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legendary
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December 11, 2015, 02:02:55 PM
You want to know why Islam is what it is? Because it manged to stay Medieval for last 1000 year. That is why mindset of Muslim people is so different from rest of the world - either western of eastern society.
While world evolved Islam stayed the same with its barbaric methods, outdated way of treating women and hateful ideology towards everyone who is not Muslim.

Well, Muslims do argue that Islam is perfect.

Are you saying it is perfectly Medieval?  Because staying Medieval for 1000 years certainly is a record of sorts...
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December 11, 2015, 12:50:30 PM
You want to know why Islam is what it is? Because it manged to stay Medieval for last 1000 year. That is why mindset of Muslim people is so different from rest of the world - either western of eastern society.
While world evolved Islam stayed the same with its barbaric methods, outdated way of treating women and hateful ideology towards everyone who is not Muslim.

ISIS has guns and other military equipment. They also transport crude oil using trucks. That isn't medieval.

Can you explain the ways in which they are medieval?

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December 11, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
You want to know why Islam is what it is? Because it manged to stay Medieval for last 1000 year. That is why mindset of Muslim people is so different from rest of the world - either western of eastern society.
While world evolved Islam stayed the same with its barbaric methods, outdated way of treating women and hateful ideology towards everyone who is not Muslim.
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December 11, 2015, 02:10:20 AM
Non terrorism?
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October 19, 2015, 10:10:26 PM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

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Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.


Hahahahaahahaha Your posts showing that you are an idiot because in every sentence you find something negative or something which is totally irrelevent... dear you are respected to me , Go and read about Islam and then come and debate Tongue
GOOD LUCk !!
And good luck to you too, my friend, with your multiple posting names in Bitcointalk.

Face it. 

You argued wrong interpretation, based on Fitnah, you were rebutted, twice.

You lost that argument.  It's no big deal.

But responding with an argument of ridicule isn't a win, but a lose.
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October 19, 2015, 12:45:46 PM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Smiley

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.


Hahahahaahahaha Your posts showing that you are an idiot because in every sentence you find something negative or something which is totally irrelevent... dear you are respected to me , Go and read about Islam and then come and debate Tongue
GOOD LUCk !!
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October 19, 2015, 08:01:29 AM
screw islam and there false gods.
Chirstian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist... does this all matter? Yes sadly it does to some with strong religious beliefs. Why can't we truely care for people outside our own religous group? I believe in a "God" that does care about Christians and Muslims. To this God- it doesn't matter what these people believe. If you live a respectfull and caring life than "God" wil welcome you. I wish the Christian and Islam God would love so strongly as mine does.
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October 18, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
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October 18, 2015, 12:42:03 PM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

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Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

No wonder you Islamites are violent. Somebody goes and shows you something about Islam. You don't like it. Ane when they prove it to you, it upsets you so badly that you become violent. From http://islamqa.info/en/22899:
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Definition of fitnah:

1 – The word fitnah from a linguistic point of view:

Al-Azhari said: “The Arabic word fitnah includes meanings of testing and trial. The root is taken from the phrase fatantu al-fiddah wa’l-dhahab (I assayed (tested the quality of) the silver and gold), meaning I melted the metals to separate the bad from the good. Similarly, Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): ‘(It will be) a Day when they will be tried [yuftanoona] (punished, i.e. burnt) over the Fire!’ [al-Dhaariyaat 51:13], meaning, burning them with fire.” (Tahdheeb al-Lughah, 14/196).

Ibn Faaris said: “Fa-ta-na is a sound root which indicates testing or trial.” (Maqaayees al-Lughah, 4/472). This is the basic meaning of the word fitnah in Arabic.

Ibn al-Atheer said: “Fitnah: trial or test… The word is often used to describe tests in which something disliked is eliminated. Later it was also often used in the sense of sin, kufr (disbelief), fighting, burning, removing and diverting.” (al-Nihaayah, 3/410. Ibn Hajar said something similar in al-Fath, 13/3).

Ibn al-A’raabi summed up the meanings of fitnah when he said: “Fitnah means testing, fitnah means trial, fitnah means wealth, fitnah means children, fitnah means kufr, fitnah means differences of opinion among people, fitnah means burning with fire.” (Lisaan al-‘Arab by Ibn Manzoor).

