Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 152. (Read 437405 times)

these religious topics should be locked. i believe it is not making people learn the religion but spreading more hate and more misunderstanding amongst each other.

This is perceptive.   Many religions have vanished because they were not adaptable to changed times.  Many of the North American Indian religious are in this category.  But some, that were flexibly designed, survive today, like the Navajo.

Christianity is extremely adaptable - turn the other cheek, be industrious and fair, in five or ten generations you own the land.

Islam I think also exhibits this adaptability.  When the conditions faced call for war, the book supports it.  When conditions call for peace, the book supports it.  Clerics can and do pick and choose what they use.  This doesn't make it a "perfect book" as some here have suggested, that's ridiculous.

Islam as practiced in some lands exhibits a 7th century medieval attitude - brutal, violent and totally oppressive - even as the people babble about it being a religion of peace.  It is of course their peaceful submission they refer to. 

No medieval Caliphate will rule the world.  People of Islam will either pull themselves out of poverty and ignorance, and get with the 21st century or their religion will shrink.  More of Islam will be hijacked by extremists - look at what has happened to the phrase Allah Akbar.

There is a very big question here. The question is,"Are violent Muslim extremists really Muslim? Or are they only saying that they are Muslim? Are they lying or mistaken when they say that they are Muslim?"

The Quran and Hadith have words that suggest that Islamites should be violent against people of other religions, and against traitors among the Islam religion who leave it. These writings also have words that speak about peace, both for Muslims, and at times, for people of other religions somewhat. Because of this, Islam can be a very mixed up religion, depending on whose interpretation of Quran and Hadith words you listen to.

Part of the answer is that that Islam is a poorly written religion. The violent words of Islam seem to suggest hate for people who are not Muslim. The non-violent words seem to suggest love for Muslims, but little love for people of other religions. This makes Islam the perfect religion for violent extremists of every nation.

Now, here is another BIG question. Were the writings of the Quran and Hadith intentionally written this way? The Hadith was, because the writers of the Hadith received their information from the Quran. What was the intent of the writer of the Quran? Did Muhammad write with sly, mixed intent? If Allah wrote the Quran, is Allah the biggest tricker of men ever?

Whatever the purpose of the writings of Islam, they are mixed up enough that people can see the hate as well as the love. This duplicity of Islam suggests either that it is a stupid religion, or that it was deceptively designed to be hateful.

Right, since I have shown that you advocate violence in the name of Islam and that Islam is a violent religion (cutting off hands/feet/stoning women)

.... just lock the thread and run away!

Problem solved!

Just a suggestion, I think this thread has got enough points/statements. So isn't it good to lock this thread?

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I might not post here like I used it. Don't think it is because I can't answer your questions and/or arguments. My English is poor and I can't express what is in my mind through English which makes it worse than better. It will be easy if I know English better or you know Malayalam(my mother tounge/local language).

It was good debating with you. I also got some new knowledge. Thank you all! Looking forward to meet you in other threads of this forum or in other places of great virtual world or even in greatest, real world. Best of luck!

These type of posts obviously say laws are unjust for Muslims. What muslims do is religious violence and people from other religions do is communal violence.

To your doubt: Even in Wikipedia, it is mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India.

Communal violence is religious violence if religions involve in it and it is obvious, what I said do have it.

I hope you know the difference between communal riots and terrorism on the name of religion.
What you are talking about, the "Sikhs, Hindus, etcetc" have also attacked are a part of communal riots.

Even an extemist muslim doesn't have any commands from Islam to kill innocents.


You can't find an extremist like in the time of Prophet(PBUH). More years pass, the less Islamic belief you see. An Islamite will pray at most of his time and don't bother doing most other things. No "real" Islamite hate others. Hurting a person when you hate him/her is questionable in the day of judgement.


The problem is people who want to do bad things brainwash others by changing Islam. They ain't Islamite even by practice or by definition.

That's true.  I can't hate Islam because I don't care about Islam (from one point of view this is WORSE than caring about it.)

I can't hate gays and gay marriage because I couldn't care less about gays and gay marriage.

