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Of course, anonymity has many negative sides, but we can not say that it is bad. Just many do not want someone to know about their income and expenses and they want to dispose of their funds on their own, without control from the outside.

We just want freedom, that is just it.

I've been using fiat for a long time and there are a lot of protocols to be followed, a lot of rules we should know and follow and that sometimes block us to what we should do. The payments that should be easy and quick became long and so annoying that is why cryptocurrencies are the best with its decentralization and anonymity to back that up.

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You are making things too complicated and suffer a headache out of it. You are creating a big problem out of nothing and then worry about it too much.

What has Bitcoin anonymity got to do with torturing dogs and kids? My god! Are you one of the victims? For your information, the anonymity that Bitcoin has as a feature refers to transactions. Transactions on the Bitcoin blockchain do not bear any personal information of the parties involved.

And talking of transparency, it is also what the blockchain is very proud of. Everything could be verified by anyone. It is open to all, each and every single transaction is public.

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Quote from: atliens99 on August 09, 2019, 05:32:27 AM

I doubt bitcoin will ever get anonymity features, it takes too much agreement for it to happen and exchanges would probably be forced to take it off due to the government.

Talking anonymity and transparency seems to have their pros and cons and i agree that anonymity might get the crypto market to be in big trouble in the long run. Certain transparency for someone's belonging is enough to judge that they don't have any illegal activity behind on their properties.

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Quote from: kaya11 on August 08, 2019, 07:47:10 AM

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

Things like this happen. No matter how much anonymous you are, if you are unlucky to fall in their hands, there is nothing you can do to avoid that situation. You see, those robbers found only 30 bucks on her and beat the hell out of her. The same thing would have happened to a person carrying 1000 bucks. Instead of hiding, isn't it better to take proper steps (by the people/government) to eliminate those crimes/robbers?

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I think the solution to a better world is if everything(yes everything, every fart) is on the blocckchain.
Currently, most peoples that live in big cities dont even know their neighbor so you dont even know who is living next to you.

OP wants to know neighbours and be aware of every fart Cheesy

I imagine his neighbors don't share his passion.

Do you want everyone to know everything about you? Doesn't this give a lot of rope to hang others on? You know that your neighbour is buying gold so he must be rich and maybe has some gold at home. Now not only you know that but also half of the city.

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Quote from: timerland on August 09, 2019, 08:58:59 AM

Anonymity obviously has good and bad things behind it

Its like a double edge sword where it do give out protection and also does give out the risk on involving yourself into online fraud or your personal info is being sold out.

This is why crypto market becomes too popular because of anonymity features.People do really love to be on private but due to government regulations we do always being tied up with verification requirements.

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Quote from: fuckcrypto on August 08, 2019, 07:10:10 AM

The more we people become transparent the less chance for the governemtn to controll us- transparency will end governements, olicitcs and religion

I can’t understand. It’s about those who mock dogs or dishonest government?I fully agree with The first option.Anonymity is needed ,to put it mildly, not quite honest people.But the second option drove me into a stupor.What kind of transparency do You talk about when you mean the government (no matter whose country)? No state in the world will conduct a fully transparent policy.It's a priori impossible.And what does the expression ,,put an end to public policy,? If this is the case, then who will govern the countries? The crypto community? Aliens?Maybe I deviated from the topic, but the basic meaning of your desire is clear to me and, in principle, I agree with him. If everything is absolutely transparent, then life will really become happy for everyone. But I can’t even imagine what needs to be done to implement this plan.

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Quote from: avikz on August 08, 2019, 07:25:14 AM

Anonymity is not a solution for sure, rather we need transparency!! A see a lot of bitcoin maximalists people raising their voice for anonymity to sideline the banking and governance route! But that very idea will land bitcoin in big trouble. A majority of the nations are already skeptical about cryptocurrencies in general only because of its anonymous nature! More push for anonymity will harm cryptos beyond measures!

Rather, it's always better to held our heads high with pride to show we have nothing illegal. That change in outlook is needed for us to survive and thrive amidst all surveillance and regulatory concerns.

Respect and acceptance is what we need because these can gradually make the situation better for us. Revolution can stay in our hearts.

Fully agree on the statement that everything is about transparency. What the blockchain advocates is the transparency of transactions being in public to all people. No person can EVER omit, change, or add to the transactions to manipulate the people.

I listened to a discussion on TEDtalk about the basics of the blockchain and it discussed about its application on a practical perspective on products. Not only it applied a practical aspect but it also talked about the future application in processes in a business!

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Explained well OP, still fresh in my mind and it depends what you mean by anonymity. If you mean simple atomicity while still being able to do stuff, then yes you can do it hiding behind and not being transparent. Anonymity also is protecting us from possible hacking once they know that we have our own personal money and deposit in the bank instead.

