Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 89. (Read 221036 times)

That's stupid. Have you read the Quran? Everybody prayers are about forgiveness and gratitude. Your answer is biased as you have knowledge about Christian religion only.

I don't consider terrorists as a part of any religion. Religion teaches to love and not to kill.

I agree with your premise, and I can posit why. Every advance in science and technology puts one less pigeonhole for "god", by whatever name. I've been watching the same thing with fundamentalist christianity. Every time science comes up with some new discovery, that aspect of "god" gets pushed out of the argument, but everything not understood or poorly understood is "god's doing". The problem with this approach, of course, is that science don't care for the idea of "can't be known" and keeps pushing "god" further out of the picture by it's very existence.

I would guess that islamic leaders play the same games.

I'm starting to seriously think that some aspects of a fundamentalist Islamic oriented culture are diametrically opposed to fostering a modern technological society.  In other words, that Islam may chain people to dire poverty and ignorance.  Hell, the same might be true of any theocracy, but they are very rare excepting for Islamic cultures.  I understand Egypt is not a theocracy, but if 80% vote theocratically, it may approach it.

On a practical sense, a government must be secular to primarily look after the economic interests of it's citizens or subjects.

Check this:


Tourism employs millions of people in Egypt, especially in the Red Sea region and Luxor. If attacks such as this one continue, then all these people would be left jobless. Already the tourist sector in Egypt is under a lot of strain, as the number of tourists from Russia (one of the main destinations) has declined due to the depreciation of Ruble.

It is up to the Egyptians to decide whether they want to work in their hometowns earning decent salaries, or if they want to got to Saudi Arabia, to clean some Sheikh's toilet. Given the fact that the hardcore Islamists received almost two-third of the votes during the last parliamentary election, I don't think that the average Egyptian want to live a peaceful and prosperous life.

Egypt has even a car making capacity and, with cars & public transportation available there, we can expect terrorists maybe able to strike beyond the Sinai. In fact Egyptian islamists already stroke tourist sites at Luxor, in 1997.

According to the Egyptian police sources and the local media, the perpetrators were from the terrorist organization Ansar Bait al-Maqdis. These people had recently pledged allegiance to the Islamic State and its so called "Caliph", Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. However, the Ansar Bait al-Maqdis is mostly active in the Sinai region, which is quite far away from Luxor.

No.  It is a "clue".  As stated earlier - I will most assuredly post the results of the official investigation.

Do we see history repeating itself.  The 1997 Luxor massacre is what cemented support for Hosni Mubarak.

Is this "evidence"?

Agreed.  The MO: a) suicide bombing, b) destruction of historic cultural artifacts that offend your insane religion, only matches one group operating in the area.

I'd take that offer, except I think we'd be betting the same way. If it were the southern part of the USA or even central Africa, I'd have a different bet. But Egypt?

I read that article and I couldn't find proof but speculation. And sorry, I don't bet! If you have any proof, please give me link or post here. Thank you!

The affiliation of the three Jihadists (including the suicide bomber) is unknown eh?  

I'll wait for the results of the official investigation - care to make a little wager?   

There is no claiming those three were Muslims. This is pure speculation.

the main hatred of islam stems from the fact that it doesn't play well with other religions. and because people generalize it based on the radicals terrorists

One more reason - as if we need yet another:

Suicide attack outside Karnak temple in Egypt's Luxor

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33077862

It was actually a quote from the Christian bible. Which when applied to the bible as a whole, shows rotten fruit. But Christians don't (want to ) see that. It seems to me the same with Islam. I have friends who are muslims, and they respect my lack of faith and don't try to convert me. It's futile anyway, as once you break an addiction, you don't EVER want to go back.

It has been my contention for a long while that most people are decent human beings in spite of their religion. But it takes religion to make good people do bad things. Because "if god be with us, who can stand against us" is a very powerful and destructive meme. As I stated before, the so-called extremist, regardless of what sky daddy they believe in, are usually the MOST adherent to a religion. Those with a vague or even fairly strong personal belief, but not "affiliated", or not taking the church too seriously, seem to usually be ok people. Though I observe the most hypocrisy in two major human groupings (which often overlap). The piously religious, and politicians. Unbelievers tend to think that THIS life is worth living, not caring about an unprovable and likely fantastical afterlife, and thus make more of an effort to be useful humans. Exceptions abound, these are not set-in-stone truths. But the tendencies, I think, are quite obvious.

I think I can illustrate this in a manner that most religious people have a problem with. Or at least a great many I've interacted with. I am an anarchist, and I am an atheist. I have been asked many times if I would kill for my beliefs. The answer is no, I would not. This seems to bother the religious mind a great deal. They then go on to accuse me of not being a strong believer in the things I hold close, which is untrue, or of being a pacifist, which is even more untrue. I do believe quite strongly that killing over a difference of opinion is foolish, and murder. OTOH, you come after me, my family, or my friends, yes, I would kill. Without remorse or hesitation. But it's not to defend my beliefs. They either stand on their own merits, or they need revision.

I haven't seen you here but I liked that! +10.

Well, they are fruits only if they are following rules which they aren't.

LOL...

Well that's a pretty good short comeback, I'd say.

... "and ye shall know a thing by it's fruits"....