Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on January 29, 2025, 05:00:39 AM

Quote from: Wakate on January 29, 2025, 04:37:27 AM

Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

Such leagues are less controlled, but this does not mean that it is easier to manipulate the results there, they are less popular and any big bet will immediately attract attention. But for the mass player, such leagues are less popular, for the reason that there is little information about them, it is very difficult to find broadcasts of matches, information about teams, injuries and other useful information without which it is difficult to achievement success in betting.

It can only be found in countries that have their own local league, as is the case where I live there are several local league divisions from the main to the bottom in division 3 and for TV broadcasts only the main league and for division 2 or 3 everyone can only see it directly by coming to the stadium during match, no TV broadcast is willing to cover it because of the lack of attention and interest from many people.
For betting will only be done between individuals directly and their bookies at local betting houses that provide it, for manipulation I think there is lot and we also will not understand what the main conspiracy is when certain people deliberately carry out match fixing in local league that are not popular.

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My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game.

I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.

Actually betting on live odd match usually reduce the risk of losing, although just like as you have said the odds are always small, for you to be able to acquire a reasonable odds is when you select like 15 to 20 different games. Because once a match is being started the live odds normally reduced immediately, more especially if they noticed that the bigger term is winning the game that is how it will still go down more and more. But when they are being played first and none of them score, that is when the odd normally increase because they don't know the team that would win.

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Quote from: Wakate on January 29, 2025, 04:37:27 AM

Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

Such leagues are less controlled, but this does not mean that it is easier to manipulate the results there, they are less popular and any big bet will immediately attract attention. But for the mass player, such leagues are less popular, for the reason that there is little information about them, it is very difficult to find broadcasts of matches, information about teams, injuries and other useful information without which it is difficult to achieve success in betting.

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Quote from: Wakate on January 29, 2025, 04:37:27 AM

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ). Embarrassed

Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

This is a very popular case for sports, The betting system is not safe as money can ruin the game.
there are so many sports/league that is plague with money making and money payment to players.
They can pay the players 10X the salary that is so tempting. this is match fixing!

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We have a professional league here in our country that were caught some star players were paid and fixed the match

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Quote from: boltz on December 29, 2024, 04:36:20 PM

Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ). Embarrassed

Non pro sports should be seen as an entertainment since many of these sports are for the local views even though they have sponsors that are always making sure that the sport continues. Just like the local leagues that are not viewed on the TV or online because less people take them seriously and they are not really available on many casinos for an actual bets. This kind of games can be manipulated especially when they started gaining views and more people choose to watch them and bet on them. The popularity is less and sponsorship are not quite huge making them less discussed sports.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

Yeah, if only they are being paid too.

But let's face it, the players of the NCAA will still play hard because they have a goal. Either in the NBA or other sports where they will be paid better if they are scouted. So, match-fixing could exist there but there are also the teams that will play really hard to win their respective games or show good stats so that they can get the highest draft pick when the time is ripe.
Being a professional in the entertainment industry like basketball is paid quite high today. They will do their best to achieve that so let's also consider that while betting for the NCAA. However, I really like the idea that they are also being funded by online sports bookies because they are making money out of them in betting.

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Quote from: SuperBitMan on January 15, 2025, 07:51:33 PM

It is true, but that still don't mean people can't win if they decide to bet on those games, I have a friend who prefer betting on non pro sport because he always win, when it comes to gambling you have to do what works for you and not what other people say or think about your own decision, and even in professional sports there are people or athlete in the particular sport who still do other business not actually for money may be for other reasons, as a gambler the situation of the sport or how low the league is should not be your business, ur business should be how to win, a lot of people have been betting on professional League but still finds it difficult to win and may even start winning if they decide to bet on unprofessional league, one thing about unprofessional league were there players are not been paid well, they always play very well so they can be recognize my bigger League and then bought, I really don't think they will involve there selfies in match fixing and I really don't believe this match fixing happens in sports, since is highly prohibited by nations and if found indulging in such can be ban from that particular sport which will be the end of your sport career an athlete won't want that.

You are correct that gambler might be a winner of non-pro bets too but that is not the all which we are taking about and/or care about. We are taking about/care about the maximum not the minimum. In the maximum case results might not be our favour and at the same time there anything may happen (match fixing).

