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February 10, 2016, 05:43:55 AM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

You know I think it might be WWII guilt because we saw similar policies of re-settlement of Jews and German Russians in exile.  They were taking them left and right, no matter what.  I personally know of many Russians who went to Germany on fake paperwork.  No word of German, no German ancestry.  They opened the gates to Jews similar to what they are doing now to Muslims.

Problem now is that they will have to integrate them into mainstream society.  And we all know how flexible Muslims and Christians are.  The rate of this influx will be a problem.

Well, at least in part, these questions can be tested.

Political party XYZ let in a large number of (refugees, immigrants, blah blah blah).  Did they let in groups which by way of their inclination, would vote for the party who let them in?

That's the larger part of the answer.  Strict self-interest, hiding of course under a robe of pure altruism.

That's extremely cynical.
And probably not far from the truth.
I never thought about that. But that's true that if party XYZ let a massive way of immigration in, and let them the right to get the nationality and thus the right to vote, they more or less automatically win this massive way of migrants as new voters which are rather secured for their political party.

Never thought about that. Maybe. I don't hope it, I'm not sure of it, but maybe it's a point for them :/

Well, I am in the USA and this is established playbook for the Democratic party.  Nobody will dispute it.  So here, this is not "extremely cynical."

Depending on the cultural environment, sure, it could be seen that way in some other countries.  But there's a long history of evil hiding behind altruism.  What better place for a sociopath or psychopath to hide?

Sure. And I said that I found it cynical, not stupid or wrong ^^

Cause well, it DOES help a political party to have a part of the population devoted to them...

I don't know if the number of migrants is enough to really have a weight though, cause even if all the media are in a crazy state I don't think they're so numerous.
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February 10, 2016, 04:24:15 AM
Maybe some of them have gone through some worst experience with muslims and I don't see everyone hating Islam as I am surrounded with many muslims but they have respect for their and others religions too.

yeah, and maybe about the news they heard about muslims, that is why there are people who associate terrorist with muslims,

Very true. It's how the media endorses Islam. Nowadays when you see people wearing turbans, it's almost automatic for you to associate them with a negative vibe almost anxious and threatened feel.
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February 09, 2016, 06:39:22 PM
people hate islam because they see how violent they are.And what they doo. And now are in real danger with all this refugee crisis. Sure exist some good people there. But everyday happenings support theory that islam is bad
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February 09, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Maybe some of them have gone through some worst experience with muslims and I don't see everyone hating Islam as I am surrounded with many muslims but they have respect for their and others religions too.
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February 09, 2016, 09:12:24 AM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

You know I think it might be WWII guilt because we saw similar policies of re-settlement of Jews and German Russians in exile.  They were taking them left and right, no matter what.  I personally know of many Russians who went to Germany on fake paperwork.  No word of German, no German ancestry.  They opened the gates to Jews similar to what they are doing now to Muslims.

Problem now is that they will have to integrate them into mainstream society.  And we all know how flexible Muslims and Christians are.  The rate of this influx will be a problem.

Well, at least in part, these questions can be tested.

Political party XYZ let in a large number of (refugees, immigrants, blah blah blah).  Did they let in groups which by way of their inclination, would vote for the party who let them in?

That's the larger part of the answer.  Strict self-interest, hiding of course under a robe of pure altruism.

That's extremely cynical.
And probably not far from the truth.
I never thought about that. But that's true that if party XYZ let a massive way of immigration in, and let them the right to get the nationality and thus the right to vote, they more or less automatically win this massive way of migrants as new voters which are rather secured for their political party.

Never thought about that. Maybe. I don't hope it, I'm not sure of it, but maybe it's a point for them :/

Well, I am in the USA and this is established playbook for the Democratic party.  Nobody will dispute it.  So here, this is not "extremely cynical."

