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May 08, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM?  If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.

I have said number of times there is no punishment if someone leave Islam in Islam.

Taqiya

It is not a punishment, it is a rule when Muslims can lie to protect their faith but *only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory*.

* Copied from wiki as it is well phrased.
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
May 08, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM?  If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.

I have said number of times there is no punishment if someone leave Islam in Islam.

Taqiya
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May 08, 2015, 10:16:09 AM
in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM?  If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.

I have said number of times there is no punishment if someone leave Islam in Islam.
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May 08, 2015, 10:08:54 AM
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Come and read the history of Islam Smiley
After reading the history of Islam u know about the Muslims...Smiley

We Muslims are believer of Prophet (PBUH)...Smiley
Who is Muhammad (PBUH)??

"He did not speak or advocate the cause of some particular race or ethnic group, but stood up for all humanity irrespective of race, color, class, language or geographical barriers. The Message he preached was universal, transgressing all obstacles whether artificial or otherwise. A Message so complete and comprehensive that it not only revolutionized the era in which it was proclaimed, but even today its timeless beauty has lost none of the original charm and continues its profound appeal to the human intellect."

Islam Is Perfect Muslims Are Not...!!!
Allah Is Great !!!
I will remain skeptical about these matters, although I understand and respect that others believe them.

But we have several on this thread who say something like "If a person is terrorist, he is not Muslim."   That was what I was questioning.  I do not think one can post facto of a terrorist act claim those who did it were not muslims. 

From your reply I seem to get that they are Muslims, although very, very, very imperfect Muslims.  But I would like a more detailed perspective on this.

Good to hear you...Smiley
In my opinion the terrorists are not muslims and even they are not human as well Sad

Islam teach us a lesson of humanity.....Smiley


So...


In a Muslim society, are thieves who get their hand cut off Muslim?  Are women who are stoned to death Muslim?  In a Muslim society, is a murderer Muslim?  A rapist?
 
None of these are banned from Islam, in fact aren't they guilty of a serious crime if they LEAVE ISLAM?  If so how can someone say they are not Muslim.

So how could someone claim that a terrorist was not Muslim.
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May 08, 2015, 08:48:52 AM
For your kind information...Smiley

Before Islam womens were burnt alive just for the sake that they are womens...

Islam tell People that the womens and Girls are REHMAT for home...Smiley
Read History of Islam before u speak Smiley

Muslims do that too. They just beat them to death first before they set them on fire:

"Victim: Farkhunda, 27, was pushed from a roof, run over by a car and set on fire before her body was thrown in the Kabul River - in full view of several policeman - last Thursday"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3008987/Afghan-woman-beaten-death-streets-murdered-dared-speak-against-superstitious-mullah-NOT-burned-Koran.html
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May 08, 2015, 08:40:11 AM


I agree with you. His statement is quite hilarious. Islam in it's intended form doesn't give many rights to women thought theuir adherents seem to be delusioned that it does. Women can't do many things in many Muslim countries and they are treated like second class citizens as if men somehow have dominion over them.

For your kind information...Smiley

Before Islam womens were burnt alive just for the sake that they are womens...

Islam tell People that the womens and Girls are REHMAT for home...Smiley
Read History of Islam before u speak Smiley

REHMAT ?


Rehmat means blessing!!!!
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May 08, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
......

Come and read the history of Islam Smiley
After reading the history of Islam u know about the Muslims...Smiley

We Muslims are believer of Prophet (PBUH)...Smiley
Who is Muhammad (PBUH)??

"He did not speak or advocate the cause of some particular race or ethnic group, but stood up for all humanity irrespective of race, color, class, language or geographical barriers. The Message he preached was universal, transgressing all obstacles whether artificial or otherwise. A Message so complete and comprehensive that it not only revolutionized the era in which it was proclaimed, but even today its timeless beauty has lost none of the original charm and continues its profound appeal to the human intellect."

Islam Is Perfect Muslims Are Not...!!!
Allah Is Great !!!
I will remain skeptical about these matters, although I understand and respect that others believe them.

But we have several on this thread who say something like "If a person is terrorist, he is not Muslim."   That was what I was questioning.  I do not think one can post facto of a terrorist act claim those who did it were not muslims. 

From your reply I seem to get that they are Muslims, although very, very, very imperfect Muslims.  But I would like a more detailed perspective on this.