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Quote from: moneystery on December 29, 2024, 01:59:49 AM

Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

betting on such leagues is indeed quite risky since the players are not only unprofessional, but they also usually do other jobs besides playing in the league. I remember there was a soccer player in my city, his job besides playing soccer was selling paintings, because the salary he got was so little and there was no guarantee of life. that's just one case, there are many athletes who feel like that. so just imagine if someone bets on a league with the quality of athletes like this, there is no guarantee that there is no cheating or other things that make the game unfair.

It is true, but that still don't mean people can't win if they decide to bet on those games, I have a friend who prefer betting on non pro sport because he always win, when it comes to gambling you have to do what works for you and not what other people say or think about your own decision, and even in professional sports there are people or athlete in the particular sport who still do other business not actually for money may be for other reasons, as a gambler the situation of the sport or how low the league is should not be your business, ur business should be how to win, a lot of people have been betting on professional League but still finds it difficult to win and may even start winning if they decide to bet on unprofessional league, one thing about unprofessional league were there players are not been paid well, they always play very well so they can be recognize my bigger League and then bought, I really don't think they will involve there selfies in match fixing and I really don't believe this match fixing happens in sports, since is highly prohibited by nations and if found indulging in such can be ban from that particular sport which will be the end of your sport career an athlete won't want that.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

So true because so many amateurs league have come out of nowhere and they also have betting sponsors and stuff like this and I cannot take those sports seriously and I consider them pure entertainment. Per example in my country we have some amateurs MMA league where Youtube influencers and social media creators along with national media are making fake stories out of nowhere that will eventually end with 2 guys in a cage , mocking each other and the sport. The funny part is that you can place bets on some local bookies here and people are actually gambling on them ( especially the youth ones who are watching a ton of influencers online ). Embarrassed

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

betting on such leagues is indeed quite risky since the players are not only unprofessional, but they also usually do other jobs besides playing in the league. I remember there was a soccer player in my city, his job besides playing soccer was selling paintings, because the salary he got was so little and there was no guarantee of life. that's just one case, there are many athletes who feel like that. so just imagine if someone bets on a league with the quality of athletes like this, there is no guarantee that there is no cheating or other things that make the game unfair.

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When it comes to sports betting, the focus is much on information sharing and the ability of the players. When we think of spending in a professional league, we'll get information regarding the league played earlier, the performance of the players, how things went relative to the venue, and more precise information. This helps in predicting the winner of the match. The same isn't possible with an unpopular league where we need to depend much on the luck, as we don't know much about the players. However, these days data is being saved even for small leagues. With unpopular leagues fixing and leakage of insider information being common, if that's available, one can try with it. If not, the right choice is to go with a popular league and sport.

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Quote from: Bushdark on December 26, 2024, 05:29:34 PM

I think you are right dude! There are some sports that are not so popular and to gather information about them can be very time wasting, compared to popular sports like football, Basketball, Base ball and others that wouldn't take a long time for one to gather information about the sport. Less popular sports can be easily to manipulate in their game predictions and during the market because most of the rules are not so popular to the public, and there is no way we can get to know about all the rulrs and regulations.

Not only is it time wasting, it is also exhausting fi finding information about these sports and in some cases you may actually end up not getting enough Information to help you placed a very good bet from which you can have some edge and winning advantages. This actually does make it easy to manipulate such games and you have to be so dependent on luck to win such games, maybe at that point in time you are betting according to the manipulation on the game and that has to be so.e extreme luck.

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Quote from: freedomgo on December 28, 2024, 07:54:44 AM

Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning. Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.

If you want to take advantage of the situation, you are just looking for the profitability on the situation. So yes, if you feel the pattern, then try betting on it and see what happens. After all, at the end of the day you are aiming for profits whether it is your favorite team or not. So it is not a must that you bet on your favorite sports or athletes, so long you can profit from the bet, you can always bet on
However, if you are talking about match fixing, you can never be sure about the source. If you want to try, you can bet small especially if you are not very confident with such bet.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 28, 2024, 08:18:18 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on December 28, 2024, 07:54:44 AM

For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning. Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.

Once some of these players are offered a sizeable amount, some of them who are corrupt will gladly accept it and rig the game. It's unethical to collect bribe to fix matches and low salary shouldn't be an excuse. It is better to leave the sports and look for another source of living than to engage in criminal actions.

Anything illegal always comes with consequences, and no excuses will save them from accountability. Defrauding people, fans, and bettors cannot be justified, and it certainly won’t pardon their actions.