2 – Meanings of the word fitnah in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

1-     Testing and trial, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ‘We believe, and will not be tested [la yuftanoon]” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:2]

i.e., that they will not be subjected to trial, as Ibn Jareer said.

2-     Blocking the way and turning people away, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“but beware of them lest they turn you [yaftinooka] (O Muhammad) far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you” [al-Maa’idah 5:49]

Al-Qurtubi said: this means blocking your way and turning you away.         

3-     Persecution, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, verily, your Lord for those who emigrated after they had been put to trials [futinoo] and thereafter strove hard and fought (for the Cause of Allaah) and were patient, verily, your Lord afterward is, Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-Nahl 16:110]

Put to trial means persecuted.

4-     Shirk and kufr, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allaah)” [al-Baqarah 2:193]

Ibn Katheer said: this means shirk (worshipping others besides Allaah).

5-     Falling into sin and hypocrisy, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“(The hypocrites) will call the believers: “Were we not with you?” The believers will reply: “Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations [fatantum anfusakum], you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith) and you were deceived by false desires” [al-Hadeed 57:14]

Al-Baghawi said: i.e., you made yourselves fall into hypocrisy and you destroyed yourselves by means of sin and whims and desires.

6-     Confusing truth with falsehood, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so [i.e. become allies, as one united block under one Khaleefah (a chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world) to make victorious Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism], there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)”[al-Anfaal 6:73]

What this means is that “unless believers are taken as close friends instead of disbelievers, even if they are relatives, there will be fitnah on earth, i.e., truth will be confused with falsehood.” This is how it is explained in Jaami’ al-Bayaan by Ibn Jareer.

7-     Misguidance, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whomsoever Allaah wants to put in Al‑Fitnah (error, because of his rejecting of Faith), you can do nothing for him against Allaah” [al-Maa'idah 5:41]

The meaning of fitnah here is misguidance. Al-Bahr al-Muheet by Abu Hayaan, 4/262.

8-     Killing and taking prisoners, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“if you fear that the disbelievers may put you in trial [yaftinakum] (attack you)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:101]

This refers to the kaafirs attacking the Muslims whilst they are praying and prostrating, in order to kill them or take them prisoner, as stated by Ibn Jareer.

9-     Difference among people and lack of agreement, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“and they would have hurried about in your midst (spreading corruption) and sowing sedition among you [yabghoonakum al-fitnah]” [al-Tawbah 9:47]

i.e., they would have stirred up differences amongst you, as it says in al-Kashshaaf, 2/277.

10-Insanity, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Which of you is afflicted with madness (maftoon)” [al-Qalam 68:6] Here it means madness.

11-Burning with fire, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who put into trial [fatanoo] the believing men and believing women (by torturing them and burning them)”[al-Burooj 85:10]

Ibn Hajar said: the meaning may be understood from the context. (al-Fath 11/176)

Note:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the “fitnah” which Allaah attributes to Himself or which His Messenger attributes to Him, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘Thus We have tried [fatannaa] some of them with others’ [al-An’aam 6:53] and the words of Moosa, ‘It is only Your trial [fitnatuka] by which You lead astray whom You will’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning], that carries a different meaning, which is a test or trial from Allaah to His slaves by means of good things and bad, blessings and calamities. This is one thing; the fitnah of the mushrikeen is another thing; the fitnah or trial of the believer by means of his wealth, children and neighbour is another thing; the fitnah (tribulation, differences) that happen amongst the Muslims, like the fitnah that happened between the supporters of ‘Ali and Mu’awiyah, and between him and the people of the camel, and between Muslims when they fight one another or boycott one another, is another thing. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, vol. 3, p. 170).

So you see. Youi don't kill fitnah. You kill unbelievers and enemies. Wake up to your own built-in violence.

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legendary
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October 18, 2015, 10:51:44 AM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Smiley

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.