Depending on the cultural environment, sure, it could be seen that way in some other countries.  But there's a long history of evil hiding behind altruism.  What better place for a sociopath or psychopath to hide?
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February 09, 2016, 09:11:35 AM
I think that if you're looking over the big picture it's easy. They're restrictive. They're violent. They treat women and children bad. All religions have flaws but I haven't heard anyone ever say: "oh no, it's a catholic! get him off the plane!"
It's obvious, to conclude, what the reasons are: they are not pleasant people to have around. For multiple reasons that we all know.
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February 09, 2016, 05:49:12 AM
This can be true. I don't like to mention but it were rumors about last victory on US election were in some states because of immigrant votes, before elections lot of immigrants from mexico and cuba got citizenship..
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February 09, 2016, 03:30:27 AM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

You know I think it might be WWII guilt because we saw similar policies of re-settlement of Jews and German Russians in exile.  They were taking them left and right, no matter what.  I personally know of many Russians who went to Germany on fake paperwork.  No word of German, no German ancestry.  They opened the gates to Jews similar to what they are doing now to Muslims.

Problem now is that they will have to integrate them into mainstream society.  And we all know how flexible Muslims and Christians are.  The rate of this influx will be a problem.

Well, at least in part, these questions can be tested.

Political party XYZ let in a large number of (refugees, immigrants, blah blah blah).  Did they let in groups which by way of their inclination, would vote for the party who let them in?

That's the larger part of the answer.  Strict self-interest, hiding of course under a robe of pure altruism.

That's extremely cynical.
And probably not far from the truth.
I never thought about that. But that's true that if party XYZ let a massive way of immigration in, and let them the right to get the nationality and thus the right to vote, they more or less automatically win this massive way of migrants as new voters which are rather secured for their political party.

Never thought about that. Maybe. I don't hope it, I'm not sure of it, but maybe it's a point for them :/
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February 08, 2016, 05:34:08 PM
nobody wants them close, because this is total different way of life and thinking. People see what is happening in islamic countries and that everything is forbidden and you don't have any freedom.
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February 08, 2016, 05:32:19 PM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

No - how can you say that? The germans are perfect. They are beyond bribery. They do everything right.

LOL...

I missed your subtle humor in prior posts...
SPENDY..Does this convince you why we hate ISLAM...Watch and learn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCR1DeQmzF4
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February 08, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Ignorance. They know nothing about it and that allows people to fill the gaps in their knowledge with whatever bias they have. It's also true that all people hear about are Islamic terrorists. Obviously the jihadists represent a very small number of Muslims.
Don't know about ignorance.  I've heard some damn good arguments to not like Islam that are based on some pretty solid facts, like straight out of the Koran.  Having said that, I don't hate Islam.  And yes, it's the fucking terrorists who did shit like crash planes into the WTC on 9/11, bombed it in '93, the Boston marathon bombing, and 7/7 in GB.  I would say they definitely put a bad face on Islam.
Do you want this in your town

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCR1DeQmzF4
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February 08, 2016, 04:59:16 PM
Ignorance. They know nothing about it and that allows people to fill the gaps in their knowledge with whatever bias they have. It's also true that all people hear about are Islamic terrorists. Obviously the jihadists represent a very small number of Muslims.
Don't know about ignorance.  I've heard some damn good arguments to not like Islam that are based on some pretty solid facts, like straight out of the Koran.  Having said that, I don't hate Islam.  And yes, it's the fucking terrorists who did shit like crash planes into the WTC on 9/11, bombed it in '93, the Boston marathon bombing, and 7/7 in GB.  I would say they definitely put a bad face on Islam.
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February 08, 2016, 04:30:31 PM
Guys please stop posting pyramidal quotes..it is really hard to follow.
You can quote without text-blank quotes.
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This is good topic, hate is no good, we hates them they hate us..
I don't know who even started first attack christians or arabs?
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February 08, 2016, 04:01:59 PM
I think people watching too much television!
Who is responsible for all this hatred, and for all those wars?
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February 08, 2016, 02:43:19 PM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

No - how can you say that? The germans are perfect. They are beyond bribery. They do everything right.

