Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 41. (Read 437405 times)

If from an early age children are drilled that the most minute parts of their lives and their bodies are regulated by a holy book and those who read it, then they are very likely to obey what the supposedly holy person says no matter how evil it is.

Earlier I made note of how the modern anti-Western propaganda mirrors that of Goebbels' anti-Jew propaganda of the 1930s. But the parallel to the modern Islamic extremist terrorist is more like the WW2 Japanese suicide bombers.

There are problems with the other religions as well, but at least they are trying to reform theirs. But Islam is different. The clerics and the followers don't want any reformation. They are still stuck with the 8th century ideology.

The problems lies with those who brainwash others all in the name of religion inciting others to commit heinous acts all in the name of religion. Most of the world's problems is due to religion especially the Islamic religion

The question of why do Islam hates people?
Well we can make it better.
Why do people hate each other?
The problem is not the religion, the science, the beliefs or country. The problem lies on ourselves.

I'm going to toss out your attempt at rationalization as to what the "True Muslim" is. It looks like no more or less than the True Scotsman logical fallacy, which you are welcome to look up to see the relationship. There's no need to claim "Nuance" to tribal behavior, it's pretty simple.

Your assertion that Christians are treated well in Muslim countries is false, the complete reverse of the truth. Let's not have any Tayikka, already? It is immediately seen for the lie that it is.

http://cnpublications.net/2010/01/08/christians-flee-muslim-countries/

Regarding "hygiene" you've successfully made the point that many of your beliefs about the subject are crazy.

Regarding "western medicine" you are completely ignorant. Given that scientific and medical practice is virtually identical across the developed world, and that includes China, Russia, Japan, etc. East and West.  That leaves you and your beliefs way off to the side. Facts and reality won't support your beliefs. "Modern medicine" is a major part of modern and civilized society.

Take the ignorant and barbaric life of what amounts to the Middle Ages or get modern. You'd like to assert that all the problems with Muslims is that they aren't "properly following the Koran," but the reverse seems to be true. This writer puts it well...

http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2017/05/16/islamic-male-sexuality-the-real-toxic-masculinity/
It is the twisted masculinity produced by Islam and nurtured in Islamic communities and societies that is behind marriages that are not merely arranged but are forced. Islam is the driving force that motivates Muslims to commit the grotesque and far too common examples of ‘honour’ violence. This cruel, capricious and often violent misogyny and the acceptance that women have no right consent to sex or withhold consent to sex, is also behind what the psychologist Nicholai Sennels has called the ‘expression of a perverted sexual life and culture‘. Nicholai Sennels added that Islam creates ‘some thoroughly depressing and dysfunctional character-traits – these character-traits are, in far too many cases, the result of growing up in the Muslim culture.‘

There is in Islamic societies, both in the Islamic world and ensconced in our own nations, a culture of women and girls as property. It is likely that because of Islamic misogyny, there is likely to be an epidemic of rape and sexual abuse that Muslim men subject their own families to that is never or rarely spoken about.

The toxic and sex obsessed culture of Islamic masculinity that lies behind the monstrous epidemic of the Islamic Rape Gang phenomena....

... the rape and sex trafficking, that we see all too often being committed by Muslims, is not a part of Islam that can or should be reasonably accommodated in our societies. ....

All societies and all cultures can produce individual monsters and abusers but these individuals are often thrown up at random the result of genetic throw of the dice or because of how the individuals were conditioned. The problem with Islamic culture and Islamic society is that these groups are not merely afflicted by random monsters but that the culture actively produces not a few, but many monsters.

This comes from the fact that they feel their impunity. Besides, in jail in Austria is much better than living in those clay houses in which they live at home. And nutrition in an Austrian prison better.

   Well, I acknowledged repeatedly that large numbers of Muslims do not live up to these standards, and that these non-practising Muslims are the fuel for a lot of the criticisms being voiced here. I am talking more about the teaching itself, and I think that is a little more nuanced than a simple tribal "us and them" mentality... although comparison to Nazi's is standard operating procedures any time someone wants to make someone seem like "the enemy." And by the way, the criticism that the disproportionate influence of a largely Jewish class of financiers was causing misery to millions through predatory debt cycles and that the National Socialist movement was an admittedly misguided attempt to address this problem, which remains unaddressed, has not been considered in your response.