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Much more in reality we need anonymity and stay anonymous because of some certain things that happen around us or.even in our neighborhood. Imagine you be known as a Bitcoin holder and the price hit $30k tomorrow, what do you think will happen to you as the holder who has no anonymity or.stay anonymous? We need to be frank with each one of us and say the truth, we need anonymity along transparency.

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You made good points OP, truly anonymity is not the key, as it rubs that 'togetherness' in socialising with people.
But that has to do with socialisation and relating with people, when it comes to funds, anonymity plays a vital role.
With the way the Internet is becoming more hostile and misusing information, it best one remains anonymous.

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the word 'anonymity' could not have existed if not because people are tired of rates at which government want to know everything about people. How will you feel if someone even know you more than you know yourself Grin

. People are really opting for anonymity because they think there is a need for them to be protected. my major concern is are we truly anonymous? many projects preach anonymity yet they want us to provide our identity for kyc. If truly an 100% anonymity exists, the world could have become a better place.

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Quote from: kaya11 on August 08, 2019, 07:47:10 AM

Let me tell you a story about our neighbor, she was working on a beauty salon with a salary enough to feed her family. She had another source of income, selling viands to her customers (home made). She go to the wet market every 3 am to collect the ingredients and one morning there were two guys who robbed her, she was nearly killed but it was a miracle for her to be alive. The robbers stabbed her and stoned her enough for her one eye to gouge. She was dragged to the seashore, but the culprits did not knew that she as still alive at that time, Did you know what was the amount of money that was robbed that nearly cost her life? 30 dollars and an old phone that she was using. Imagine if someone knew you had some kind of money that robbers may take interest on them, what would they do to leave no evidence? Kill you of course, and that is the reality. So in some ways we need anonymity, and at some point we need it in a good way.

On the other hand if these guys were known or exposed they won't be doing such stuff. Being anonymous makes this guys do what they wanted. Since, if they commited a crime and no one knows the identity of the perpetrators then they will just do it again and again just like what the government official do. Due to the non-transparent transactions, they can steal how much they wanted to take. If it is transparent then this corrupt official won't even dare to steal a single cents from the government funds that suppose to go to the development of the country.

timerland

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Anonymity obviously has good and bad things behind it, the good being able to protect your privacy and keep the things you want to be hidden, hidden, and the bad side is obviously the regulations and illegal things you can accomplish while being unknown.

Your argument is invalid though. Your saying due to some people who abuse the system, the entire system should be changed and stronger rules need to put in place.

The issue isn't anonymity, it's the companies and people that abuse the system and use it to accomplish bad, illegal things. Governments need to focus on shutting those people down, instead of changing the entire system.

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I think it will surely depend on who is needing transparency and not Because it will surely have a bigger perspective in that outlook, Many in the community or gamblers would want to play without the fear of being discriminated by their friends and some would surely want to be safe if they can get a big money, And in the Bitcoin community if we would look it on that perspective we can sure say that many in the community would want the safety of their Identity and family or relative, Just like what Satoshi did he would surely sacrifice the fame for the security of his family and relatives, Well, even though there are certain disadvantage of being anonymous, There are still a huge sum for its Advantages in my opinion.

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I don't think being transparent can change the world we lived in because people are people they can different qualities, traits, habits and qualification in life and always contradicts all the time. So, it's best and practical being anonymous at all times just like bitcoin and creator of it that stayed hidden up to this time.

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Quote from: fuckcrypto on August 08, 2019, 07:10:10 AM

I think the solution to a better world is if everything(yes everything, every fart) is on the blocckchain

The world would be a terrible place then

What you basically suggest comes down to everyone telling the world everything they know, i.e. a society in which there are no secrets. I don't think that such a society is possible in the first place but even if we assumed that it were, it would quickly disintegrate and atomize because it will be impossible to make a simple social contact between two persons. People would know what other people are actually thinking about them by openly declaring their thoughts and attitudes, and that would wreak havoc in social relationships. In other words, some things are better left unsaid, and this is where anonymity, or rather the need for it, kicks in

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Anything has advantages and disadvantages and depends on who uses it.

anonymity can be good for nobody to know about our money and if nobody knows about your money you can be safe (because you protect yourself against thieves)

But there are also people who commit crimes and become anonymous

The problem is not anonymity, the problem is people who use anonymity to commit crimes

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anonymity is great, do you want your mom to know you bought a big black dildo from the love shop?
do you want others to know what party you voted for?
do you want others to know how much money you have in your bank account?
do you want others to know your porn history?

What we need is transparent anonymity, I know it sounds weird. It is like knowing that person is a person, but not knowing who that person is.

I call it blockPOP proof of person or population.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50975967

It is like we all know what wallet satoshi`s wallets are, but we don`t know who satoshi is. I guess we would if he did not mix his address before buying from a vendor. There is works around to this to, once the first address is verified that obtains the bitcoin or bitcointime, it does not matter what addresses are that spend it.

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Anonymity is necessary because I do not want anyone to know what I spend my money, the money I earned and spend on what I want

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