LOL...

I missed your subtle humor in prior posts...
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February 08, 2016, 12:25:44 PM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

No - how can you say that? The germans are perfect. They are beyond bribery. They do everything right.
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February 08, 2016, 12:25:03 PM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.

You know I think it might be WWII guilt because we saw similar policies of re-settlement of Jews and German Russians in exile.  They were taking them left and right, no matter what.  I personally know of many Russians who went to Germany on fake paperwork.  No word of German, no German ancestry.  They opened the gates to Jews similar to what they are doing now to Muslims.

Problem now is that they will have to integrate them into mainstream society.  And we all know how flexible Muslims and Christians are.  The rate of this influx will be a problem.

Well, at least in part, these questions can be tested.

Political party XYZ let in a large number of (refugees, immigrants, blah blah blah).  Did they let in groups which by way of their inclination, would vote for the party who let them in?

That's the larger part of the answer.  Strict self-interest, hiding of course under a robe of pure altruism.
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February 08, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
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Merkel's WWII guilt caused all of this.
Maybe maybe not.  Maybe she was subtly influenced, overtly bribed, blackmailed or otherwise influenced by Saudi or middle eastern influences.
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February 08, 2016, 11:09:16 AM
Main problem with Islam is that they live in past centuries and now want to spread across Europe and force all people to be muslims..I was never in a country where is muslim religion and laws, and don't want that because I don't want to see or have that way of life.
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February 08, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate islam? ...

If you need anything clarified, I am here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink

I have only one question for you:

Do you believe Mohammed flew to heaven on a flying horse?  If you do, why do you believe such nonsense?

Lol, cause Jesus resurrection is better? xD

All religions are basically nonsense. That's even in the definition of religion as religion is based on faith and faith is belief based on nothing but hot air.

+1

Christians have crackers turning into human flesh, and wine turning into human blood all every Sunday during mass :-)  How sick is this?
Virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection from dead, flying to heaven, you know all nine yards.

Muslims have heaven with rivers of wine (I guess because they are not allowed to drink it here) and lots of young women with no burkas, all men are clean shaven and are 33 years old.  That is the Muslim heaven.  It seems like a wet dream of a middle aged goat herder in the 6th century.  Sounds about right.

Ah, here comes the Argument of Moral Equivalence again.  Christians are bad, Muslims are bad, all religions are bad, yada yada yada.

Try this on for size.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-selling-shrunken-heads-decapitated-7319854

And our Jihad Report.

Attacks    140
Killed    1639
Injured    1670
Suicide Blasts    36

That's THE LAST 30 DAYS!!!

I hope you are not trying to say that Islam is worse than Christianity.

You are forgetting burning people at the stake, slavery, pedophilia, crusades, killing gays or people working on the Sabbath. All of these 'recommendations' are in your Bible. If you are real Christian, you should be doing what your Bible tells you.  Then you'll be no different than ISIS followers.

If there was slightly different social/political environment in Western countries, Christians would be doing what ISIS is doing.  Thanks to science and secularization we use reason to decides what is moral, what behavior is acceptable.  Problem is that most religious people don't actually read their holy books.  If they did without cherry picking, they would burn them.  

Sorry, 1st or 6th century morality is not going to cut it in the 21st century.

I most certainly am saying Islam is worse that Christianity.  I am most certainly saying "look at the actual numbers," and make judgements from them.  The actual numbers show a huge problem with violence in Muslim sects, and hardly any such problem with Christian sects.  You wind up agreeing with me - bolded section.

I think this is a very fair way to look at the matter.  I understand the arguments about one old book being just as encouraging of violence as the other, and the arguments about Christians doing this and that in ancient times.  But we are dealing with problems of TODAY, and to understand them we need to look at how things are today.  So go look at the behavior of Muslims, and the behavior of Christians, TODAY.  Then determine whatever and whereever the facts lead you.  Also understand you are looking not just at "religions," but at cultural and social environments underlaying those religions.
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