Quote from: Fiatless on December 28, 2024, 08:18:18 AM

Except you are an insider, it is usually very difficult to have pre knowledge about a rigged match. Some of these match fixers usually keep thier game secret to avoid sanctions. I don't know if getting information about a fixed match and betting on it is a criminal offense.

I believe if you’re an insider, you can probably ensure a win 99% of the time, but that’s an exception.

For the other 99% of bettors who don’t have insider knowledge, but if we can recognize patterns and use them to our advantage, we might still tilt the odds in our favor.

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Quote from: freedomgo on December 28, 2024, 07:54:44 AM

Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning. Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.

Once some of these players are offered a sizeable amount, some of them who are corrupt will gladly accept it and rig the game. It's unethical to collect bribe to fix matches and low salary shouldn't be an excuse. It is better to leave the sports and look for another source of living than to engage in criminal actions.

Except you are an insider, it is usually very difficult to have pre knowledge about a rigged match. Some of these match fixers usually keep thier game secret to avoid sanctions. I don't know if getting information about a fixed match and betting on it is a criminal offense.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

For gamblers who know the league well and suspect game-fixing, it could actually work in their favor. Recognizing patterns in these situations gives them an edge, and when a game is rigged, it’s often the underdog or an unpopular team that ends up winning. Most casual bettors fall into the trap of betting on the favorite, while sharps capitalize on this by betting the other way, profiting from the mistake of the majority.

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Quote from: Woodie on December 28, 2024, 06:23:29 AM

Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

Yes, except for the upsets where you can see ridiculous scorelines, an underated team or player coming to make a ridicule of a top team or player. But where it concerns gambling, it's very risky to bet on these games because you can't confidently analyze their performances. Money is a huge motivating factor when it comes to sports, people who are well paid will always want to give their very best to remain relevant because they understand that their sport is very competitive. But where renumeration is very low, the athletes won't put in their best because they're not 100% focused on their sport and it'll be quite easy to entice them for match fixing.

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Totally agree with what OP has written!

Something that might be unpopular opinion, these amateur leagues or lower leagues tend to be more prone to match fixing as players will do anything for their financial wellbeing because the sport does get them paid fairly...even if it's not match fixing at the worst players don't keep themselves in their best sharp because of several jobs taken as pointed out.

But on the bright side, lower leagues are not a bad place to catch some upsets Tongue

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 30, 2024, 05:15:27 PM

Impressive. I am guessing this is prompted by on of those threads today about unpopular sports to bet on. You marshalled out a lot of points and when you wrote about the little or no pay for those involved in sports, I had to connect the dots to why we see an increase in Match fixing in some unpopular sports. With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.

Exactly, when one's efforts are unappreciated or greatly underappreciated, these people tend to do almost everything in their power to make a living from what they do, most times more through illegal activities. I really think that if sportsbooks can invest little of their gains in these local teams, they would be honest in their activities and hey, they really have to be fast since when matches are fixed, they pay heavy compensation to the match fixers and everyone who benefitted from the match being fixed which is always a huge loss for them.

Then I would agree that these fixed matches ruin the credibility of sports. This should not be done in the first place; they are not just making the players a fool but also the people watching. They also limit the ability of the players to show and perform well, especially when they already know who's going to win.
Honestly, there is neither excitement created by this kind of sports game nor trusting the bookmaker. I'd rather spend time watching real and fair games and bet there. Because even if I lose but at least I am satisfied with the results and the performance of the players.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 30, 2024, 05:15:27 PM

Impressive. I am guessing this is prompted by on of those threads today about unpopular sports to bet on. You marshalled out a lot of points and when you wrote about the little or no pay for those involved in sports, I had to connect the dots to why we see an increase in Match fixing in some unpopular sports. With regards to ethicality, I want to agree that if sports bookies sponsor or even advertise in these unpopular sports, their odds would increase and the players over time would receive better renumeration.

Exactly, when one's efforts are unappreciated or greatly underappreciated, these people tend to do almost everything in their power to make a living from what they do, most times more through illegal activities. I really think that if sportsbooks can invest little of their gains in these local teams, they would be honest in their activities and hey, they really have to be fast since when matches are fixed, they pay heavy compensation to the match fixers and everyone who benefitted from the match being fixed which is always a huge loss for them.

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