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Indonesian Military Chief Defends “Two-Finger” Virginity Tests for Female Recruits

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/indonesias-military-chief-defends-virginity-tests-female-recruits-n360626

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/17/407526194/indonesian-military-chief-defends-virginity-tests-for-female-recruits








The commander of Indonesia’s armed forces believes that invasive virginity tests for female recruits are a good thing and the only way to gauge the women’s morality.

Asked for his response to growing international condemnation of the practice, Gen. Moeldoko insisted to reporters at the State Palace in Jakarta on Friday that the so-called two-finger test was one of the requirements for women joining the Indonesian Military, or TNI.

“So what’s the problem? It’s a good thing, so why criticize it?” he said.

He conceded, though, that there was no direct link between a woman being a virgin and her abilities as a member of the armed forces, but insisted that virginity was a gauge of a woman’s morality – one of the three key traits he said a woman must have to serve in the TNI, along with high academic aptitude and physical strength.

The virginity test “is a measure of morality. There’s no other way” to determine a person’s morality, Moeldoko claimed.

His statements came a day after the group Human Rights Watch urged Indonesia to abolish the practice, pointing out that international treaties had described it as degrading and cruel.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/indonesian-military-chief-defends-two-finger-virginity-tests-for-female-recruits/



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"not stuck in the "old", outdated, violent traditions"...

Reading this thread on and off, I am coming to really appreciate some of the peaceful, moderate Muslims and want nothing more than to participate as equals in society. I have not read too many times where Muslims were afraid to criticize the extremists for there insane views (I had previously viewed the silence as support). It is refreshing to hear from your Muslims that, in fact, are vocal about believing in their faiths, but at the same time, able to stand up and say those extremists are not "us" (Islam) and do not represent "our" (Islamic) values.
I know it is not often that one changes their view or generalizations on entire group, therefore I think those of you that represent modern and peaceful Islam, not stuck in the "old", outdated, violent traditions. You have changed my views and I enjoy reading you well thought out, well-written responses.

Thank everybody involved in this important debate. I'm not much of a participator, but do follow this thread and have an open mind to opinions that traditionally have dissented from my own.

Blessing to everybody wishing for peace!
-tins

You may not understand the method used by Hitler, which is very similar to those who manipulate radical jihadists.

It is a method of pushing a little bit at a time, at the edges of comfort of the common person, until one day he finds himself in a new and evil world, which he helped create by his complacency. 

The hate is not toward hitler but toward the lazy and cowardly in each person, that allows them to be intimidated into doing a little bit wrong, then a little bit more wrong, over and over.

Since you quoted part of my post, I assume you are talking to me. My "personal take on religion?" The part about the two main laws is written in the Bible. You can go look.

Do I believe in Islam? I guess I believe it exists. Am I an Islmite? No, and I would consider myself a Christian, in the ways that the Bible expresses Christianity, not by the ways that other people may.

Want to point out the part(s) that you think are "a total pile of bullshit?" I had thought that it was quite recognizable as at least plausible, to anybody.

That is a total pile of bullshit named your personal take on religion.

I have many friends who grew up in and still (to varying degrees) believe in Islam.

I am curious, do you?

Your statement seemed that you either hate the religion or are spreading hate about Islam. This thread title itself is wrong. Nobody should hate anything is life as the word HATE has an intense meaning. It's OK to dislike someone or something but not HATE.

People who hate Islam or other people who are hated by Islam actually have no reason to hate but they are just taught to hate each other. It's this hatred which makes them commit a crime and not that they want to commit a crime. That's why we should hate the word "Hate" and not the actual person.

Hitler killed many innocent people but I still hate his thoughts that made him evil. I hate the evil in him and not him. He was not born evil but his thoughts made him evil. We should hate the evil in him that made him a bad person. If he had destroyed my family, I would hate his evil deeds as he did wrong. It would be wrong on my path if I did wrong to him because he did wrong to my family. It would make me a criminal. I might have felt like doing wrong but my conscious would stop me.