   It is necessary for any group or nation to define themselves, and Muslims are no exception. It has been the rule, rather than the exception, that minorities have had rights in Muslim societies, as evidenced by the continued presence of a large Christian minority in places like Egypt. Muslim minorities in Christian countries like Spain did not receive such tolerance.

  Western medicine undeniably has results in addressing symptoms, but chronic condition rates of recovery are roughly equivalent with or without treatment. Chronic underlying conditions are often left uncured, and of course since health care in the west is a business, this is actually good for business.

   Lest this devolve into a debate about the merits and drawbacks of the western approach to medicine (it has both), the stand of progress you are talking about is again a function of the economic status of societies. Again, when the Muslim lands were wealthier than the European lands, the state of medical technology and overall health was much better. A series of events, including the Mongol invasions, the death and enslavements of tens of millions of Africans and native Americans and the seizure of the Americas by European powers have shifted this balance, so this economic situation and the scientific and public health situation reflected by it (generally speaking) is more of a reflection of the shifting sands of destiny than any inherent superiority of a particular ideology.

   I was taking some specific examples just to reinforce the point of hygiene, which is simply one point among many, and that's not even getting into the spiritual dimension, which is actually the most important, since I'm assuming most of the critics here simply don't believe in it, although the limits of empirical observation techniques are pretty tremendous for anyone who doesn't have blind faith in the scientific orthodoxy.

I am sure that I have seen this news around bitcointalk somewhere, but in case you missed it, it is worth to know -

Town in Austria refuses to accept refugees after 15 years old girl 'brutally raped'. Here is what happened:

"The migrant told arresting officers that his assault of the boy was a 'sexual emergency' because he had not had sex in 4 months,
and didn’t even try to flee the scene of the assault because he thought it was perfectly acceptable behavior."

Apparel if we follow immigrant Muslim's logic, it is better to assault and rape young girls than to jerk off. How twisted belief is that?

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/389016-austria-town-refugees-ban-rape/

Actually, you missed my point. You're engaging in tribal thinking, in which "others," those outside the tribe, are "BAD." I noted that your practice and that of other Muslims of ascribing characteristics to the "others" of being "dirty" was similar to the tactics used by Germans toward Jews. Actually it's virtually identical. Take a rather disgusting subject then ascribe it to the developed stereotype of the "Others" while extolling the virtues and merits of the "Tribe."

While you (and those of your religious persuasion) are obsessed with using tree roots instead of toothbrushes and obeying religious laws about how to keep your ass clean, guess what?

Other peoples are moving forward and learning better how to actually stay healthy, and cure diseases. This is the stark reality, and this is the reason Muslim nations are almost all behind. Such things as extolling the Great Virtues of a piece of wood instead of toothbrush is evidence of the problem, not a solution or work around.

Muslims will remain behind as long as they believe in regulating the minute details of everyday life based on 7th century thinking. Of course as you have previously noted, those that reject the religion are seldom actually executed because they agree to not reject the religion so they won't be executed.

In your world, physical force and threats or murder of apostates is the status quo. And that's preferred to advancing forward to the modern world.

 

  This reminds me of a great quote from a contemporary German philosopher (roughly translated) "Objectivity is a myth- it presumes an observed without an observer."

   I haven't found any more logically convincing and rich tradition as the Islamic tradition, and it never ceases to amaze with new insight with continued study. There are many differences of opinion and these are actually very meritorious if contentious at times, and Islam has shown itself remarkably resilient to changing circumstances. I can say for myself that my understanding of the religion is constantly growing, and I frequently learn that I have been wrong about this or that issue.

   The use of the miswak is indeed ancient, and again if I truly felt after many years of using both a modern plastic toothbrush and a siwak, that the toothbrush got my teeth cleaner, I would use it. I generally mistrust industrial medicine because there is simply too much incentive to maximize profits by the medical equivalent of planned obsolescence- ensuring repeat business.

