who was pointed out to you all over the place, to say nothing about the salvation He offered. So, yes. Thank God that He has given you the great freedom to choose. And thank you for making a choice. You will get what you are choosing, and asking for thereby.

''However, the guy who did good in this life but didn't believe in God, will be punished in Hell less than an evildoer who didn't believe in God.''

Well thanks god, isn't he merciful? LMAO.

God is the accurate and righteous judge regarding all of the above. God can't be rejected. Rejecting God is really only rejecting yourself.

Hmm, I think they will only see how insane you are.

It's hard for me to understand why an eternal, all knowing, all powerful being would even care about us, denying or not his existence.

You are literally saying a child rapist and murderer that kills 1 million children and rapes them but accepts god is better than a guy who has no money but still gives 90% of his money to charities but denies god.

What happened to all the, you should not kill, rape etc etc? I guess those laws are useless because as long as you accept god, you are fine.

Their point of view in life is far different from us so it's really hard to explain why they hate religion. But, i have a friend of mine, he pretends atheist because he just want an attention by his parents and friends hahhaha!

Thanks, you guys. Perhaps now everybody will see and understand how important God is - Who holds your life and all that you think and do in His hands.

I'm kinda amazed that you do not at least revere Him, if not downright fear Him.

''if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined.''

Take a moment to read this folks.

Nobody lives without religion.

People who use formal religion to harm other people are generally liars and criminals, because most formal religions have the good of people in mind... technically, in their writings and in the way they should be practiced.

People who have a religion of goodness and love, though it is not any formal religion, do better than crooks who use formal religion to do bad things.

Most formal religions have good people in them, who prove their goodness by doing good things.

No matter how good a person might be, in either his formal religion, or in his personal religion, if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined.

In my personal experience, it's always the religious folk that beat their children senseless. I know a married couple and they're both Atheist, and they don't hit their kids(Only going so far as a slap on the wrist), and there children are the most well-behaved I have ever seen.

When I was growing up, you'd hear horror stories of my friends Italian parents beating them with broom sticks and belts, and half of those guys are on drugs or entirely broke now. Don't even mention the various nuns in Ireland that worked the girls sent to their monasteries to death. Religious people are the worst example of parents in my experience(At least concerning Christianity, don't know about other religions in that personal regard).

For me, our experiences are different and what can make one utterly turn out on religion is multiple. Like Betrayal from a trusted religious friend. But for me, people hate religion because of the commandments or rules that goes with each creed. Many like freedom and they feel religion tends to bound and restrict them. But religions such as Christianity don't have bothersome rules....

each person has their own opinion , so judging each other to make other people trust that you are the right one is absolutely not good.

Personally I'm gonna start killing babies, after all, logically, it's the best we can do, right?

Did you notice how you scrapped most of what I said in the post that you quoted? Then you turned what I said into something I didn't say.

God is almighty. God is love. In love God made everything. In almightiness God controls everything. God controls it for good.

In love God set things up so that people could control aspects of His almighty strength so that people could have greatness similar in ways to God's. When people do wrong, they are simply using God's power for things that God didn't want to happen, and really, never even imagined.

God is a wonderful maker of life. He made life the first time, and when people bring about death in the way that they use God's power, God will save the memory of all things for the resurrection.

Pain and death, though they seem terrifying and destructive, are vain. They will all be destroyed in death and the coming destruction. They will never be remembered or brought to mind again. The resurrection is all that counts.

If you continue in your mindset against God, if you do not change before you die, you will never be able to change. In the resurrection, God will give you what you asked for... to be away from God and good. You will be destroyed along with this universe. Your choice, a gift from God, that you are able to choose.