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January 09, 2015, 10:27:19 PM
Attempt at moral equivalency fails.  The entire Islam religion hates gays. ...

And the Bible says kill disobedient children with a stone, don't be gay, never eat shellfish or you are an abomination. Yes, religions are all nuts. Your not supposed to be gay in Islam either, but some people are gay. They always have been and always will be. Religion is about people trying to control other people.

The Bible things listed above are Old Testament things, written for the nation of Israel, only. Why for them? Because they asked God for it at the time that God gave them the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.

Stop obeying the Old Testament laws as though they were meant for you, unless, of course, you adhere to them. Rather, obey the New Testament laws of love. Where the strict laws exist in the N.T., they exist as common sense guides. I mean, if you get a butcher's knife out of the drawer, and stab yourself in the arm with it, you will bleed. N.T. laws are laws of nature, that affect you, the nature around them.

Your personal religion is the way you live your life, the things you "religiously" do day in and day out. Everyone's religion is nuts in some ways for certain other people. It is true that, most of the time, in any relations between people, they are always trying to control others at least a little. It is our automatic religious nature.

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That's where you fail mr BADecker. You cannot cherrypick the bible, or any other "holybook" for that matter. If you define yourself as Christian, then the entire bible is of importance to you, not just the new testament.

I agree, the old testament is 100% rubbish, but it being 100% rubbish proves that the entire bible is 100% rubbish. For such a "good" god to give such laws to the Israelites, is despicable. I read the new testament for it's emphasis on love, which I like. But I know the bible itself is false by nature.

And your failure is in thinking that it might be any other way than you said, for true Christians. No "cherrypicking" allowed.

The O.T. is NOT rubbish. That isn't what I said. It is what you said. The O.T. has many examples for righteous living that we ALL can use.

The major points of the O.T. are:
1. The promise of the Messiah, the Savior, Who came in the person of Jesus Christ of the N.T.;
2. Examples of good that happens to those who believe God, and evil that happens to those who don't believe Him (Note: A person acts according to what he believes.);
3. Prophesies of what is coming on the earth, that we can all take warning from.

You misunderstand. The Universe was made to be perfect. Mankind threw away the perfection in the Garden when they ate the fruit. Jesus maintained the perfection of the universe since He is God as well as man. The maintaining of that perfection includes keeping the perfection while at the same time perfectly giving people the imperfection that they so eagerly desire - like the imperfection that you show that you desire when you attempt to fight God rather than simply going along with Him and His plan of perfection. God's job is not an easy job. But God can do it, because He is God Almighty.

It isn't the Bible that is false by nature. It is you who are false by nature. If you weren't, you just might be able to see the greatness of God, shining through the wonders in nature and the Bible.

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It seems you have not read the bible. Can you justify these laws and acts, commanded onto the Israelites & Moses by God?

1) God will kill any priest that leaves the tabernacle. Leviticus 10:7
2) If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by by drinking "wine or strong drink," then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." "It shall be a statute for ever." Leviticus 10:9
3) God warns Aaron that he might have to burn him to death like he did his sons. Leviticus (10:1-2) 16:1-2
4) If you refuse to kill someone who gives his seed to Molech, God set his face against you and your family. Leviticus 20:4-5
5) Both parties in adultery shall be executed. Leviticus 20:10
6) If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both.Leviticus  20:11
7) If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. Leviticus 20:12
Cool Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. Leviticus 24:16

Those 8 are just a few examples of the extreme and utter cruelty found in the Old Testament portion of the Bible. There is no justifying those acts commanded by "God", and so, the only reasonable answers as to why a "good god" would give such laws to his people is

1) He is not a good god, but a evil one.
2) He does not exist and it is all made up.

God made the earth and the universe. You have the freedom to use the Internet. You have food and water, and clothing and shelter. God is a good God for giving this all to you, or at least making it available.

All the strict laws that God gave through Moses in the First 5 books of the Bible, are laws of perfection. Perfection is life. Imperfection is an example of something that is not working correctly. Imperfection means death.

The Bible sites you listed above are not simply things listed according to your simple words preceding the sites. In context, they make some of the best laws for everyone to live by. To see this, all you need do is take a look at America, the poverty, the pain, the pollution, etc., all things that are happening because the people will not obey the laws. God didn't want this trouble for His favored people, ancient Israel. This is why He gave them the best laws.

