Why is horse racing so unpopular here and a bit of extra feedback

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Quote from: joniboini on December 26, 2024, 03:38:07 AM

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And the question why people don't bet on horse racing, the reason could be that horse racing is done mostly in Arab countries and hence there may not be a global audience. Also I heard that offline gambling for horse racing is quite popular.

Can you share some statistics that show this? From what I searched online it seems like Japan, Australia, the UK, and so on have more activity on horse racing, including gambling on horse races. If anything I believe Japan's horse betting volume is one if not the biggest in the world[1]. Not sure if the stats is up to date though.

Anyway, I followed some YouTubers from Japan and they always do this yearly horse racing stream. It's quite popular and some Japanese viewers do participate on betting too. At the very least I believe it shows that their culture for horse racing is quite ingrained. CMIIW.

[1] https://www.racingpost.com/news/features/regulars/japans-betting-market-on-horseracing-provides-stark-contrast-to-that-of-britain-aLOhA5x3mJVN/

It should also be noted here that the technological development of these countries is naturally the most advanced in the world. And they have many bloggers and well-developed public communication systems. Including online casinos and bookmakers. But we should not forget the countries where technological development is inferior to these countries you listed.
For example, the countries of the Middle East and Mexico. In these countries, horse racing is also held offline, but there are no such communication opportunities and popularity on a global scale. But this does not mean at all that such races are less interesting, and that local bookmakers also very actively accept bets on horses at such races and local interested players make very large bets.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on December 24, 2024, 06:56:28 AM

And the question why people don't bet on horse racing, the reason could be that horse racing is done mostly in Arab countries and hence there may not be a global audience. Also I heard that offline gambling for horse racing is quite popular.

Can you share some statistics that show this? From what I searched online it seems like Japan, Australia, the UK, and so on have more activity on horse racing, including gambling on horse races. If anything I believe Japan's horse betting volume is one if not the biggest in the world[1]. Not sure if the stats is up to date though.

Anyway, I followed some YouTubers from Japan and they always do this yearly horse racing stream. It's quite popular and some Japanese viewers do participate on betting too. At the very least I believe it shows that their culture for horse racing is quite ingrained. CMIIW.

[1] https://www.racingpost.com/news/features/regulars/japans-betting-market-on-horseracing-provides-stark-contrast-to-that-of-britain-aLOhA5x3mJVN/

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Quote from: noormcs5 on December 24, 2024, 06:56:28 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on December 17, 2024, 05:56:33 AM

Of course, cockfights should not be compared to horse racing in terms of the death of horses or cocks. After all, horses die relatively rarely during races, compared to cockfights. And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.
So these are still events of a similar nature and horse racing should not be demonized in any way based on the facts of animals dying during competitions.

Let me get this clear a bit,, Horse racing is not as cruel sports as the cockfighting. In cockfighting we are allowing the animals (cocks) to fight against each other. In horse racing, it is just the races of the horses and there is no blood in the game. Also horse racing is one the most oldest games but they may not be popular too much these days.

And the question why people don't bet on horse racing, the reason could be that horse racing is done mostly in Arab countries and hence there may not be a global audience. Also I heard that offline gambling for horse racing is quite popular.

Yeah, probably horse racing is mainly entertainment for old-school players who naturally watch the races live or, in the worst case, on TV in live broadcast mode. It seems to me that these competitions in principle do not really attract the younger generation of players, who are already completely accustomed to online games with cryptocurrency.
But still, I think that in addition to the Middle East countries, for example, in the UK, many famous hippodromes in the country are not very empty. And of course, horse racing is held regularly and bookmakers naturally work on them.
By the way, it seems to me that betting on horses is sometimes even more interesting than on many, for example, football teams

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 17, 2024, 05:56:33 AM

Of course, cockfights should not be compared to horse racing in terms of the death of horses or cocks. After all, horses die relatively rarely during races, compared to cockfights. And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.
So these are still events of a similar nature and horse racing should not be demonized in any way based on the facts of animals dying during competitions.

Let me get this clear a bit,, Horse racing is not as cruel sports as the cockfighting. In cockfighting we are allowing the animals (cocks) to fight against each other. In horse racing, it is just the races of the horses and there is no blood in the game. Also horse racing is one the most oldest games but they may not be popular too much these days.

And the question why people don't bet on horse racing, the reason could be that horse racing is done mostly in Arab countries and hence there may not be a global audience. Also I heard that offline gambling for horse racing is quite popular.