Those Islam dudes tossing the gays off the tall buildings, they are haters.  It would seem.

The Islam judge or cleric ordering someone's hand to be cut off is probably not a hater, but is certainly representing the violence of Islam.

Okay. But still there are many reasons for killing a person, everything isn't violence when you consider about life, however, by definition, every thing(religion and law - incl. islam) have few things which looks like violence.

 But where does Islam hates "people"? Islam doesn't hate non-muslims because they aren't muslims. This is where I don't get you and/or others.

This is the best point. The only time anybody can hate, is when they become involved deeply. You don't hate things that you are not involved with, or that you know very little about.

Islam is a religion. It is a system of belief. Islam itself doesn't do anything, good, bad or indifferent, until it gets into the hearts and minds of people.

People who simply practice some aspects of a religion, may not be that religion. But people who become deeply involved with that religion, actually become the religion they are deeply involved with. This is the time that the religion does something. When people become involved with it... not before.

What will an Islamite do who is deeply involved with his religion?
Is a violent Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a hateful Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a loving Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a peaceful Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?

Islam doesn't do anything without people being involved.
People are not Islam if they are only involved in Islam a little... even if they SAY that they are deeply involved.


And the big one... Do people who are deeply involved in Islam actually change Islam into something that it is not - in their minds and hearts - because Islam is too good for them to accept, or because it is too bad for them to except?

Okay. Understood what you werr saying. Only isn't good, however. Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews etc..., all have attacked in the name of religion. But whether it was really a religious attack or an imitation is yet to be discussed. 98% is still wrong in this point of view.

Okay, fine.  But you'll just have to admit you were wrong on "Islam does not tell people to kill" and "Islam is not violent."

Again, "Islam hates" is different.  A judge in a courtroom is unlikely to be hating when he sentences someone.  At least he should not.

What you pointed and what other people say about Islamic violence is different. Frankly, I like that punishment as it will protect many people. In a country without these punishments, people won't have enough fear when committing.

 I try my best to view in their view when replying. I think like redsn0w mentioned. If some people do bad things, you shouldn't blame the religion/community/country.

I think you mistook me.
I excluded the US cause they don't do it in the name of the religion, but yes, they are no less to terrorists, they are worse than the people in the middle east, I was just talking about the crimes that are done on the name of religion, and that's why I excluded US. US is included in the domain of terrorists but if you apply the function of crimes done on the name of religion then in the range you'll only get Muslims.

Then you can see how your opponents in this discussion are right when they say "Islam is violent."  Now, notice that "Islam hates" is a very different thing.

Thank you! This isn't widely practiced one though.

No, I said "understand" not "admitted". In your point of you, it is violence. However, I think sometimes it is good to keep other humans secure.

Noticed I said practiced.


You admit this is violence dictated by Islam.

You admit you approve of these violent methods as proscribed in the Koran.

You admit the Islam is a violent religion.

NOTE:  I understand your viewpoint is that acts of violence by society against rule breakers might lower overall violence.  However, this only proves that Islam is violent.

The above chart looks impressive. However, it is hard to judge based on one kind of chart.

If a country and its people are free, aren't they going to be able to do more things freely? Some of those things are going to be good, and some of them will be bad.

In free countries, does the media and government give more accurate, truthful information to statisticians who make charts than in non-free countries?

I understand this view too. FYI: Stoning and these things are also mentioned in Bible.


Good to know. Thanks for telling.

First of all, what is the meaning of innocent?

"Free from moral wrong;without sin;pure."

"Free from legal wrong; guiltless."

"Not involving evil intent or motive;harmless."

Do you think cheating a spouse is innocence? I don't think so.

Why I like some of the punishments are because:

• Will decrease cheatings.
• Will help people as it decrease theft.
• Will help women and childer to be safe as it decreases rape and sexual violence.
• Will help people to be safe as it decreases many evil things.

See the comparison of rapes in different countries, for example.



Comparison of selected countries' reported rape rates, 2012.

You can see rape at the national level, number of police-recorded offenses - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics