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sr. member
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September 26, 2019, 06:47:32 AM
#90

Yes, it may work, in theory

But in practice I have yet to see even a single case where it helped to get the money from your balance back even if you could actually prove the ownership. How many exchanges which required verification had scammed or been hacked in the past few years? Did this verification helped to retrieve the stolen coins, apart from personal info being stolen too? We are living in the real world, worts and all, not some KYC lalaland

I totally agree.

I don't know what these people are trying to prove to be honest. I'm starting to think that they're just a bunch of "idealists". Not be rude but, I can really feel the naivety of these people. It's a blockchain for god sake. These stolen coins and personal info that is being used by other people for their personal gains is the internet in a nutshell. If these people are thinking the internet is safe then they have to re-evaluate themselves, there's always a risk, you have to always expect it.

These kinds of incidents are unavoidable, that is why you also have to always have a plan B.
newbie
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September 26, 2019, 03:25:49 AM
#89
Anonymity is very important in today's world and I hope we will be able to keep it in the future
legendary
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September 26, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
#88
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc

That really sounds like a piece of sarcasm to me

Mandatory registration and verification are not in the least a guarantee against scams (if that was your point). So your feeling of safety is false and not based on anything real. And as others already said, the personal information you provide at registration can be stolen or just sold to interested parties, whatever those might be. Do you still feel how that makes you calm?
Maybe I misunderstood the statements of a person, but it seemed to me that we are talking about the possibilities of protecting the right to property, if you can prove that you own not only some account on the exchange, but also a wallet with cryptocurrency, where it was verified and provided personal data.  If you take for example the My Ether Wallet wallet, who is the owner, who actually has a password, a file key or a secret key, but it is almost impossible to determine the original owner.  And if the account or wallet is registered by email, and personal data is recorded, then by means of a trial you can prove not only that you are the owner, but also protect your rights on other issues

Yes, it may work, in theory

But in practice I have yet to see even a single case where it helped to get the money from your balance back even if you could actually prove the ownership. How many exchanges which required verification had scammed or been hacked in the past few years? Did this verification helped to retrieve the stolen coins, apart from personal info being stolen too? We are living in the real world, worts and all, not some KYC lalaland
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September 25, 2019, 07:05:30 PM
#87
I think this is because having an anonymity method will make transaction security safer and more comfortable, This anonymous method can be a better transaction method so many people who will use this method for business.
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September 25, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
#86
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.

Do you know if that coindeal exchange you are using the team behind it are fully vetted as well? Why the exchange are very kin on kyc who will verify the exchange as secured enough to guarantee safety of my funds? i take it you won't like to trade in a completely decentralized exchange since there is no kyc submission in such exchange,
i don't see the point of presenting my personal information to total strangers, that is why it is called personal not public information.
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September 25, 2019, 01:16:12 PM
#85
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.

If you feel the need safety that you can't provide for yourself, just stick with fiat and credit cards.  Please don't import the training wheels from there into the Tour de France, it only slows those athletes down.



Haha well said, crypto wallets are actually a so called personal banking with our own security. People who have the knowledge to use the wallet can be use it with out any interuption of bank or payment providers.
Anonymity is word drive every people equally in the crypto market, so better these kind of thread should be avoided by people to stop the confusion.
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September 25, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
#84
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc

That really sounds like a piece of sarcasm to me

Mandatory registration and verification are not in the least a guarantee against scams (if that was your point). So your feeling of safety is false and not based on anything real. And as others already said, the personal information you provide at registration can be stolen or just sold to interested parties, whatever those might be. Do you still feel how that makes you calm?
Maybe I misunderstood the statements of a person, but it seemed to me that we are talking about the possibilities of protecting the right to property, if you can prove that you own not only some account on the exchange, but also a wallet with cryptocurrency, where it was verified and provided personal data.  If you take for example the My Ether Wallet wallet, who is the owner, who actually has a password, a file key or a secret key, but it is almost impossible to determine the original owner.  And if the account or wallet is registered by email, and personal data is recorded, then by means of a trial you can prove not only that you are the owner, but also protect your rights on other issues.
sr. member
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September 25, 2019, 10:46:44 AM
#83
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That is one big naivety right there my friend.

This is a slap question, if anonymity does not exist in the first place, do you think the society, government, culture, people, etc. existence will be the same as now?

Yes, the government should be transparent, but to some extent. Their "operations" are supposed to be anonymous. Oh, I know you'll reply: "what about the corruption of politicians?". That's why I said, "to some extent". Secrecy isn't a bad thing, it makes ppl feel "secured". Imagine an alien space ship crashed landed to Earth and the so-called government take notice and take action of this, and immediately say, "Oh hey our beloved ppl, we are to announce that an alien ship had crashed landed into our world, and we are currently investigating now". Imagine what will the ppl feel, think, say about that. Prolly majority or half of the ppl will panic and will think about "alien invasion". And to make these ppl calm and feel secure, they will keep it "confidential".