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 24, 2024, 05:12:01 AM

I think that the maintenance of racehorses and the work in the stable, including the work of veterinarians and service personnel, is probably even more difficult in principle than the maintenance of F1 racing cars. The fact is that the animal gets old and sick and it is impossible to replace any of the animal's organs, while an F1 racing car always has many spare parts in case of aging or wear, such as wheels, and in case of a breakdown or collision. In this sense, of course, it is easier for F1 mechanics to maintain a racing car than for stable workers to maintain a live horse.

I dont know much about horse racing, horse maintenance/care and all the little things, but in F1 you cant maintain or fix your car all the time. Driver starts season with a car that is fully prepared for season, and during season you are allowed to fix only minor troubles. They even have one set of tired for several years. They dont replace each race with new tired. If during race your engine blows or suspension for example gets destroyed, you are not replace your engine, and can do only few fixes with suspension. All that is done to keep competition on a level, and let everyone be able to win a race, but not only rich teams who can replace each car each race. Teams have 2-3 cars. If they destroy all of them during season, competition is over for them. So drivers should ride more careful. With horse racing, I believe if your horse qualify, it can participate in any race. So if you are rich, you can make new horse to participate in each race. If you have stables, you can replace your racing horse all the time.

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And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.

that’s a very rare case though and usually if something happens there is a mismanagement from the team same with horses they don’t usually die in races unless someone made a mistake or has sabotaged them

But in general, during the races, horses not only sometimes die, which fortunately happens relatively rarely. But animals also get injuries that no longer allow them to participate in competitions with an effective result. Everything is exactly the same as in some types of competitions, when athletes can also get injured.

But of course, as for the cost of maintaining a stable, of course, this is in any case an expensive pleasure, but naturally this does not affect the players on the race, who simply place bets and then either win or lose. And by the way, watching the races when you have bet on a specific horse is a very exciting activity. If you try, and if you have such an opportunity to watch real races live, then you will definitely not regret it.

Do you think this is the main reason it is impolular?
Because I’d not be surprised if people simply don’t care
I mean, this is usually the standard. Most people don’t seem to think deeply about their actions and its consequences

I think that the maintenance of racehorses and the work in the stable, including the work of veterinarians and service personnel, is probably even more difficult in principle than the maintenance of F1 racing cars. The fact is that the animal gets old and sick and it is impossible to replace any of the animal's organs, while an F1 racing car always has many spare parts in case of aging or wear, such as wheels, and in case of a breakdown or collision. In this sense, of course, it is easier for F1 mechanics to maintain a racing car than for stable workers to maintain a live horse.

And probably animal rights activists also have influence on the fact that this kind of sport, associated with the exploitation of animals, would gradually be excluded from competition programs in a number of countries around the world.

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And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.

that’s a very rare case though and usually if something happens there is a mismanagement from the team same with horses they don’t usually die in races unless someone made a mistake or has sabotaged them

But in general, during the races, horses not only sometimes die, which fortunately happens relatively rarely. But animals also get injuries that no longer allow them to participate in competitions with an effective result. Everything is exactly the same as in some types of competitions, when athletes can also get injured.

But of course, as for the cost of maintaining a stable, of course, this is in any case an expensive pleasure, but naturally this does not affect the players on the race, who simply place bets and then either win or lose. And by the way, watching the races when you have bet on a specific horse is a very exciting activity. If you try, and if you have such an opportunity to watch real races live, then you will definitely not regret it.

Do you think this is the main reason it is impolular?
Because I’d not be surprised if people simply don’t care
I mean, this is usually the standard. Most people don’t seem to think deeply about their actions and its consequences

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And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.

that’s a very rare case though and usually if something happens there is a mismanagement from the team same with horses they don’t usually die in races unless someone made a mistake or has sabotaged them

But in general, during the races, horses not only sometimes die, which fortunately happens relatively rarely. But animals also get injuries that no longer allow them to participate in competitions with an effective result. Everything is exactly the same as in some types of competitions, when athletes can also get injured.

But of course, as for the cost of maintaining a stable, of course, this is in any case an expensive pleasure, but naturally this does not affect the players on the race, who simply place bets and then either win or lose. And by the way, watching the races when you have bet on a specific horse is a very exciting activity. If you try, and if you have such an opportunity to watch real races live, then you will definitely not regret it.

