Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 89. (Read 221072 times)

Agreed.  The MO: a) suicide bombing, b) destruction of historic cultural artifacts that offend your insane religion, only matches one group operating in the area.

I'd take that offer, except I think we'd be betting the same way. If it were the southern part of the USA or even central Africa, I'd have a different bet. But Egypt?

I read that article and I couldn't find proof but speculation. And sorry, I don't bet! If you have any proof, please give me link or post here. Thank you!

The affiliation of the three Jihadists (including the suicide bomber) is unknown eh?  

I'll wait for the results of the official investigation - care to make a little wager?   

There is no claiming those three were Muslims. This is pure speculation.

the main hatred of islam stems from the fact that it doesn't play well with other religions. and because people generalize it based on the radicals terrorists

One more reason - as if we need yet another:

Suicide attack outside Karnak temple in Egypt's Luxor

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33077862

It was actually a quote from the Christian bible. Which when applied to the bible as a whole, shows rotten fruit. But Christians don't (want to ) see that. It seems to me the same with Islam. I have friends who are muslims, and they respect my lack of faith and don't try to convert me. It's futile anyway, as once you break an addiction, you don't EVER want to go back.

It has been my contention for a long while that most people are decent human beings in spite of their religion. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things. Because "if god be with us, who can stand against us" is a very powerful and destructive meme. As I stated before, the so-called extremist, regardless of what sky daddy they believe in, are usually the MOST adherent to a religion. Those with a vague or even fairly strong personal belief, but not "affiliated", or not taking the church too seriously, seem to usually be ok people. Though I observe the most hypocrisy in two major human groupings (which often overlap). The piously religious, and politicians. Unbelievers tend to think that THIS life is worth living, not caring about an unprovable and likely fantastical afterlife, and thus make more of an effort to be useful humans. Exceptions abound, these are not set-in-stone truths. But the tendencies, I think, are quite obvious.

I think I can illustrate this in a manner that most religious people have a problem with. Or at least a great many I've interacted with. I am an anarchist, and I am an atheist. I have been asked many times if I would kill for my beliefs. The answer is no, I would not. This seems to bother the religious mind a great deal. They then go on to accuse me of not being a strong believer in the things I hold close, which is untrue, or of being a pacifist, which is even more untrue. I do believe quite strongly that killing over a difference of opinion is foolish, and murder. OTOH, you come after me, my family, or my friends, yes, I would kill. Without remorse or hesitation. But it's not to defend my beliefs. They either stand on their own merits, or they need revision.

I haven't seen you here but I liked that! +10.

Well, they are fruits only if they are following rules which they aren't.

LOL...

Well that's a pretty good short comeback, I'd say.

... "and ye shall know a thing by it's fruits"....

Better to say Christians and Muslims not Christianity and Islam.

Joan of Arc wasn't exactly a little angel. 

Moral equivalency can't be achieved by comparing yesterday's Christianity to today's Islam.

Also, I don't see Buddhists going around cutting heads off.

Therefore, an argument that "they are all the same" obscures the truth, rather than revealing it.

It's just a "time in service" thing. Take it back a few hundred years, and you have Joan of Arc being burned at the stake for FAR less offense. Islam has a seven hundred year deficit in their body count and civility. Christianity lost it's teeth during the reformation. Go back 700 years and see what you see.

For once, I wasn't being sarcastic. I tend to overanalyze practically everything and spew forth a great many words. Guys like you that can boil that down to a couple of sentences make me a bit jealous. And I just like this smiley To me it has always seemed more like "tongue hangin' out" than sticking out your tongue. I attribute this to being old.

I think this is an error on your part - although others have mentioned this.  If what you say is true, then a verdict of death by a jury, and the subsequent court order for a person to hang, are not actions by the court, or the state, or the country.  They are just words on dead paper. 

Only the people that carry out the orders are committing violence.

From another point of view, you are likely wrong.  Christians have told me that Christianity is not words in a book, but something that one must live - they say it resides within them.  This is the way they separate their faith from human institutions such as churches, dogma, and so forth.  They are very sincere about this (I am an atheist, just so you know).  They separate their religion, and their personal practice of it, from the institutions.

But to support the view you express requires the exact opposite, and I don't think that can be possible.

You are confusing the followers with the religion ... the religion does not commit violence, it's followers do. Religions are just memes/ideas ... incredibly ignorant ones .. That's where they are equals

The more primitive and barbaric the religion, the more violent the behavior.

Except they are not all the same.  Look at the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dKdBlKgquw

This is the singer, Sinead O'Conner, ripping up a picture of the Catholic Pope as a protest against sexual abuse in the Catholic Church in 1992.  

We could say it was roughly similar to cartooning Mohammed.

People were outraged at her doing this.  

But you know what?  Nobody came after her with AK47s or tried to cut her head off.

So, much as I would like to agree "it's exactly the same as any other religion," well, no it isn't.

I am assuming you are being sarcastic, since you chose to end your comment with a tongue.

However, summarizing and boiling down to a single point is (in my humble opinion anyway) the only way to get your message across to the average person with a 6 second attention span.
Not to mention there's no convincing the devout... so ... there's no point in me spending any more energy on being eloquent than I absolutely have to.