People here are not idiots.  We've already looked up the multiple definitions.
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October 18, 2015, 06:31:35 AM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

Smiley

Here is the meaning of Fitnah " unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler." If someone create Fitnah among Muslims then these instructions for Muslims what to do... Islam is against the killing of innocent people.
legendary
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October 17, 2015, 04:57:26 PM


Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!

Now you want to play with words? "Fitnah" has so many meanings in both translation and usage that, when you say "killing the Fitnah," you show the violence in the Quran, because you could have used many other words, or you could have used "Fitnah" in a non-violent way.

http://islamqa.info/en/22899

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legendary
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October 17, 2015, 03:22:09 PM
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Dear let me explain you what Quran Said..... the point you rise is totally wrong the quotation you quoted is about killing the Fitnah not killing innocent people ...!!
I think maybe instead of your correcting an interpretation being the solution, it is the problem.  When some old holy book has versus capable of multiple interpretations, then some use it to justify bad things, some use it to justify right things.

Therefore it does not fix the problem for you to state what the "right interpretation" is.  You are only one person.  The problem remains existent.

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October 17, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
1. It is not righteousness that you
turn your faces to the East or the
West, but truly righteous is he who
believes in Allah and the Last Day
and the angels and the Book and the
Prophets, and spends his money for
love of Him, on the kindred and the
orphans and the needy and the
wayfarer and those who ask for
charity, and for ransoming the
captives; and who observes Prayer
and pays the Zakat; and those who
fulfill their promise when they have
made one, and the patient in poverty
and afflictions and the steadfast in
time of war; it is these who have
proved truthful and it is these who
are the God-fearing.  (Al Quran
2:178)
Every Friday in the second part of
the sermon, Muslims all over the
world hear a verse, which stresses,
justice, kindness and natural mutual
love as among the closest blood
relatives:
2. Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and
the doing of good to others; and
giving like kindred; and forbids
indecency, and manifest evil, and
wrongful transgression. He
admonished you that you may take
heed. (Al Quran 16:91)
3.  And as for those who strive in
Our path — We will surely guide
them in Our ways. And Indeed, Allah
is with those who are of service to
others. (Al Quran 29:70)
4.  Indeed, Allah is with those who
are righteous and those who do
good.  (Al Quran 16:129)
Allah says that we should be the
first and take initiative to do good
to others, but, if others have been
kind to us, in the first place, we
have no choice, but to return the
favor:
5.  The reward of goodness is nothing
but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)
The Holy Quran suggests
compassion and kindness to be a
recipe to turn ones enemies into
bosom friends:
6.And good and evil are not
alike. Repel evil with that which is
best. And lo, he between whom and
thyself was enmity will become as
though he were a warm friend. But
none is granted it save those who are
steadfast; and none is granted it save
those who possess a large share of
good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)
7.So Allah gave them the reward
of this world, as also an excellent
reward of the next; and Allah loves
those who do good.   (Al Quran
3:149)
8.And who is better in faith than
he who submits himself to Allah, and
he is a doer of good, and follows the
religion of Abraham, the upright?
And Allah took Abraham for a
special friend. (Al Quran 4:126)
9.On those who believe and do
good works there shall be no sin for
what they eat, provided they
fear God and believe and do good
works, and again fear God and
believe, yet again fear God and do
good. And Allah loves those who do
good.  (Al Quran 5:94)
10. And create not disorder in the
earth after it has been set in order,
and call upon Him in fear and hope.
Surely, the mercy of Allah is nigh
unto those who do good.   (Al Quran
7:57)
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'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

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Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

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Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 Cry

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...




What was that?    Huh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g



where are you from?it has turkish subs.
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October 09, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 Grin


Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 Smiley



Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 Cry

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...




What was that?    Huh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g


legendary
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October 09, 2015, 05:25:40 PM
'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 Grin


Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 Smiley



Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 Cry

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...




What was that?    Huh
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 05:19:43 PM
'Cause everyone wants to be on the side of the winner, and NOT on the side of the loser, and Russia is sorely beating ISIS.

 Grin


Feel free to add a music link to fight the devil back!

 Smiley



Beethoven couldn't hear the music he wrote or played on piano. He was deaf.

 Cry

The only reason you should be sad is not to be able to hear what he was hearing...


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