Why is antisemetism acceptable - page 3.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:37:07 AM

I'm seeing that the more I read and watch insane conspiracy theorists videos these days (it's inevitable if you're involved in bitcoin that you'll watch Alex Jones at least once I suppose).

I still can't shake it though. Maybe I'll understand it more when something happens to me personally. I don't rule it out as a legitimate option (anonymity), but it just screams "easy exit strategy" for so many scumbags to take seriously.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I think Alex Jones is a raving lunatic mostly.

What I am saying is, they decide they want to audit you and who knows if you've missed something or not. Just talk to people who have been targeted by the tax office in their country and you might start to understand. The have thousands of rules that no-one can possibly know and I'd prefer them not to know in many cases so I just don't have to deal with all their nonsense.

How does that make me a conspiracy theorist?

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Quote from: Kluge on April 25, 2013, 10:39:38 AM

So let's all pretend we're strong-willed women. Huh

How do you know I'm not?

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Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 10:03:49 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:46:23 AM

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

You don't have to endorse a politician to subscribe to a political orientation.

The Guardian is a socialist and internationalist jizz-mop that promotes the usual range of irrational and self-contradictory drivel from welfare dependency and multiculturalism to global warming and eco-alarmism.

... generally read by teachers and toss pots.

OK - officially baffled. You complain that a newspaper that opposes socialists is a socialist newspaper. And that it's read by teachers. Are you still in school? At the risk of inviting another stupid answer, why does it being read by teachers matter?

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Can't gas me through my computer screen. (yet)

I'm pretty sure if we want to stop the cyber-gas, we need to start with protecting women, who are unrepresented and bashed regularly for amusement.

So let's all pretend we're strong-willed women. Huh

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Quote from: hawkeye on April 25, 2013, 10:34:35 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:27:16 AM

This unfortunately, is also why I am still against anonymity despite it's "good" uses. It creates the perfect environment for abuse. The reason I use my real name is not to give some fake trustworthy image (as I have been accused of since day one), but because I enjoy being held accountable for my actions. It forces me to change when need be. If I hold this as a standard of integrity to myself, you can imagine how I feel about the anons here.

I'd be fine with that, except I make economic decisions on websites like this and others and I may or may not want the government to know about them.

If there wasn't a group of thugs that have power over me because everyone believes their authority to be legitimate, and who are often quite arbitrary in the way they apply their laws, then I would have no problem using my real name.

I'm seeing that the more I read and watch insane conspiracy theorists videos these days (it's inevitable if you're involved in bitcoin that you'll watch Alex Jones at least once I suppose).

I still can't shake it though. Maybe I'll understand it more when something happens to me personally. I don't rule it out as a legitimate option (anonymity), but it just screams "easy exit strategy" for so many scumbags to take seriously.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:27:16 AM

This unfortunately, is also why I am still against anonymity despite it's "good" uses. It creates the perfect environment for abuse. The reason I use my real name is not to give some fake trustworthy image (as I have been accused of since day one), but because I enjoy being held accountable for my actions. It forces me to change when need be. If I hold this as a standard of integrity to myself, you can imagine how I feel about the anons here.

I'd be fine with that, except I make economic decisions on websites like this and others and I may or may not want the government to know about them.

If there wasn't a group of thugs that have power over me because everyone believes their authority to be legitimate, and who are often quite arbitrary in the way they apply their laws, then I would have no problem using my real name.

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Quote from: vampire on April 25, 2013, 10:25:31 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:20:36 AM

If you censor racism, you limit the ability to learn about racism.

But censoring spamming is totally fine. Few weeks ago there were like 50 threads started by two guys... Totally fine to ban them for useless spam.

I agree. The forum has to be usable and it's no good if the signal is drowned out by incessant noise. We only have so much time in our days to filter things out.

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Quote from: vampire on April 25, 2013, 10:25:31 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:20:36 AM

If you censor racism, you limit the ability to learn about racism.

But censoring spamming is totally fine. Few weeks ago there were like 50 threads started by two guys... Totally fine to ban them for useless spam.

The thing about spamming is, it is often self-serving and disruptive.

Normal discussions are basically like saying "You can say all the hateful things you want, but you have only 60 seconds to say it, then the next guy gets to say what he wants about you".

