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June 04, 2015, 06:12:11 PM
Islam doesn't do anything at all, whatever it may be. Islam can't do anything. It is when Islam gets into the hearts and minds of people that Islam does something. So, it is the people who are doing it, not Islam.

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If this were true, then there is nothing wrong with Mein Kampf.  There is nothing wrong with Justine, by the Marquis de Sade.  There is nothing wrong with cartoons of Mohammed.  There is nothing wrong with an order by a leader of ISIS to behead a hundred children.  They are all just pieces of paper or images on a screen, after all.



Not only what I said above, but the converse.

If this were true, then Islam cannot be "good."  It cannot be the "perfect religion."

Because it's just pieces of paper.  They cannot have attributes such as "good."  Only people can.
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June 04, 2015, 11:19:50 AM



Mipsterz: a space for Muslim hipsters







(CNN)Ever heard of "Mipsterz"?


The term originated in 2012 with a small group of friends in New York who jokingly called themselves Muslim hipsters. Though they hesitated to form an official group -- "hipster rule number one: never self-identify as a hipster" -- Mipsterz quickly evolved into an online community, and the group has garnered international attention.

Much of that attention came in the form of a heated debate in 2013, amid the huge popularity of one of its videos featuring women wearing hijabs.

The video, shot in Los Angeles and New York, shows young Muslim women taking selfies, skateboarding, fencing and eating ice cream -- doing all the things that young people like to do. Layla Shaikley, the video's art director and one of the women prominently featured in the video, says it was meant to serve as a "self-biography" for people outside of their community.

The response to the video was passionate on both sides. Supporters applauded its depiction of young Muslim women expressing themselves. Detractors shamed the women for participating, saying the video objectified them, according to Abbas Rattani, producer of the video and co-founder of Mipsterz. Others argued that the video just showed Muslim women trying too hard to fit in.

"We're so incredibly obsessed with appearing 'normal' or 'American' or 'Western' by way of what we do and what we wear that we undercut the actual abnormality of our communities. ... And in all of this, we might just lose that which makes us unique: our substance," Sana Saeed wrote in The Islamic Monthly.

Despite the controversy -- or maybe because of it -- Mipsterz eventually made it out to the suburbs. Parents of Muslim children started reaching out to the group, Rattani says. Their kids felt foreign at times, the parents said, but after the video went viral, their classmates saw that being Muslim could be cool. Some even wanted to be Mipsters themselves, Rattani remembers hearing.

"Mipsterz has created a space where young Muslims can have open discussions, share their experiences and not be ashamed of who they are," Shaikley says.

Though the group's goal is not to address Islamophobia, "in a way, we are sort of combating Islamophobia by just being ourselves," Rattani says.

Thousands of Muslims and people of other faiths have joined the online community, which exists as a Facebook group and a group email list. But they don't all agree on the definition of a Mipster.

Shaikley describes a Mipster as "a young Muslim American just trying to find a space for themselves unapologetically ... reconciling multiple identities and doing it like a rock star."

Rattani is less comfortable committing to one definition, calling it "abstract."

"We don't take ourselves too seriously, and we love individuality."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/living/mipsterz-muslim-hipsters/?sr=tw060315mipsterz7pVODtopPhoto



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I wish you well Mipsterz! And stay safe from the islamomophobist fatwas...


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June 04, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

...
8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.

To expand your list listen read up or get podcasts about history of the ancient world, and the history of Rome.  The twenty-first century has been relatively peaceful compared to that.  In spite of the militants in Africa and the 163 per million homicide rate.

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June 04, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
Islam doesn't do anything at all, whatever it may be. Islam can't do anything. It is when Islam gets into the hearts and minds of people that Islam does something. So, it is the people who are doing it, not Islam.

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If this were true, then there is nothing wrong with Mein Kampf.  There is nothing wrong with Justine, by the Marquis de Sade.  There is nothing wrong with cartoons of Mohammed.  There is nothing wrong with an order by a leader of ISIS to behead a hundred children.  They are all just pieces of paper or images on a screen, after all.



Congratulations! You are finally getting it. There is nothing wrong with any particular thing at all. The wrongness comes about when mankind does wrong to other mankind. Other than that it doesn't really matter.

When you apply this to government of any kind, be it the religion-government of Islam, or be it any other nation of the world, all there is, is people. That's all that really counts.