Good to hear you...Smiley
In my opinion the terrorists are not muslims and even they are not human as well Sad

Islam teach us a lesson of humanity.....Smiley
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May 08, 2015, 08:33:51 AM


I agree with you. His statement is quite hilarious. Islam in it's intended form doesn't give many rights to women thought theuir adherents seem to be delusioned that it does. Women can't do many things in many Muslim countries and they are treated like second class citizens as if men somehow have dominion over them.

For your kind information...Smiley

Before Islam womens were burnt alive just for the sake that they are womens...

Islam tell People that the womens and Girls are REHMAT for home...Smiley
Read History of Islam before u speak Smiley
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REHMAT ?


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May 08, 2015, 08:28:44 AM


I agree with you. His statement is quite hilarious. Islam in it's intended form doesn't give many rights to women thought theuir adherents seem to be delusioned that it does. Women can't do many things in many Muslim countries and they are treated like second class citizens as if men somehow have dominion over them.
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For your kind information...Smiley

Before Islam womens were burnt alive just for the sake that they are womens...

Islam tell People that the womens and Girls are REHMAT for home...Smiley
Read History of Islam before u speak Smiley
legendary
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May 08, 2015, 08:27:29 AM
......

Come and read the history of Islam Smiley
After reading the history of Islam u know about the Muslims...Smiley

We Muslims are believer of Prophet (PBUH)...Smiley
Who is Muhammad (PBUH)??

"He did not speak or advocate the cause of some particular race or ethnic group, but stood up for all humanity irrespective of race, color, class, language or geographical barriers. The Message he preached was universal, transgressing all obstacles whether artificial or otherwise. A Message so complete and comprehensive that it not only revolutionized the era in which it was proclaimed, but even today its timeless beauty has lost none of the original charm and continues its profound appeal to the human intellect."

Islam Is Perfect Muslims Are Not...!!!
Allah Is Great !!!
I will remain skeptical about these matters, although I understand and respect that others believe them.

But we have several on this thread who say something like "If a person is terrorist, he is not Muslim."   That was what I was questioning.  I do not think one can post facto of a terrorist act claim those who did it were not muslims. 

From your reply I seem to get that they are Muslims, although very, very, very imperfect Muslims.  But I would like a more detailed perspective on this.
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May 08, 2015, 08:19:26 AM
No One hate Islam because Islam is the  religion of Peace,Faith,Equality,Brotherhood,Justice,Love...<3

Islam Give rights to womens. Before you all know what is the condition of  this world...

Islam is a complete code of life...Smiley

I truly feel that statements of this sort only represent a denial of the reality and do not help move the dialogue or the understanding forward.  Let me explain.



I agree with you. His statement is quite hilarious. Islam in it's intended form doesn't give many rights to women thought theuir adherents seem to be delusioned that it does. Women can't do many things in many Muslim countries and they are treated like second class citizens as if men somehow have dominion over them.
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May 08, 2015, 07:20:00 AM
No One hate Islam because Islam is the  religion of Peace,Faith,Equality,Brotherhood,Justice,Love...<3

Islam Give rights to womens. Before you all know what is the condition of  this world...

Islam is a complete code of life...Smiley

I truly feel that statements of this sort only represent a denial of the reality and do not help move the dialogue or the understanding forward.  Let me explain.

Is person XYZ a Muslim?
He self identified as a Muslim.
He went to mosques.
He was shouting Allah Akbar when he did his dirty deed.....
He associated with Muslims.

If you showed us someone who was banned from mosques or who was otherwise publicly identified as not being a Muslim it would be more credible.

In a Muslim society, are thieves who get their hand cut off Muslim?  Are women who are stoned to death Muslim?  In a Muslim society, is a murderer Muslim?  A rapist?

They are Muslim right? 

So what gives you the right AFTER a horrific, purposefully public event to then claim someone was not Muslim?

And others seem to disagree.  For example the two thugs who tried to massacre people at the Texas Mohammed Cartoon contest, one of them is being given a funeral by a mosque.
And I assume that means he is being buried in accordance with Muslim customs.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/kansas-city-mosque-that-wanted-to-ban-free-speech-will-hold-funeral-for-garland-texas-jihadist/

Are all the violent people in Palestine who blew themselves up in Israel, killing innocent women and children, Muslim?




Lol dude sry but you're full shit on this subject.


Come and read the history of Islam Smiley
After reading the history of Islam u know about the Muslims...Smiley

We Muslims are believer of Prophet (PBUH)...Smiley
Who is Muhammad (PBUH)??