Spamming is like giving that first dude all day to say what he wants without even needing to hear a response. I agree spamming is wrong, simply because it doesn't promote any discussion or repercussions for being wrong (they aren't held to their mistakes to learn from them).

This unfortunately, is also why I am still against anonymity despite it's "good" uses. It creates the perfect environment for abuse. The reason I use my real name is not to give some fake trustworthy image (as I have been accused of since day one), but because I enjoy being held accountable for my actions. It forces me to change when need be. If I hold this as a standard of integrity to myself, you can imagine how I feel about the anons here.

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Quote from: vampire on April 25, 2013, 10:25:31 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:20:36 AM

If you censor racism, you limit the ability to learn about racism.

But censoring spamming is totally fine. Few weeks ago there were like 50 threads started by two guys... Totally fine to ban them for useless spam.

Agreed, and thank all the gods that's exactly what happened.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2013, 10:20:36 AM

If you censor racism, you limit the ability to learn about racism.

But censoring spamming is totally fine. Few weeks ago there were like 50 threads started by two guys... Totally fine to ban them for useless spam.

hawkeye

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I just don't like collectivists, whatever they want to call themselves (socialists, neo-cons, whatever). I can think for myself thanks very much and have no need for your cult-like group-think.

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To be absolutely honest with you guys, seeing all the racism on this forum (and the internet in general) has helped me to grow up a lot. I've seen racists, perverts and sociopaths talk it up on these forums and others, and each time I read something extreme I soak it in and feel it out (as if I were them, thinking that way). When my logic rejects it and I feel bad thinking the way they think (kind of like a completely straight guy "trying out" being gay), I know not only am I not like them, but there may in fact be fundamental problems with their thinking. In the very least, it inspires me to research more and look into the issues (and often fallacies) presented.

Allowing hate speech just for the ability to discuss why it's wrong is the single strongest reason I am now an athiest. I have always read and heard about the grace of God, but never heard why believing in the Bible is detrimental to your mental health. If I hadn't seen those arguments because some forum mod was against "hate speech", I might still believe in a magic figure floating in outer space giving my commands to not masturbate.

If you censor racism, you limit the ability to learn about racism.

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Bonkers has a point. I'm certainly no neo-con, and I don't like commies either.

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Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 10:10:16 AM

Is that your way of saying the "truth" is what neo-cons say?

WTF is this even supposed to mean? If you can't put together a coherent arguement then GTFO.

Hang on here's a simple statement to see if you can get your skull around: "Not liking socialism does not mean you subscribe to neo-conservatism"

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Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 10:07:00 AM

Quote from: Lethn on April 25, 2013, 09:58:22 AM

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative Tongue

don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

I'm no neo-con, I just see the truth.

Socialism is just irrational drivel used by the druggies and the disturbed to justify their miserable nihilist lifestyle.

Is that your way of saying the "truth" is what neo-cons say?

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Quote from: Lethn on April 25, 2013, 09:58:22 AM

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative Tongue

don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

I'm no neo-con, I just see the truth.

Socialism is just irrational drivel used by the druggies and the disturbed to justify their miserable nihilist lifestyle.

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Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:46:23 AM

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

You don't have to endorse a politician to subscribe to a political orientation.

The Guardian is a socialist and internationalist jizz-mop that promotes the usual range of irrational and self-contradictory drivel from welfare dependency and multiculturalism to global warming and eco-alarmism.

... generally read by teachers and toss pots.

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Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:46:23 AM

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative Tongue

don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

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Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 09:46:23 AM

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

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It isn't that anti-Semitism is acceptable, I suspect most of us just have the sense to immediately put them on the ignore list and watch the racist cunts' threads go all the way to the bottom, I don't know about other people but to me anti-Semitism is such an old and stupid prejudice that I can't even be bothered arguing the logic anymore, at least when people hate on other ethnic groups it's sometimes reasonably new. It won't be long now before media groups decide to accuse us of being racists now they can't attack Bitcoin because they don't understand how a block function works and just see all the hate spam that gets put on the forum.

I'm not accusing the OP of being one because you seem quite reasonable but I predict soon there will be a wave of computer illiterate morons who can't find the ignore button and will immediately call for a ban/regulation of something they have no understanding of.

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