Sure anonymity will prolly solve "terrorism"; lessens/exterminate crimes but the thing is, just because of certain countries like China and North Korea merely abolishes anonymity, all countries should implement it as well.

Think about it this way, if everything is transparent, then why do we need banks, schools, clearance, security, heck why do we even need the government if everyone knows EVERY single one.
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September 25, 2019, 10:08:33 AM
#82
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc

That really sounds like a piece of sarcasm to me

Mandatory registration and verification are not in the least a guarantee against scams (if that was your point). So your feeling of safety is false and not based on anything real. And as others already said, the personal information you provide at registration can be stolen or just sold to interested parties, whatever those might be. Do you still feel how calm that makes you?
legendary
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September 25, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
#81
This was the most disgusting thread I ever read within Bitcointalk. All of us value our anonymity dearly. I don't know about the OP, but I would never allow the government or the authorities to peep in to my private life. Well.. I guess that's why we call it "private life". Our hobbies... interests... and even fetishes...  they are not for public entertainment.

But nowadays, there is no respect for individual privacy. In the name of surveillance, the government agencies routinely spy on our communications (phone calls, web chats.etc) and even on our internet history. And even worse, sometimes the hackers and the criminals get hold of these records and they use them to blackmail the individuals.
legendary
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September 25, 2019, 09:51:28 AM
#80
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.

If you feel the need safety that you can't provide for yourself, just stick with fiat and credit cards.  Please don't import the training wheels from there into the Tour de France, it only slows those athletes down.

copper member
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September 25, 2019, 09:15:47 AM
#79
i think having control over yr income and tax free is one with a save in everyone knowing what yo worth which in most cases cause attack on our personality and life . so staying anonymity is far better and secure one future for whay you dont want.
legendary
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September 25, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
#78
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.

I'm not really against KYC but people worry about their information being used or stolen/hack and use it for illegal activities.

Thats not necessarily as for me
Today, in 2019 we have a lot of exchanges where we can upload documents without any risks


the "risk" people talks about is that the company you submitted it to is using your information for other purposes without
your knowledge/permission that is why there are a lot of people that are against KYC.
jr. member
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September 25, 2019, 08:12:02 AM
#77
Anonymity isn't anything good, especially not in the cryptocurrency world. To be honest, I feel definitely safer when I use a cryptocurrency exchange with mandatory registration and verification. It's all about users' safety. Now I use CoinDeal and I'm glad that every user need to be fully verified to trade. It makes me calm. So, if we were anonymous everywhere on the internet, it would be a huge risk of scams etc.
newbie
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September 25, 2019, 07:50:54 AM
#76
Thats not necessarily as for me
Today, in 2019 we have a lot of exchanges where we can upload documents without any risks
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September 25, 2019, 06:25:06 AM
#75
When technology keeps evolving we keep losing our privacy level,

this is true but this is false at the same time . why i could say that ? well true because there are now high tech gadgets that can easily track people beyond gps technology  . false becuase there are also gadgets that are now verry secure compare to the gadgets before  . take a look at your smartphone , it has now finger print and face detection aside from traditional passwords .

 in cryptos we dont really need anonimity because we are legit and we dont need to hide anything  but  idk to some individuals .
What do you think finger print sensor and face detection is high security to our smartphone?

What could you do if someone cut your thumb or head to crack your mobile. Roll Eyes

But this security I am not talking about,all the smartphones could be traced by companies like google and facebook if their apps were installed on it.
legendary
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September 25, 2019, 06:07:23 AM
#74
Anonymity is incredibly important for the modern world, because with the advent of the Internet there are more closed, insecure and unsocialized people
Anonymity does not always have benefits and importance in this modern world. Indeed, anonymity protects our privacy, but this anonymity can be misused and can be bad for others by committing fraud. It's just that people have to be more careful with suspicious people and avoid strange things.
legendary
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September 25, 2019, 06:03:00 AM
#73
I agree that we don't need anonymity. But, we shouldn't be controlled. So, I like the decentralization part a lot. And not interested about anonymity. I have nothing to hide and no one to fear.
However, I don't like to let any one to have a controlling device.

WE?  Speak for yourself.  The nature of freedom is that there are inalienable rights not subject to the whim of the majority. Freedom of expression is one of them.

If you value freedom, anonymity is critical. If you value control and authoritarianism (fascism, socialism, communism etc) you don't want anonymity because it will interfere with your control over everyone else.  Control is a siren song, but the odds are you won't be the one in control, you'll be the one controlled.
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September 25, 2019, 04:48:59 AM
#72
Printing is necessary for us. We should not reveal the identity and the amount of money we hold, it will cause danger when you can face robberies, scams, hacks, ... Besides, anonymity helps you No need to face legal issues when engaging in dealing with large amounts of money.
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September 25, 2019, 04:37:31 AM
#71
For me anonymity is the best asset why I enter cryptocurrency and this same reason why I will stay here

Of time comes that we changed to transparency?then why need to stay here when they Both Banks and crypto are controlled by governments?

I would rather stock my money inside my cabinet than trusting both lol
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