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 17, 2024, 05:56:33 AM

Of course, cockfights should not be compared to horse racing in terms of the death of horses or cocks. After all, horses die relatively rarely during races, compared to cockfights.

that is because the point of cockfights is to literally kill one you don’t win with both chickens alive if you want to win you are going to have to bet on the stronger chicken who can kill the opponent meanwhile horses don’t have to kill each other they just need to be the fastest

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And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.

that’s a very rare case though and usually if something happens there is a mismanagement from the team same with horses they don’t usually die in races unless someone made a mistake or has sabotaged them

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Quote from: hedgeh0g on December 19, 2024, 06:11:32 AM

In my country, there are no such competitions with horse racing, but someday I may go to the races and maybe my opinion will change, but for now I can’t talk about it.

In my home country they still do these types of competitions in some places, I have never gotten into horse racing, but when everything came out that this was about animal abuse, everything lost its meaning, because a lot of animal abuse was discovered and that is something very bad, if they do it in my country or continue to do it I think it is illegal and where I am currently I have not seen competitions of this style, so it is unpopular and it seems that this activity could be prohibited if we look at it from a more radical sense.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on December 22, 2024, 10:08:34 AM

On a lighter note, why has no one considered that you can't force the horse to do anything has something to do with this? Remember the popular axiom, "you can't force the horse to drink water..." Horses don't want to be seen much, racing 😏

Horses refuse to race all the time:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/67513340

Shishkin was 1.6 favorite, a veteran horse with 13/17 wins, and he was one good horse that enjoyed racing, other horses in grade 4 or 5 are doing this on a daily basis, or if they start they don't want to run any faster than a gallop and the jockey abandon the race, it also happens when they see no point in chasing the leading pack as they won't finish in time, so unlike greyhounds horses are indeed fickle.

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Can you afford a football team? Can you afford to hire Messi for a year?
I guess the answer is no, but you still bet on football right? So!?!

You're right, and I guess delfastTions was trying to base their response on the unpopular nature and limited race course there are, not realizing (I hope so) that all bettors have to do is place bets and not worry about the cost of setting one up.

On a lighter note, why has no one considered that you can't force the horse to do anything has something to do with this? Remember the popular axiom, "you can't force the horse to drink water..." Horses don't want to be seen much, racing 😏

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Quote from: bubilas on December 17, 2024, 08:00:29 AM

No, my friend, and I have never tried it. And why should I? I like to place bets while sitting in my chair, and I understand that horse racing is interesting, but I would like to see it live and hear the roar of the crowd around me. But I know that I will not have such an opportunity.

So you like putting bets while sitting on your chair or while going out to see a race because you don't make sense with the first part!
You can watch live every single race, most betting sites offer live streaming for them, and I don't see why someone who gambles on CL for example without being able to go to watch a CL game would not bet on any football game at all.

Quote from: delfastTions on November 27, 2024, 02:12:23 AM

Of course, it is expensive to maintain a stable. Good racehorses are even more expensive. And in general, this sport is certainly elite and only a few rich people can afford to have racehorses. But I still think that racing cannot be replaced by competitions such as Formula-1 or motorcycle racing.

Can you afford a football team? Can you afford to hire Messi for a year?
I guess the answer is no, but you still bet on football right? So!?!

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Let's keep this as simple as possible and let's not shitpost!

I see thousands of posts about football, a few hundred about other sports, and the rest are just almost non-existent. I'm a gambler myself but I stopped a while ago betting on soccer, all the Nxx in American sports and I'm just betting now and then on horse racing, from one penny at a time to some larger sums in case of a grade 1 event or festival.
But here it seems like there is little interest in this, is that because horse racing is just unpopular or is it because, well,.... the casinos that sponsor most signatures here are not promoting it? So no post quota to make? Grin

My old local gambling forum that covered this is also near death, I'm sitting in the sun 8 hours a day boring myself to death, so here comes feedback next part :

- Is anyone here actually gambling on horse racing?

No, my friend, and I have never tried it. And why should I? I like to place bets while sitting in my chair, and I understand that horse racing is interesting, but I would like to see it live and hear the roar of the crowd around me. But I know that I will not have such an opportunity.
However, the world of gambling is so diverse that you can find any other kind of gambling and entertainment, from cards to plinko.

