Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 114. (Read 437405 times)

Tell you what.  Since not just you but various others do want to debate "What is Islam", excluding from it various "Not True Islam" here is what I will do.  I will use the definition of Islam as asserted by Wikipedia.

This includes Sunni, Shia, Sufism, Ahmadiyya , Non-denominational Muslims, Ibadi, Mahdavia, Quranists, Yazdânism and  black Muslim movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Denominations

Obviously, this does include the various radical violent sects including Al Queda and ISIS.  But to distinguish them I will refer to them as "Radical Jihad Muslim/Islam."

Yep. I am showing us that the writings of Islam have enough violence directives in them that they can mix even good minded people up when they follow these writings.

I am also showing that the greatest thing that religions are for, is a way to gain eternal life in Heaven while avoiding death in Hell... the method for doing this is exactly opposite between Christianity and Islam. Islam says to do good things to avoid Hell and gain Heaven. Christianity says believe in the salvation of Jesus to get Heaven, and then be good out of love for God and your fellow man.

Since people can believe a whole lot easier than they can do the works, Islam is a religion of violence that hates Islamites by getting them to do violence by its words rather than live in peace like the Christian religion says. It's too bad Muhammed Zakir is so struck by blindness that he can't see that the peace of Islam is rooted in the violence that drags people into Hell.

You didn't come here earlier. If you did, you will understand what he is *really* doing.

If you mean that the media has a biased judgment, I don't think that it is a judgment about Islamic violence. I think that they (the media) say anything that they feel necessary to push people in directions they want them to go, for political and money purposes, of course.

Or were you talking about me having a bias judgment?

IYO either way muslims are bad and islam is bad.. what a bias judgement my friend!!!

Well, of course. The Buddhists learned about Islamic violence from the media, and set out to protect themselves and their people and their religion from it. Maybe Islamic violence isn't true. But you and the Buddhists can still hear about it on the media.

actually its buddists who attacked the muslims of those country... read again before spreading hate.

That's what happens when third world countries get TV and the Internet. They learn about Islamic violence, whether it exists or not.

Yes. Especially folks that don't have a clue what sect they belong to, but hate all religions. Hate creates violence after a while.

You might want to hate Buddhism too. http://time.com/3090990/how-an-extremist-buddhist-network-is-sowing-hatred-across-asia Buddhist monks have been inciting violence against the Muslim minorities in Burma and Sri Lanka. Last year dozens were killed in Burma and thousands displaced because of the 969 group.

thats a different point of view but thats your point of view. many may share the same, but many may not.
sects i believe are for more or less some kind of esteem or profits.
religion as a whole, probably not.

I honestly hate 99% of all religions (exception to Buddhism because Buddhists are chill as fuck) because most of them are used for control and have been used for the generation of profit.

no no shia is not a sect within islam, it goes very different from the fundamentals of islam. they dont follow the religion at all. they have a different one actually. but yes, i do agree with your point. everybody has their own point of view on various subject.

Well, peace be unto you, zeeshsnrehman2.

That is remarkably similar to the fashion in which various Christian sects will argue that Catholicism is not Christianity, because "the last prophet" would be the current Pope.  I'm simplifying a bit, but it is essentially the same.

As an atheist, I have a somewhat detached view of these ideas.  So you won't find me arguing that shia is or is not Islam and the like.  I guess I'd view Islam as a very broad phenomena, incorporating many with different ideas - if you wanted my point of view.  Anyway, from that perspective, Shia would certainly be included.

This is not very different from saying that the Western world has a "Judeo-Christian" basis.  It does not mean any particular sect, just that those broad ideas are at the basis of morality, ethics, justice and permeate popular culture.

Similarly, I do think we could talk about an "Islamic worldview" or an "Islamic culture."  But that's just my view, there is certainly no need for you to adopt it.

if you ask all muslim who is their last prophet they will say : Muhammad (pbuh)
if you ask any Shia who their last prophet is they will say Ali (pbuh)
if you ask Khajani's who their last prophet is they will say Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Khajjani

there are about 72 sects in Islam, all created by people  from different regions but comes to the same point, there were 144,000 approx prophets who came to earth, the last one is Muhammad (pbuh) and Allah is the sole God.

shia, khajanis, deobandis, koja, they are not believers of Islam, since they dont read the Quraan itself but some other books.

Shia is not muslim?

That's news to me.

why are you always on these claim when it has been several times proven that terrorism is NOT muslim. its NOT islam.?

Shia are NOT muslims.

Sharia? show me the book of Shariah, the book of the Shariah Law. it doesnt exists. it was a Constitution 1400years ago

City in the sky: world's biggest hotel to open in Mecca

The holy city is fast becoming a Las Vegas for pilgrims, thanks to the new £2.3bn megahotel that has four helipads, five floors for Saudi royalty – and 10,000 bedrooms







Four helipads will cluster around one of the largest domes in the world, like sideplates awaiting the unveiling of a momentous main course, which will be jacked up 45 storeys into the sky above the deserts of Mecca. It is the crowning feature of the holy city’s crowning glory, the superlative summit of what will be the world’s largest hotel when it opens in 2017.

With 10,000 bedrooms and 70 restaurants, plus five floors for the sole use of the Saudi royal family, the £2.3bn Abraj Kudai is an entire city of five-star luxury, catering to the increasingly high expectations of well-heeled pilgrims from the Gulf.

Modelled on a “traditional desert fortress”, seemingly filtered through the eyes of a Disneyland imagineer with classical pretensions, the steroidal scheme comprises 12 towers teetering on top of a 10-storey podium, which houses a bus station, shopping mall, food courts, conference centre and a lavishly appointed ballroom.

Located in the Manafia district, just over a mile south of the Grand Mosque, the complex is funded by the Saudi Ministry of Finance and designed by the Dar Al-Handasah group, a 7,000-strong global construction conglomerate that turns its hand to everything from designing cities in Kazakhstan to airports in Dubai. For the Abraj Kudai, it has followed the wedding-cake pastiche style of the city’s recent hotel boom: cornice is piled upon cornice, with fluted pink pilasters framing blue-mirrored windows, some arched with a vaguely Ottoman air. The towers seem to be packed so closely together that guests will be able to enjoy views into each other’s rooms.



http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2015/may/22/worlds-biggest-hotel-to-open-in-mecca




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I understand it is islamophobic and racist to even ask why you need to convert to islam to have a reservation in this hotel. Fine. Does anyone need to convert to chrisitianity before visiting the vatican? I am sure it is the case but can't find any links on that subject... Google must be broken...

 

Well it certainly does look like some people would blame all the crazy radical Islamic violence on the CIA and such.  Gosh, they must be in a lot of places at the same time.   Let's look at just the last couple days.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle.  Those who follow him are harsh
 to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  Quran 48:29

2015.05.25 (Gubio, Nigeria) - Children are among dozens killed after Boko Haram briefly takes over a small village.
2015.05.25 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Two Hazara religious minorities are murdered in a Sunni drive-by.
2015.05.25 (Zabul, Afghanistan) - Two women are among five killed in a massive suicide truck bombing that leaves over seventy others wounded.
2015.05.23 (Gilan, Afghanistan) - A family of four, including two children, is neatly disassembled by a well-placed Taliban bomb.
2015.05.23 (Baiji, Iraq) - Caliphate members slit the throats of sixteen traders transporting food into a city.
2015.05.22 (Jwamda-Kobla, Nigeria) - Sharia proponents sneak into a village and slaughter ten residents with knives.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/