The direct reason why God gave these good laws to the people was because they asked for them. Exodus 20:18,19
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When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”

The things and laws that God gave Moses are a pattern of the things in Heaven, before the throne of God - Hebrews 8:5,6:
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They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
What other nation is there that has been given things that are a pattern of things in Heaven?

So, why are you fighting against the good things of God in your heart? However, you have the freedom to do so if you so desire. But, if you continue to fight against the good things of God, you will only wind up destroying yourself. Don't be like the ancient people of Israel were so often - Hebrews 10:39:
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But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

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January 09, 2015, 09:25:25 PM
Attempt at moral equivalency fails.  The entire Islam religion hates gays. ...

And the Bible says kill disobedient children with a stone, don't be gay, never eat shellfish or you are an abomination. Yes, religions are all nuts. Your not supposed to be gay in Islam either, but some people are gay. They always have been and always will be. Religion is about people trying to control other people.

The Bible things listed above are Old Testament things, written for the nation of Israel, only. Why for them? Because they asked God for it at the time that God gave them the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.

Stop obeying the Old Testament laws as though they were meant for you, unless, of course, you adhere to them. Rather, obey the New Testament laws of love. Where the strict laws exist in the N.T., they exist as common sense guides. I mean, if you get a butcher's knife out of the drawer, and stab yourself in the arm with it, you will bleed. N.T. laws are laws of nature, that affect you, the nature around them.

Your personal religion is the way you live your life, the things you "religiously" do day in and day out. Everyone's religion is nuts in some ways for certain other people. It is true that, most of the time, in any relations between people, they are always trying to control others at least a little. It is our automatic religious nature.

Smiley

That's where you fail mr BADecker. You cannot cherrypick the bible, or any other "holybook" for that matter. If you define yourself as Christian, then the entire bible is of importance to you, not just the new testament.

I agree, the old testament is 100% rubbish, but it being 100% rubbish proves that the entire bible is 100% rubbish. For such a "good" god to give such laws to the Israelites, is despicable. I read the new testament for it's emphasis on love, which I like. But I know the bible itself is false by nature.

And your failure is in thinking that it might be any other way than you said, for true Christians. No "cherrypicking" allowed.

The O.T. is NOT rubbish. That isn't what I said. It is what you said. The O.T. has many examples for righteous living that we ALL can use.

The major points of the O.T. are:
1. The promise of the Messiah, the Savior, Who came in the person of Jesus Christ of the N.T.;
2. Examples of good that happens to those who believe God, and evil that happens to those who don't believe Him (Note: A person acts according to what he believes.);
3. Prophesies of what is coming on the earth, that we can all take warning from.

You misunderstand. The Universe was made to be perfect. Mankind threw away the perfection in the Garden when they ate the fruit. Jesus maintained the perfection of the universe since He is God as well as man. The maintaining of that perfection includes keeping the perfection while at the same time perfectly giving people the imperfection that they so eagerly desire - like the imperfection that you show that you desire when you attempt to fight God rather than simply going along with Him and His plan of perfection. God's job is not an easy job. But God can do it, because He is God Almighty.

It isn't the Bible that is false by nature. It is you who are false by nature. If you weren't, you just might be able to see the greatness of God, shining through the wonders in nature and the Bible.

Smiley

It seems you have not read the bible. Can you justify these laws and acts, commanded onto the Israelites & Moses by God?

1) God will kill any priest that leaves the tabernacle. Leviticus 10:7
2) If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by by drinking "wine or strong drink," then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." "It shall be a statute for ever." Leviticus 10:9
3) God warns Aaron that he might have to burn him to death like he did his sons. Leviticus (10:1-2) 16:1-2
4) If you refuse to kill someone who gives his seed to Molech, God set his face against you and your family. Leviticus 20:4-5
5) Both parties in adultery shall be executed. Leviticus 20:10
6) If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both.Leviticus  20:11
7) If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. Leviticus 20:12
Cool Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. Leviticus 24:16

Those 8 are just a few examples of the extreme and utter cruelty found in the Old Testament portion of the Bible. There is no justifying those acts commanded by "God", and so, the only reasonable answers as to why a "good god" would give such laws to his people is

1) He is not a good god, but a evil one.
2) He does not exist and it is all made up.
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January 09, 2015, 07:40:27 PM


Hacker group Anonymous have released a video and a statement via Twitter condemning the attacks on Charlie Hebdo, in which 12 people, including eight journalists, were murdered.
The video description says that it is "a message for al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and other terrorists", and was uploaded to the group's Belgian account.
In the clip, a figure wearing the group's symbolic Guy Fawkes mask is seated in front of a desk with the hashtag #OpCharlieHebdo - which stands for Operation Charlie Hebdo - featured on screen.
The figure, whose voice is obscured says: "We are declaring war against you, the terrorists."
They add that the group will track down and close all accounts on social networks related to terrorists in order to avenge those who have been killed.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11335676/Hacktivists-Anonymous-says-it-will-avenge-Charlie-Hebdo-attacks-by-shutting-down-jihadist-websites.html


Here is Ali's take on these events. 

http://aina.org/news/20150108000006.htm

How to Answer the Paris Terror Attack
By Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Wall Street Journal

If there is a lesson to be drawn from such a grisly episode, it is that what we believe about Islam truly doesn't matter. This type of violence, jihad, is what they, the Islamists, believe.

There are numerous calls to violent jihad in the Quran. But the Quran is hardly alone. In too much of Islam, jihad is a thoroughly modern concept. The 20th-century jihad "bible," and an animating work for many Islamist groups today, is "The Quranic Concept of War," a book written in the mid-1970s by Pakistani Gen. S.K. Malik. He argues that because God, Allah, himself authored every word of the Quran, the rules of war contained in the Quran are of a higher caliber than the rules developed by mere mortals.

In Malik's analysis of Quranic strategy, the human soul--and not any physical battlefield--is the center of conflict. The key to victory, taught by Allah through the military campaigns of the Prophet Muhammad, is to strike at the soul of your enemy. And the best way to strike at your enemy's soul is through terror. Terror, Malik writes, is "the point where the means and the end meet." Terror, he adds, "is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose."
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January 09, 2015, 03:14:18 PM



'Hacktivist' group Anonymous says it will avenge Charlie Hebdo attacks by shutting down jihadist websites

Hacker group Anonymous have released a video condemning the Paris attacks, saying "freedom of expression has suffered an inhuman assault"





Hacker group Anonymous have released a video and a statement via Twitter condemning the attacks on Charlie Hebdo, in which 12 people, including eight journalists, were murdered.
The video description says that it is "a message for al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and other terrorists", and was uploaded to the group's Belgian account.
In the clip, a figure wearing the group's symbolic Guy Fawkes mask is seated in front of a desk with the hashtag #OpCharlieHebdo - which stands for Operation Charlie Hebdo - featured on screen.
The figure, whose voice is obscured says: "We are declaring war against you, the terrorists."
They add that the group will track down and close all accounts on social networks related to terrorists in order to avenge those who have been killed.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11335676/Hacktivists-Anonymous-says-it-will-avenge-Charlie-Hebdo-attacks-by-shutting-down-jihadist-websites.html



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January 09, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
"Thanks Christian zealots! I could never succeed in driving a wedge between Muslims and Christians without your hatred. Your the best players on my team and your posts are all I ever wanted."
Love, Abu Bakar Al-Bagdadi  Kiss

Thank you. I have never been called a Christian zealot before. I think I'm going to have a badge made.

 Cheesy
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January 09, 2015, 12:49:13 PM
We are now in a state of open racial and cultural war that was initiated by muslims and arabs. Next time you see a fucking muslim arab whore, they are fair game.
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January 09, 2015, 12:25:11 PM
"Thanks Christian zealots! I could never succeed in driving a wedge between Muslims and Christians without your hatred. Your the best players on my team and your posts are all I ever wanted."
Love, Abu Bakar Al-Bagdadi  Kiss
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January 09, 2015, 12:22:09 PM
If you are not a programmer, imagine that you are for a moment. You spend days working on a program. The thing flops because you made a little mistake. It is detailed enough that you can't find the mistake. You get mad and trash the whole thing and start over.

God made this program, the universe, perfect. Creatures (humans) in the universe that were not supposed to bring imperfection, but were given the self-ness just like God, voluntarily crashed the perfection. God was angry with them. But how could He continue in His anger when they had the self-ness of God Himself?

The answer? Save the any of the humans who want to be saved for the new universe (program) He is making.

That's what God is doing for us. The Bible is the method He is using to show us what He is doing, and the hows and whys of the way He is doing it.

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January 09, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Attempt at moral equivalency fails.  The entire Islam religion hates gays. ...

And the Bible says kill disobedient children with a stone, don't be gay, never eat shellfish or you are an abomination. Yes, religions are all nuts. Your not supposed to be gay in Islam either, but some people are gay. They always have been and always will be. Religion is about people trying to control other people.

The Bible things listed above are Old Testament things, written for the nation of Israel, only. Why for them? Because they asked God for it at the time that God gave them the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.

Stop obeying the Old Testament laws as though they were meant for you, unless, of course, you adhere to them. Rather, obey the New Testament laws of love. Where the strict laws exist in the N.T., they exist as common sense guides. I mean, if you get a butcher's knife out of the drawer, and stab yourself in the arm with it, you will bleed. N.T. laws are laws of nature, that affect you, the nature around them.

Your personal religion is the way you live your life, the things you "religiously" do day in and day out. Everyone's religion is nuts in some ways for certain other people. It is true that, most of the time, in any relations between people, they are always trying to control others at least a little. It is our automatic religious nature.

Smiley

That's where you fail mr BADecker. You cannot cherrypick the bible, or any other "holybook" for that matter. If you define yourself as Christian, then the entire bible is of importance to you, not just the new testament.

I agree, the old testament is 100% rubbish, but it being 100% rubbish proves that the entire bible is 100% rubbish. For such a "good" god to give such laws to the Israelites, is despicable. I read the new testament for it's emphasis on love, which I like. But I know the bible itself is false by nature.

And your failure is in thinking that it might be any other way than you said, for true Christians. No "cherrypicking" allowed.

The O.T. is NOT rubbish. That isn't what I said. It is what you said. The O.T. has many examples for righteous living that we ALL can use.

The major points of the O.T. are:
1. The promise of the Messiah, the Savior, Who came in the person of Jesus Christ of the N.T.;
2. Examples of good that happens to those who believe God, and evil that happens to those who don't believe Him (Note: A person acts according to what he believes.);
3. Prophesies of what is coming on the earth, that we can all take warning from.

You misunderstand. The Universe was made to be perfect. Mankind threw away the perfection in the Garden when they ate the fruit. Jesus maintained the perfection of the universe since He is God as well as man. The maintaining of that perfection includes keeping the perfection while at the same time perfectly giving people the imperfection that they so eagerly desire - like the imperfection that you show that you desire when you attempt to fight God rather than simply going along with Him and His plan of perfection. God's job is not an easy job. But God can do it, because He is God Almighty.

It isn't the Bible that is false by nature. It is you who are false by nature. If you weren't, you just might be able to see the greatness of God, shining through the wonders in nature and the Bible.

Smiley
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January 09, 2015, 11:52:43 AM
Attempt at moral equivalency fails.  The entire Islam religion hates gays. ...

And the Bible says kill disobedient children with a stone, don't be gay, never eat shellfish or you are an abomination. Yes, religions are all nuts. Your not supposed to be gay in Islam either, but some people are gay. They always have been and always will be. Religion is about people trying to control other people.

The Bible things listed above are Old Testament things, written for the nation of Israel, only. Why for them? Because they asked God for it at the time that God gave them the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.

Stop obeying the Old Testament laws as though they were meant for you, unless, of course, you adhere to them. Rather, obey the New Testament laws of love. Where the strict laws exist in the N.T., they exist as common sense guides. I mean, if you get a butcher's knife out of the drawer, and stab yourself in the arm with it, you will bleed. N.T. laws are laws of nature, that affect you, the nature around them.

Your personal religion is the way you live your life, the things you "religiously" do day in and day out. Everyone's religion is nuts in some ways for certain other people. It is true that, most of the time, in any relations between people, they are always trying to control others at least a little. It is our automatic religious nature.

Smiley

That's where you fail mr BADecker. You cannot cherrypick the bible, or any other "holybook" for that matter. If you define yourself as Christian, then the entire bible is of importance to you, not just the new testament.

I agree, the old testament is 100% rubbish, but it being 100% rubbish proves that the entire bible is 100% rubbish. For such a "good" god to give such laws to the Israelites, is despicable. I read the new testament for it's emphasis on love, which I like. But I know the bible itself is false by nature.
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January 09, 2015, 11:40:14 AM
Muslims hate other people because they are afraid of what other Muslims will do to them if they don't. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10093386.

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January 09, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
All religion is poison. Every single religion at one point in history has been responsible for pointless hate and slaughter.

Moral equivalency based on false pretenses.

Would you extend your assertion to various religions that no longer exist? 

That of the Incas, the Mayas, which advocated human sacrifice?  That of the Druids?

is your broad brush assertion applicable to those who follow Buddha?

What, please tell, of the Church of the Subgenius?

http://www.subgenius.com/
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January 09, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
All religion is poison. Every single religion at one point in history has been responsible for pointless hate and slaughter.
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January 09, 2015, 06:26:57 AM
As far as I understood this forum is supposed to be about topics that had to do with bitcoins.

All religions are the opium of the people, christianity is no different from Islam, they all got big problems and you're just deciding to look for the bad on Islam.
Have you ever considered all those pederast priests? All the crusades and wars fought because of Christianity? all the radicals and religious fanatics?
In the bible god killed around more than 24 million people, and don't get me started on how much atrocities were on the old testament.
I will enlighten you with the truth: you only see Islam as an extremely evil thing BECAUSE the media, society all around you, and other sources have led you to believe that. Of course Christians are all perfect fellas in your mind, most redneck Americans believe all that crap.

Latest contributions to world peace by Islam fanatics:

2015.01.08 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Sunni suicide bomber wades into a Shiite mosque and slaughters at least eight worshippers.
2015.01.07 (Zhari, Afghanistan) - Taliban bombers take out two children gathering firewood.
2015.01.07 (Baghlan, Afghanistan) - Six road workers are machine-gunned point-blank by Religion of Peace gunmen.
2015.01.07 (Sanaa, Yemen) - A al-Qaeda suicide bus bomber scatters body parts and snuffs out thirty-seven lives at a college.
2015.01.06 (Nazimabad, Pakistan) - Two Shiite brothers are murdered in their shop by Sipah-e-Sahaba.
2015.01.06 (al-Jubba, Iraq) - A suicide attack on a mosque and the ensuing clash leave two dozen dead.


Christianity is no different than Islam?
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January 08, 2015, 10:42:07 PM
It's obvious there are individuals here with an agenda that are not asking real questions or seeking real answers. They simply want to lob fallacies and spread hate.
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January 08, 2015, 10:34:02 PM
As far as I understood this forum is supposed to be about topics that had to do with bitcoins.

All religions are the opium of the people, christianity is no different from Islam, they all got big problems and you're just deciding to look for the bad on Islam.
Have you ever considered all those pederast priests? All the crusades and wars fought because of Christianity? all the radicals and religious fanatics?
In the bible god killed around more than 24 million people, and don't get me started on how much atrocities were on the old testament.
I will enlighten you with the truth: you only see Islam as an extremely evil thing BECAUSE the media, society all around you, and other sources have led you to believe that. Of course Christians are all perfect fellas in your mind, most redneck Americans believe all that crap.





Did you ever have a little fish bowl with some goldfish or something in it? Perhaps you had gerbils. Who had the authority for them? You or they? I mean, if one of them said, Screw that guy who put us in the fish bowl and sees to it that we are fed everyday, would you even care?

God cares. You are ignorant. He is the Boss. If He wants to stop feeding you for a few days, He is the Boss. Like it or not, nobody orders Him around.

If I were you, I wouldn't be so cocky as I lived my simple little life, completely in His view, and under His control.

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January 08, 2015, 08:39:05 PM
Attempt at moral equivalency fails.  The entire Islam religion hates gays.

Here's the Koran on the subject.

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm

The Hadith and homosexuality: The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). .....

"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)


That's the Islam I know.
You see men screwing -kill them.
Your wife cheats on you - kill her.
Somebody laughs at your religion - kill him.
Your daughter wants to marry an infidel - kill them both.

Islam is a straightforward religion. No stupid "turn another cheek" or "forgiveness". Somebody dares to defy you? He's good as dead.
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January 08, 2015, 10:03:06 PM
As far as I understood this forum is supposed to be about topics that had to do with bitcoins.

All religions are the opium of the people, christianity is no different from Islam, they all got big problems and you're just deciding to look for the bad on Islam.
Have you ever considered all those pederast priests? All the crusades and wars fought because of Christianity? all the radicals and religious fanatics?
In the bible god killed around more than 24 million people, and don't get me started on how much atrocities were on the old testament.
I will enlighten you with the truth: you only see Islam as an extremely evil thing BECAUSE the media, society all around you, and other sources have led you to believe that. Of course Christians are all perfect fellas in your mind, most redneck Americans believe all that crap.



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Radical hate preacher, Mr Anjem Choudary, wants this photo removed from the Internet.




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