   The long track record of the siwak, in many cultures where there was no dental industry, indicates that it has staying power. Fluoride is not the only compound in the miswak. Just an excerpt from a summary of research on the siwak at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1013905212000181


Chemical analysis of S. persica miswak has demonstrated the presence of β-sitosterol and m-anisic acid (Ezmirly et al., 1979; Ray et al., 1975); chlorides, salvadourea, and gypsum; organic compounds, such as pyrrolidine, pyrrole, and piperidine derivatives (Galletti et al., 1993); glycosides, such as salvadoside and salvadoraside (Kamel et al., 1992); and flavonoids, including kaempferol, quercetin, quercetin rutin, and a quercetin glucoside (Abdel-Wahab et al., 1990). The roots and bark of the S. persica tree are composed of 27% ash; a high ratio of alkaloids, such as salvadorine and trimethylamine; chlorides and fluorides; moderate concentrations of silica, sulfur, and vitamin C; and small quantities of tannins, saponins, flavonoids, and sterols (Akhtar and Ajmal, 1981; Al Lafi and Ababneh, 1995; Farooqi and Srivastava, 1968). High amounts of sodium chloride and potassium chloride were noted, along with other sulfur-containing organic substances (salvadourea and salvadorine) (Dorner, 1981).

S. persica miswak contains nearly 1.0 μg/g of total fluoride and was found to release significant amounts of calcium and phosphorus into water (Char et al., 1987). Repeated chewing of S. persica miswak was found to release fresh sap, which may have an anticariogenic effect (Almas and al-Lafi, 1995).However, another study noted that a negligible amount (0.07 μg/ml) of fluoride was released when S. persica miswak was soaked in water (Hattab, 1997). Farooqi and Srivastava(1968) isolated benzylisothiocyanate (BITC) from S. persica roots, and Ezmirly and El-Nasr (1981) demonstrated that BITC is an end-product derived from the enzymatic hydrolysis of the glucosinolate present in the plant. BITC is a chemopreventive agent that is thought to prevent cariogenic and other genotoxic compounds from reaching or reacting with target sites on the treated tissue (Al-Dosari et al., 1992; Benson and Barretto, 1985; Benson et al., 1980; Wattenberg, 1977). At a concentration of 133.3 μg/ml, BITC was found to have virucidal activity against Herpes simplex virus 1 (al-Bagieh, 1992). In addition, BITC has exhibited broad-spectrum bactericidal activity (Pulverer, 1969) and was found to inhibit the growth and acid production of Streptococcus mutans (Al-Bagieh and Weinberg, 1988).

Other components of S. persica also have beneficial effects on oral health. The sulfur content in the ash of S. persica roots was found to be as high as 4.73% (Galletti et al., 1993). Sulfur has a bactericidal effect (Abo Al-Samh, 1995) and vitamin C was found to help in tissue healing and repair (Almas, 1993). Silica acts as an abrasive and was found to help in removing stains from tooth surfaces (Al Lafi and Ababneh, 1995; Khoory, 1983). The astringent effect of tannins may help to reduce clinically detectable gingivitis. Tannins were found to inhibit the action of glucosyltransferase, thereby reducing plaque and gingivitis (Gazi et al., 1992). Resins may form a layer on enamel that protects against dental caries (Al Lafi and Ababneh, 1995). Salvadorine, an alkaloid present in S. persica miswak, may exert a bactericidal effect and stimulate the gingiva (Almas, 1993). The mildly bitter taste of the essential oils in S. persica miswak stimulates the flow of saliva, which acts as a buffering agent. High concentrations of chloride inhibit the formation of calculus (Akhtar and Ajmal, 1981) and aid in removing stains from tooth surfaces (Almas, 1993). Saturation of calcium in saliva due to the use of chewing sticks was found to promote enamel remineralization (Gazi et al., 1992).

 Interesting about the fluoride in the siwak, I guess it must be beneficial after all.

   As far as the superiority of the siwak, my teeth simply feel a lot cleaner when I use it, so I just stopped using the toothbrush altogether. Five years later I went to the dentist for the first time in over six years, and was told that there is no work really to be done. In fact, the cavities that I had have gotten smaller. 