That guy sleeps, eats, drinks water, breathes air, etc., just like I do. He can read all the law, or all the porno he wants. But even if he is the king of the world, he is just like me. The moment he harms me and does me wrong, that's the moment to focus on.

The writings of man may suggest wrong. But it isn't wrong until it harms the "me" of one of us, the "me" that exists in each of us.

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June 04, 2015, 08:00:50 AM
Islam doesn't do anything at all, whatever it may be. Islam can't do anything. It is when Islam gets into the hearts and minds of people that Islam does something. So, it is the people who are doing it, not Islam.

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If this were true, then there is nothing wrong with Mein Kampf.  There is nothing wrong with Justine, by the Marquis de Sade.  There is nothing wrong with cartoons of Mohammed.  There is nothing wrong with an order by a leader of ISIS to behead a hundred children.  They are all just pieces of paper or images on a screen, after all.

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June 03, 2015, 11:49:25 PM
In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".

He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

Was he a Muslim

3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"

He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

Was he a Muslim

4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"

He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle

He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

Why

Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".

Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not
mean killing innocents.

The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".

You still think that ISLAM is the problem

1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).

6. The War in Iraq (so far) 12,000,000 deaths
(caused by non-Muslim).

7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-Muslim).

8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.
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June 01, 2015, 08:26:51 AM
Islam doesn't do anything at all, whatever it may be. Islam can't do anything. It is when Islam gets into the hearts and minds of people that Islam does something. So, it is the people who are doing it, not Islam.

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June 01, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
Why do islam hates people? Maybe people hate islam. It may seem silly but it is not...
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June 01, 2015, 01:00:20 AM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.

So you are telling they were forced to fight with ISI? Undecided
That would be more or less expected.  "Join/convert or be killed."

Do you realize this is just a speculation?
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May 31, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.

So you are telling they were forced to fight with ISI? Undecided
That would be more or less expected.  "Join/convert or be killed."

Yep and that's what makes this situation so fucked up.
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May 31, 2015, 07:24:39 PM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.

So you are telling they were forced to fight with ISI? Undecided
That would be more or less expected.  "Join/convert or be killed."
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May 31, 2015, 05:31:08 PM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.

So you are telling they were forced to fight with ISI? Undecided


Lol, this thread still lives...did any of you Muslims eat some pork while I was away ? Smiley
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May 31, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
Religious activities depend HUGELY on the INTERPRETATION of the reader. So, Islam or Christianity or Buddhism teach whatever you interpret out of the words.
Well that's the very core of the problem. People interpret it into whatever suits them at any given time and claim they are just following their book.
In other words, people can do what the hell they like and push the responsibility off themselves.

Dangerous.



Here's a problem with this point of view.  If  you assert that "Islam can't HATE" then "Islam can't LOVE."  Because only people can do those things, right?

Well, then, Mein Kampf is neither good nor bad.

Written directives of ISIS telling it's soldiers to do atrocities are neither good or bad.


I don't follow how the first example proves the second and third examples impossible. If we assert Islam can't love or hate because it is inanimate and those are emotions people have, that has no bearing on a value judgement of written works. The analogy is not analogous.
Why?  The others are all inanimate objects, too.  That is my very point.



Because love and hate are verbs, and good and bad are adjectives. It's not an analogy because good and bad are judgments, not actions. The first example doesn't relate to the second because the first example you're saying 'Islam can't do these things, therefore Mein Kampf can't be these things.' It doesn't follow.
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May 31, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.

So you are telling they were forced to fight with ISI? Undecided
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May 31, 2015, 10:58:15 AM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.

After Germany invaded Poland, and later France, countless of the male population of those countries were forced to fight on the German uniform.
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May 31, 2015, 10:21:22 AM
No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.

There have been some claims that a few Western nationals of Christian background have traveled to Syria, to fight with ISIS. But the evidence indicates that they converted to Islam, to become acceptable to the ISIS. Also, there are a few people who converted to Islam in the prisons, fighting with ISIS right now.
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May 31, 2015, 09:48:16 AM
You still think ISIS and other such groups are doing Islamic. They are Muslims and doing jihads. Bla bla bla... Undecided

This is one of the proof there are non-Muslims in these groups. They are just paychos. No Islam, no religion, no good humanity just eager to get money and power.

No, your link is not proof there are non_muslims in the ISIS groups.  There is no mention of the religion of the man in that story that I saw.
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