"He did not speak or advocate the cause of some particular race or ethnic group, but stood up for all humanity irrespective of race, color, class, language or geographical barriers. The Message he preached was universal, transgressing all obstacles whether artificial or otherwise. A Message so complete and comprehensive that it not only revolutionized the era in which it was proclaimed, but even today its timeless beauty has lost none of the original charm and continues its profound appeal to the human intellect."

Islam Is Perfect Muslims Are Not...!!!
Allah Is Great !!!
legendary
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May 08, 2015, 07:09:43 AM
No One hate Islam because Islam is the  religion of Peace,Faith,Equality,Brotherhood,Justice,Love...<3

Islam Give rights to womens. Before you all know what is the condition of  this world...

Islam is a complete code of life...Smiley

I truly feel that statements of this sort only represent a denial of the reality and do not help move the dialogue or the understanding forward.  Let me explain.

Is person XYZ a Muslim?
He self identified as a Muslim.
He went to mosques.
He was shouting Allah Akbar when he did his dirty deed.....
He associated with Muslims.

If you showed us someone who was banned from mosques or who was otherwise publicly identified as not being a Muslim it would be more credible.

In a Muslim society, are thieves who get their hand cut off Muslim?  Are women who are stoned to death Muslim?  In a Muslim society, is a murderer Muslim?  A rapist?

They are Muslim right? 

So what gives you the right AFTER a horrific, purposefully public event to then claim someone was not Muslim?

And others seem to disagree.  For example the two thugs who tried to massacre people at the Texas Mohammed Cartoon contest, one of them is being given a funeral by a mosque.
And I assume that means he is being buried in accordance with Muslim customs.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/kansas-city-mosque-that-wanted-to-ban-free-speech-will-hold-funeral-for-garland-texas-jihadist/

Are all the violent people in Palestine who blew themselves up in Israel, killing innocent women and children, Muslim?




Lol dude sry but you're full shit on this subject.
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May 08, 2015, 06:59:06 AM
No One hate Islam because Islam is the  religion of Peace,Faith,Equality,Brotherhood,Justice,Love...<3

Islam Give rights to womens. Before you all know what is the condition of  this world...

Islam is a complete code of life...Smiley

I truly feel that statements of this sort only represent a denial of the reality and do not help move the dialogue or the understanding forward.  Let me explain.

Is person XYZ a Muslim?
He self identified as a Muslim.
He went to mosques.
He was shouting Allah Akbar when he did his dirty deed.....
He associated with Muslims.

If you showed us someone who was banned from mosques or who was otherwise publicly identified as not being a Muslim it would be more credible.

In a Muslim society, are thieves who get their hand cut off Muslim?  Are women who are stoned to death Muslim?  In a Muslim society, is a murderer Muslim?  A rapist?

They are Muslim right?  

So what gives you the right AFTER a horrific, purposefully public event to then claim someone was not Muslim?

And others seem to disagree.  For example the two thugs who tried to massacre people at the Texas Mohammed Cartoon contest, one of them is being given a funeral by a mosque.
And I assume that means he is being buried in accordance with Muslim customs.

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/kansas-city-mosque-that-wanted-to-ban-free-speech-will-hold-funeral-for-garland-texas-jihadist/

Are all the violent people in Palestine who blew themselves up in Israel, killing innocent women and children, Muslim?


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May 08, 2015, 06:43:39 AM
No One hate Islam because Islam is the  religion of Peace,Faith,Equality,Brotherhood,Justice,Love...<3

Islam Give rights to womens. Before you all know what is the condition of  this world...

Islam is a complete code of life...Smiley
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May 08, 2015, 05:51:34 AM
Well, I believe people hate islam because they do not understand it. Muslims used to be very respected and trusted people, but honestly our behavior recently has been less-than-perfect. When examining Islam we need to separate muslims from islam. Islam is the  way of life muslims follow.
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May 07, 2015, 11:38:40 PM
I don't think people hate a specific religion .they just hate bad people that can be found any where
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Anarchy is not chaos.
May 07, 2015, 09:02:08 PM
lol no, whatever. These lists are secondary. I could make one about US soldiers but i wouldnt know where to start nor have the time to carry on such debate.

These so called terrorist are as sheeps as US citizens soldiers are, believing whatever BS their leader tells them.
One side believes bringing "democracy" and the other are just fighting "imperialism".

911= INSIDE JOB.

Bin Laden being a Bush buddy.
And im not even talking about WT7 or the golden insurance Mr Silverstein got out of it, whilst he should have paid about the same amount to remove the asbestos.