And I do not trust horse racing, because they can give a horse an injection, and this will change its state

I think that when racing is held at a serious enough level, there should be control over the use of doping for horses. But of course, if these are not races in some local area, but competitions are held in a developed country like Great Britain or in the southern states of the USA. By the way, probably the jockeys themselves also most likely take doping tests.
It would be strange if, given the current state of high-performance sports in general, no one did this.

I completely agree with you that there is complete control before the start of the race and the cameras and judges observe the laws where the team and the horse are kept. But if we constantly hear about scandals at the Olympics and new sophisticated doping, then why can't there be some imperceptible effects on racing horses? I'm sure they exist.
For example, just read this crazy headline from a website about horse racing:

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CAS acquitted Swiss rider Steiner in a doping case. Her horse ate hay on which a man who took doping had urinated

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Quote from: hedgeh0g on December 19, 2024, 06:11:32 AM

In my country, there are no such competitions with horse racing, but someday I may go to the races and maybe my opinion will change, but for now I can’t talk about it.

But even in those countries where horse racing or show jumping is common, not many people are interested in these types of competitions. Of course, these are still elite sports and the cost of keeping racehorses or horses trained for show jumping is very high. And very few rich people can afford it. Even here on our forum, the issue of horse racing and especially betting on horses on these bets is rarely discussed.

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is that because horse racing is just unpopular

Horse racing is an expensive money-making endeavor which requires some investment for support. Due to this factor the relevant business is gradually dies down in many locations around the world. Thus, locals have lost interest in horse racing. Besides they are recouping by other racing events^{motorcycle racing one of them}. Forum just reflects the tendency at the local levels.

Of course, it is expensive to maintain a stable. Good racehorses are even more expensive. And in general, this sport is certainly elite and only a few rich people can afford to have racehorses. But I still think that racing cannot be replaced by competitions such as Formula-1 or motorcycle racing. These are all technical sports and it is not entirely correct to compare them with competitions in which animals participate. And technical sports, in my opinion, will never completely displace sports such as horse racing from the competition schedules. These are ancient sports and now they have already become traditions. And as we know, traditions are passed from generation to generation and live for a very long time.

The development of the times has influenced the change of interest from horse racing to other sports such as moto gp, moto cross and even F1 today, in my opinion the change has reflected how society is adapting to economic and cultural changes in the modern era today, motorbike racing actually offers more attraction because of the action and speed offered, In my opinion, the decline in popularity of horse racing is due to the fact that it now seem to have become a high profile sport just like golf, In addition, motorbike racing which is often more accessible to spectator and fans has clearly pushed the sport to a greater level of popularity than horse racing.

I have never bet on horse racing or watched it, because it is not popular among my circle. I think the environment we are in and the people with whom we can bet on the same game influences. Of course, I can start watching and betting on them, but I am absolutely not competent in these competitions and I do not really want to learn anything new here, I would rather bet on something where I know a lot of players and a team, as well as the style of play and advantages. Because of this, I can get more victories, although luck can do the opposite)

In my country, there are no such competitions with horse racing, but someday I may go to the races and maybe my opinion will change, but for now I can’t talk about it.

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is that because horse racing is just unpopular

Horse racing is an expensive money-making endeavor which requires some investment for support. Due to this factor the relevant business is gradually dies down in many locations around the world. Thus, locals have lost interest in horse racing. Besides they are recouping by other racing events^{motorcycle racing one of them}. Forum just reflects the tendency at the local levels.

Of course, it is expensive to maintain a stable. Good racehorses are even more expensive. And in general, this sport is certainly elite and only a few rich people can afford to have racehorses. But I still think that racing cannot be replaced by competitions such as Formula-1 or motorcycle racing. These are all technical sports and it is not entirely correct to compare them with competitions in which animals participate. And technical sports, in my opinion, will never completely displace sports such as horse racing from the competition schedules. These are ancient sports and now they have already become traditions. And as we know, traditions are passed from generation to generation and live for a very long time.

The development of the times has influenced the change of interest from horse racing to other sports such as moto gp, moto cross and even F1 today, in my opinion the change has reflected how society is adapting to economic and cultural changes in the modern era today, motorbike racing actually offers more attraction because of the action and speed offered, In my opinion, the decline in popularity of horse racing is due to the fact that it now seem to have become a high profile sport just like golf, In addition, motorbike racing which is often more accessible to spectator and fans has clearly pushed the sport to a greater level of popularity than horse racing.