I don't know what you mean by people who are deeply Islamic and your comparison with Jesus and Christianity. Priests who I consider the preachers of God have themselves behaved badly towards me and my family. They showed hatred to me when I was a child. Hence I don't consider Christianity anywhere above Islam.





@blue: Love doesn't harm anyone except when it's blind love. You can spread love by not harming anyone emotionally or physically.

I did not choose to be born as a Christian. If I had to choose to be born as a Muslim, Christian or Hindu or any other religion, I would chose to not be born. If my religion was so good, why would priests rape innocent girls? Priests are supposed to be believers of Christ and they do wrong towards humans?

It may be true that those who have left Islam might have been punished. But those who punished them can't be called Muslims themselves. I don't consider evil people worthy of even being alive as they are cruel. It's because of such people that the entire religion is blamed while I know of those who are good and criticize these acts. They also are Muslims but their conscience doesn't tell them to be evil.


@red: When I say this, I don't care what happens to me next. I know there are some who get scared of criticizing their religion because of people who have blind faith.

Is telling the truth to spread love hate, or is telling lies to spread looove hate?

Most of us have a built in moral compass. You do not need to be a believer to see toward were the needle of your compass points to... Depending on your core religion dogma that needle will be boosted to a particular direction. If someone's direction is opposite to your needle then that particular system is incompatible to your core belief system, religious or not.


It is not that complicated. When was the last time you've got an urge to burn down the home of someone who left christianity behind to become an atheist or simply stop talking to that person?

"LOL! I am myself unhappy being a Christian as I don't believe in Christianity and those have blind faith in the Church"

When you say and think that, are you feeling threaten for your life or totally relaxed saying it? Just by simply reading my question and formulating an answer in your head you feel that great relief of how lucky you are to be a Christian, no matter the bad ones around you...

You're welcome.


 

You need to read the rest of this thread to see the many things that people have said for and against Islam.


I agree that hatred is a thing that harms the hater more than doing him good.

Hatred, alone, against Muslims won't earn anybody anything. Some people might profit off hatred against Muslims or Islam. Why do you say this. It is easily recognized. It is part of the reason that there is strife in the Middle East? There are those who are trying to profit off the hatred of Islam and Muslims.



You sound like you think that I hate Muslims or Islam. My statements about Islam an Muslims aren't hateful. They are simply fact as I see it. What this thread is about is why Islam hates people. So you might actually find some people speaking here who are hateful towards Islam as well.

Islam is a religion. Islam doesn't hate anybody or do anything at all until it gets into the hearts of people. Then it is the Muslim people who hate.

Because Islam is a religion that doesn't speak the salvation that Jesus provides, and because it preaches a works-righteousness salvation which is sending people to Hell, Islam really hates the people who convert to Islam the most >>> the Muslims. It doesn't hate anyone else until the Muslims who become deeply Islamic start to hate other people.

If you had been a person living in England when Hitler sent over his rockets that destroyed most of the city, and killed all kinds of British people, would you keep on loving Hitler if your family had been destroyed by him? It is difficult for people to keep from hating others who destroy their lives, even though the hatred mostly makes things worse.

And if he is doing that then I don't think there should be any problem with you cause everyone has the right to spread their own religion without "hating" the other religion.
It's still better than the Muslims in Arabian countries practicing their religion, at least Christian nations other non-Muslim nations don't object you from following your religion, but Islamic nations are the ones who even do not allow to practice your choice of religion.
How peaceful and liberating would this be in the long run!

LOL! I am myself unhappy being a Christian as I don't believe in Christianity and those have blind faith in the Church. I have seen so many Christians who just think about themselves and care a damn about others. *Show offs* No religion is good or bad but it's the person who is good/bad. Spreading hatred gets you hate in return and spreading love gets you love.

Actually, I don't think he "hate" Muslims. He want to "spread" hatred and tell "come to Christianity". (no offence)

Am I dreaming or you seriously said this  So much hatred towards Muslims or Islam won't earn you anything in life but hatred just kills a person's soul day by day. Leave the hatred and then you might change your perspective towards life and religions.