     In the Muslim countries I have been it is true that dental hygiene is in very bad shape, there is a lot of sugar and tea consumption, and it is actually quite rare to see people using the miswak, sadly. This is commonly the case in all countries with similar economic levels, however, in my experience

      Scientific achievement is primarily a function of wealth, and this means not only new money, but generational buildups in social and intellectual capital. It doesn't really reflect particular belief systems or races so much- when the economic tables were turned, there were great scientific leaps happening in Muslim countries which Christian countries remained very backward with regards to scientific achievements.

     Okay, if you are going to point out a logical inconsistency, how about explaining it with sound logic instead of just name calling? I am not even trying to prove to you the authenticity of the revelation, but I suppose if you want to talk about it we can, but I'd assume you would not be very perceptive due to your own indoctrination.

       Most of my feelings about westerners (of whom I am one) are based on my own experiences, and I don't take my judgment of Muslims from statistical analysis which is already slanted to support a prejudiced and Eurocentric worldview (measuring infant mortality as a measure of progress rather than social connectivity, for example), rather, I take my judgment from having traveled in 50 or so different countries, probably 7 or 8 of which had Muslim majorities and probably a third of which had significant Muslim populations. Generally speaking, I was not treated with as much kindness, generosity, and warmth by any other single group, and this as a non-Muslim. Perhaps this has to do with my personality, but as I said I am only speaking from my own perspective.

   Islam as a cohesive system is not currently implemented anywhere on the earth at this time, and anywhere where this is attempted there are bombs raining down destroying the infrastructure, so it is no surprise that there is not much infrastructure, and it is also unsurprising that the present world order would not want a civilization that outlaws its most basic means of sustenance- interest- taking over territory and cutting into business.

   The central banking cartel which is represented by all the nations that meet on a monthly basis to coordinate global economic policy in the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, is undeniably the most powerful single organization on the planet, and yet gets so little publicity. There was a clear economic motive in the second world war to dehumanize Jews in order to justify seizing their wealth- just as European discourse devalued the cultures of native Americans and Africans in order to justify the exploitation of these peoples. This was only viable, however, because the general populace of Germany had extensive experience with Jews, and because the economic state of affairs had unfolded in such a way that nearly everyone was broke, and large numbers of Jews weren't. The social divide and distinct identity of Jewish people also had led to rising resentment, and this was not the first time this had happened. Many of the pogroms of European history had resulted from levels of heavy indebtedness of gentiles to Jews, and gentiles seeing an easy way out- by killing and exiling the Jews and being rid of the debt and seizing their wealth at the same time.

      In spite of these massacres, Jewish bankers had managed to gain more and more influence, against which the National Socialist movement in Germany was essentially a rebellion, and whose power was actually only consolidated and expanded by the events of the second world war.

    So it's interesting that you would point to the German propaganda machine, as this exemplifies the same conflict that is playing out today, which Christian civilization firmly in the service of a mostly Jewish financial elite that is obviously the sworn enemy of anyone who would try to prohibit interest. I can't very well try to dehumanize Westerners because, as I said, I am an American of almost exclusively European (and Jewish) ancestry, but I can criticize cultural practices that I once engaged in myself but for which by virtue of my privileged upbringing I was able to discover alternatives.

   When I 'denigrate' Westerners I am really just speaking about the own transformation that has happened in my own life, and trying to explain certain cultural differences that could be distasteful to those who have different customs. Undeniably, there are certain advantages that European cultures have over other cultures, not only specifically Muslims, so I would not presume to declare total superiority or inferiority... I am just pointing out rectal hygiene at this moment in history is not one of European culture's strong points. We all have things we can learn from each other. The original point is it is simply something that once you get used to, it is hard to imagine going back. The narrations about stones are not strong, and this would be only in the case of their being no water, and there are many stronger and very clear narrations about using water, and this is the unanimous consensus of the Muslims.

I really doubt whether religion is having that much of an effect. It is mostly the upbringing which should be blamed. The children raised by religious fanatic parents in all chance becomes fanatics themselves when they grow up.