Problem solved right? bonus being invade countries, and get the oil (and protect Israel Lips sealed).

Point is it's all just a money & geostrategic game, and religion has nothing to do with it.
Religious people are good, fair and respectful. Otherwise it is called a cult/sect.

Peace to my brother muslims.


The perfect definition of a Christian... Thank you  Wink




yep, in fact i'd add that people believing in nothing are the most dangerous. disrespectful self-centered pricks.


All atheists in the world belong to the same church then?




Yeah, we do. Didn't you know that? We set around in our splintered cabals and research ways of denying the various gods.

Oh, wait, we don't do that at all, do we?

first off, it irritates the hell out of me when people say that atheists believe in nothing. There is an immeasurable chasm between not believing in unprovable assertions and believing in nothing. I have no real desire to illustrate my own personal beliefs, as they are both personal and irrelevant to the discussion, but to say I believe in nothing because I fail to believe in the impossible is insulting.

Secondly, statistically speaking, atheists have the lowest crime rates of just about all such artificial groupings. Even when we're talking statutory crime, though I think we're a bit more likely to disobey "because I said so" edicts than theists. I can't prove that, so take it with a grain of salt. It's just my observation. We don't derive our moral compass from some moldy old tome that thinks it's ok to dash babies against the rocks if they happen to be a different tribe or religion, but rather from a desire to peaceably get on with our neighbors and a sense that some things are simply wrong REGARDLESS of where the belief comes from.
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Anarchy is not chaos.
May 07, 2015, 08:52:47 PM
I Don't hate Islam. I dislike all religions including Islam. My dislike may be slightly greater for Christianity, but that's probably because it's the religion I know the best. I do have a pretty good hate on for Islamic extremists such as the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

This is almost amazing. Why would anyone dislike Christianity? Here is what Christianity does for the world.

Everybody, EVERYBODY, makes mistakes and does things wrong. Everybody sins. Christianity might be the only religion that forces onto EVERYBODY, forgiveness for sins in this life. In addition, Christianity gives to its people everlasting life in joy with God.

Why would anybody dislike that!? Without Christianity there would be no life alive on earth now, because everybody sins, and God can't stand sin. And without Christianity there would be no salvation from death.

Even the people of other religions should love Christianity, because it is the reason that they have their freedom in all the ways that they have it.

Smiley

Let's attempt to be real here, shall we? Everything, let me repeat that, EVERYTHING that makes modern people hate on Islam was done in the name of the Christian god way before Mohammed got to running around. Chistianity has mellowed over the centuries. It remains, at it's core, one of the most divisive and evil philosophies ever put forth. READ the bible. Not it's "what the captain meant was" apologists say, the actual book. You can't get much more horrible than that book. There is a reason why the majority of horror films are based on christian legends.
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May 07, 2015, 08:49:09 PM
My sister in law is Muslim but she doesn't make any waves about it as our whole family is Catholic. I don't dislike Muslims and have had great food at their events. This extremist crap is what I abhor. If it came down to Muslims as i see some of them or Evangelicals, then I'd have to choose neither. I really do not like Evamges and can't see myself sharing a table w/ any of them and having a splendid time of it.
I have done both, and seem to never had a problem.  I do recall one dinner where a fundamentalist women said something like "as soon as we can get the Democrats out of Washington we can fix the abortion issue."  I responded that it should be done at the state level, otherwise her approach would just yield another style of big government ordering people around.  The whole table went silent.  Obviously not small-government advocates, that bunch.

But that was an exception and stands out as such.


Americans forget what the full name of their country is: united STATES.




That was prior to the seventeenth amendment. The defacto abolition of the senate rendered the pretense of separate states under a confederated banner a dead letter. The American Experiment, as it was often called, ended in 1865. the name didn't change, but the fundamentals changed from a contentious republic to an empire.
Not in all respects.  For example almost all law on "murder" is at the state level.  Therefore it seems obvious (at least to me, but maybe I'm an idiot) that if the lady thought abortion was murder she needed to focus at the state level....

Roman Provincial governors had a lot of autonomy as well, but all must bow to Rome. It's pretty much the same in the USA.

In your specific instance, the lines continue to blur on a daily basis. The FBI is now routinely called in on murder cases, which when I was a kid only happened if it had somehow crossed state lines or involved a political figure. Basically, the pretence is maintained. At some point, the USA is going to have to stop pretending to still be a Republic, and those will be very interesting days. I've long wondered who the first "caesar" will be.
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