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Quote from: satscraper on November 26, 2024, 04:29:53 AM

Horse racing is an expensive money-making endeavor which requires some investment for support. Due to this factor the relevant business is gradually dies down in many locations around the world. Thus, locals have lost interest in horse racing. Besides they are recouping by other racing events^{motorcycle racing one of them}. Forum just reflects the tendency at the local levels.

Rightly stated, maintaining a racing horse could be expensive than maintaining some motorbikes for racing and even vehicles, besides racing horses are really expensive so that discourages people to venture into the sports except for polo, and the people who eventually does turns out to be a very few thereby reducing variety and the interest of Gamblers on such as picks.

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Thanks on very valuable information that will help users here to understand what’s really happening in the background for this kind of animal sports. Seriously, I’m not aware that there’s a lot of horses dying on the race since I thought they are well trained and high maintenance on this kind of sports given that they are normally running in the wild.

It is a business first and foremost so it is incomparable to horses running in the wild. I would not be surprised if some horse owners would do anything to get their horses to win like maybe drug them or inject them with something that could alter performance. Humans are greedy and horse racing or anything that uses animals for entertainment can be harmful to them.

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Unlike cock fight which is battle to death and the match is destined to kill each other. I thought horse racing is just a mere race which the horse is naturally designed.

Now cock fight is the most popular one here in my country but as far as I know it is typically illegal or at the very least discouraged. I am not a huge fan of this. While I do enjoy a good chicken, it is disheartening to see a chicken limp its way to its opponent bloody and wounded.

Of course, cockfights should not be compared to horse racing in terms of the death of horses or cocks. After all, horses die relatively rarely during races, compared to cockfights. And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.
So these are still events of a similar nature and horse racing should not be demonized in any way based on the facts of animals dying during competitions.

The comparison made due to there is a life got affected with what those people do. That's why I don't bet nor watch on this what they called sport since its like they are torturing those horses just to fulfill their competitiveness to win the race.

Same goes with Cockfighting I don't also a fan with this since the way how things goes with this is so brutal. That's why didn't even bother to place some bets on those sports category which involve live animals.

Those sports is famous only on several countries that's why not everyone discuss any related matters on this betting option.

That's right. The spread of these sports or competitions is limited to a relatively small number of different countries and is discussed on our forum quite little. In addition, if cockfights are practiced in a larger number of countries, then competitions related to horses in a smaller number of countries also because keeping horses is a rather expensive business. And this can only be done in areas suitable for such maintenance with the appropriate climate and ecology. And in such areas there are relatively few local residents who are interested in such competitions. So it turns out that there are not very many fans of horse racing in the world. But this does not mean that these competitions should gradually disappear. It would simply be much better if they turned into more aesthetic competitions when horses show their grace, beautiful elements and training. And then, of course, the deaths of horses driven during the race can be avoided.

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Thanks on very valuable information that will help users here to understand what’s really happening in the background for this kind of animal sports. Seriously, I’m not aware that there’s a lot of horses dying on the race since I thought they are well trained and high maintenance on this kind of sports given that they are normally running in the wild.

It is a business first and foremost so it is incomparable to horses running in the wild. I would not be surprised if some horse owners would do anything to get their horses to win like maybe drug them or inject them with something that could alter performance. Humans are greedy and horse racing or anything that uses animals for entertainment can be harmful to them.

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Unlike cock fight which is battle to death and the match is destined to kill each other. I thought horse racing is just a mere race which the horse is naturally designed.

Now cock fight is the most popular one here in my country but as far as I know it is typically illegal or at the very least discouraged. I am not a huge fan of this. While I do enjoy a good chicken, it is disheartening to see a chicken limp its way to its opponent bloody and wounded.

Of course, cockfights should not be compared to horse racing in terms of the death of horses or cocks. After all, horses die relatively rarely during races, compared to cockfights. And as for the death of horses during competitions, we must take into account that human athletes sometimes die during competitions, for example, during marathons.
So these are still events of a similar nature and horse racing should not be demonized in any way based on the facts of animals dying during competitions.

The comparison made due to there is a life got affected with what those people do. That's why I don't bet nor watch on this what they called sport since its like they are torturing those horses just to fulfill their competitiveness to win the race.

Same goes with Cockfighting I don't also a fan with this since the way how things goes with this is so brutal. That's why didn't even bother to place some bets on those sports category which involve live animals.

Those sports is famous only on several countries that's why not everyone discuss any related matters on this betting option.

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