Why is antisemetism acceptable - page 4.

bonker

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Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 10:46:23 AM

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

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Quote from: bonker on April 25, 2013, 10:49:03 AM

"Hate Speech" is a term straight out of Orwell's 1984.

I pisses me off when forums slap hate speech bans on people and I'd hate to see it happen here in a forum that is supposed to value freedom.

I'm not looking to get anyone banned.

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"Hate Speech" is a term straight out of Orwell's 1984.

I pisses me off when forums slap hate speech bans on people and I'd hate to see it happen here in a forum that is supposed to value freedom.

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Quote from: zeocrash on April 25, 2013, 10:43:59 AM

Quote from: myrkul on April 25, 2013, 10:32:53 AM

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites. They just don't like any religion there.

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Quote from: zeocrash on April 25, 2013, 10:43:59 AM

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

As for the motivation, I think Hawker said it best:

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 10:31:25 AM

The world has nutters. The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation. Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

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Quote from: myrkul on April 25, 2013, 10:32:53 AM

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

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Quote from: CIYAM on April 25, 2013, 10:34:12 AM

Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 10:31:25 AM

The world has nutters. The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation. Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

If it were *only* the nutters - unfortunately the majority of people are racist and do look for simpler explanations (thus the success of religion and politics).

Agreed. In fact, the vast majority of people are more concerned with the stuff on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ than anything we discuss. But the question is why do people accept antisemitism.

One example that baffled me was the guys that went to Mumbai from Pakistan and killed a lady in a Jewish community there. They had never met a Jew in their entire lives until they met her. And they travelled over 1000 miles for that attack. If I were a Jew, I'd find that kind of thing terrifying and move to Israel in a nanosecond but I guess most Jews are made of sterner stuff.

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Quote from: Hawker on April 25, 2013, 10:31:25 AM

The world has nutters. The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation. Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

If it were *only* the nutters - unfortunately the majority of people are racist and do look for simpler explanations (thus the success of religion and politics).

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Quote from: zeocrash on April 25, 2013, 10:25:02 AM

It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

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Quote from: zeocrash on April 25, 2013, 10:25:02 AM

It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

The world has problems. Life is hard. Stuff is complicated. That is the natural order of things.

The world has nutters. The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation. Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

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I haven't detected very much racism (although there is a lot of trolling and attacks on individuals and some groups) but this forum does *pride* itself on *not censoring* (although links to SR apparently are less acceptable than any anti-*insert whatever person/organisation you hate* diatribe).

Unfortunately racism is one thing that *is* pretty much universal (luckily some people at least are educated and/or intelligent enough to be above that).

zeocrash

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It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

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