Islam hates all who can compete with him, and it is not difficult and so for them the easiest way to solve the problem is to eliminate its source. They will always hate and kill people of other faiths until the world will unite and destroy them. Perhaps this will happen when the world will cease to use oil or it will just end. Maybe for that to happen later, very slowly now developing alternative technologies.

In there mind they believe that they are the only human being are acceptable in this world this is why they hate other people like christians in other country or country muslim i should say they killing chrisitians people if they knew you were christian whats the matter with this people right? And now they love to do something bad inthere life also they believed in incarnation.

I believe every religion prioritize peace and love. Likewise every religion has certain community who always try to make changes to the sayings of their God. In such a way few groups might have emerged from the Islam community which makes the living worse around the world through terrorism and some other activities. For the same we should not describe that entire Islam hates people.

All fanatics are aggressive. There really is no difference to which religion they belong, but the behavior of Muslims is in itself more aggressively. It is connected not only with religion but also with the education they receive from childhood.

Objective and logical thinking is considering issues without preconceived truth. Of course that means completely ignoring any issue a religious text claims is good or bad. This does not imply prejudice against claims in such ancient works. Rather it means no prejudice FOR OR AGAINST.

Semaforo errs in the following argument regarding science and medical practice...

theories accepted into orthodoxy are often disproved every so often... for example, the idea that margarine or vegetable based shortening is healthier than animal fats was part of orthodoxy, and has now fallen out of favor. Anyway, suffice to say that something being a doctrine in western medicine is far from it being an immutable and established fact.

Shifts in opinion in science and medicine are part and parcel of moving the state of the art forward, and thus are diametrically opposed to religious nonsense such as immutable truthies. However, the Miswak stick is just a stick, no more or less than a primitive toothbrush.

As you can see from the following history, it's not even an Islamic invention.  Rather the Islamic invention is incorporating the practice into religious cult rituals along with many other ways of regulating and controlling the minute aspects of daily life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush

Before the invention of the toothbrush a variety of oral hygiene measures had been used.[2] This has been verified by excavations in which chew sticks, tree twigs, bird feathers, animal bones and porcupine quills were recovered.

The predecessor of the toothbrush is the chew stick. Chew sticks were twigs with frayed ends used to brush the teeth[3] while the other end was used as a toothpick.[4] The earliest chew sticks were discovered in Sumer Mesopotamia in 3500 BC,[4] an Egyptian tomb dating from 3000 BC,[3] and mentioned in Chinese records dating from 1600 BC. The Greeks and Romans used toothpicks to clean their teeth and toothpick like twigs have been excavated in Qin Dynasty tombs.[4] Chew sticks remain common in Africa[5] the rural Southern United States[3] and in the Islamic world the use of chewing stick Miswak is considered a pious action and has been prescribed to be used before every prayer five times a day.[6] Miswaks have been used by Muslims since 7th century.

I work with Muslims and most of them stink like you would not believe it.

I think personal hygiene has nothing to do with the fantasy (aka religion) in person's brain.

It is more of a cultural thing.  You eat some smelly food, you sweat, you don't take shower EVERY day, you stink, no
matter what you believe.

End of story.

PS.  Why you hate dogs?  Dog is man's best friend.  What is wrong with you?

BTW, I am not a Muslim and I'll never be one, but I will try Miswak sticks to see if it works.

Siwaks are tree roots which naturally have high flouride concentrations.

The obsession of practicing muslims with weird cultish ideas regulating every tiny part of their behavior is interesting. Of course it would be necessary to claim the siwak was "superior" since it dates from ancient times. But it is modern Western dentist practice, with a variety of practices and reasons, that has virtually eliminated tooth decay. That's across the modern industrialized world. It's not related to the presence or absence of flouride.

Muslim world dental health? Not so good, excepting where western practices have been incorporated. It's pretty clear that early indoctrination in non-objective thinking, and immersion in cultural brainwashing has negative consequences for the society at large. When your Muslim countries start producing numerous Nobel prize winning scientists let me know.