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June 14, 2014, 05:36:02 PM
#91
Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

We have recently raised our reviewing standards to look for more than just trojans and security exploits. SC and CINNI were not subjected to that kind of scrutiny. We will investigate them, though. And if it turns out that they are like SuperCoin and deliberately inserted those values, then we might have a problem. I cannot comment on them at this point, since we have not looked over the code yet for things like this.

We are attempting to raise the bar on the quality of the coins we list. We are well aware that this stance will be met with some opposition, particularly when a popular coin is rejected, but we are willing to take the heat for that. The idle pursuit of volume was never the intention behind Poloniex.

Thank you for your respons! I like the fact that you are trying to proffesionalize your exchange and encourage you to raise these standards in retrospective. Much appreciated
sr. member
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June 14, 2014, 05:34:47 PM
#90
Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

We have recently raised our reviewing standards to look for more than just trojans and security exploits. SC and CINNI were not subjected to that kind of scrutiny. We will investigate them, though. And if it turns out that they are like SuperCoin and deliberately inserted those values, then we might have a problem. I cannot comment on them at this point, since we have not looked over the code yet for things like this.

We are attempting to raise the bar on the quality of the coins we list. We are well aware that this stance will be met with some opposition, particularly when a popular coin is rejected, but we are willing to take the heat for that. The idle pursuit of volume was never the intention behind Poloniex.

If your whole reasoning is "they could possibly change the way the coin works in the future", then why list any coin at all? Every coin can hard fork to a completely new algo/PoW system/stake %/total # of coins/whatever at any time, and if you're afraid of that possibility you might as well de-list every coin right now and shut down your exchange.
hero member
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June 14, 2014, 05:31:20 PM
#89
In any event, the code/daemon was not ready for the exchange.

Fix the code, submit it again, then it may make it. Obviously, it didn't have any actual support if it dumped. Obviously, that supporting price was a false illusion. Does that when people buy and sell their own coins to make it look like volume is high. Sell the same coin 100 times, it looks like 100 units of volume. Reality was, it was 1 unit of volume, which cost a small fraction in trade-fees, to make it look 100x bigger than it actually was.

Seems we need to have a "Formula", which is locked within the GENESIS-BLOCK-SEED, so it can't be altered and can easily be identified. Even if only a representation, like hard-coding the MAX-BLOCK-COINS and MAX-STAKE-COINS, or other limits. (Even if unlimited. For those coins without limits.)

Then it will not matter what code is used, as long as it fits within the hard-coded limits, which have to check against the GENESIS-BLOCK-SEED. (That only requires "digging for a genesis block seed", with a corresponding value.)

However, the old trick of just generating a "valid" seed, would no-longer be acceptable, since it has to be valid, and with a specific corresponding output comparison.

In any event, that code is essentially useless, if it is beyond the range of possible coins. Like 0.00000000 isn't even possible anyways. While checking to see if it is below 150,000,000 when the max total will only be 50,000,000 is equally as redundantly stupid. The only reason for it, would be so someone can do a massive double-spend attack, or other block-altering, which will not harm the network as a whole, just those who are on the same altered chain as them. Which, the program we ALL USE would say... Sure, a spend of 100,000,000 is OK, it's under 150,000,000.

However, I would review some of the other coins now, for that same issue. Time for someone to update their instant-auto-coin-maker programs.

P.S. The price of SUPER was falling before they said anything. You are getting mad because the crash just happened to continue, after the news. (News which few people read. Not that moving a coin to another exchange actually adds value, it decreases it anyways. You expose it to more people who want to dump.) Don't get your causality construed.
sr. member
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Owner of Poloniex
June 14, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
#88
Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

We have recently raised our reviewing standards to look for more than just trojans and security exploits. SC and CINNI were not subjected to that kind of scrutiny. We will investigate them, though. And if it turns out that they are like SuperCoin and deliberately inserted those values, then we might have a problem. I cannot comment on them at this point, since we have not looked over the code yet for things like this.

We are attempting to raise the bar on the quality of the coins we list. We are well aware that this stance will be met with some opposition, particularly when a popular coin is rejected, but we are willing to take the heat for that. The idle pursuit of volume was never the intention behind Poloniex.
legendary
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June 14, 2014, 05:28:40 PM
#87
@busoni,

did you review codes for all those scam coins listed on Poloniex?

legendary
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jakiman is back!
June 14, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
#86
Here is the updated specs after hard fork.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7273647

Here is the dev stating that it's now 1/3 of the old plan.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7266883

To me, it's just them forgetting to change it. Code checked out by multiple people now.

@busoni, you should have consulted with the dev first as you obviously didn't even know about the hard fork.

Can you explain how he can claim something while the running code tells different ?

That piece of running code is harmless and didn't/doesn't cause any extra coins. (even busoni said so)
It's something that actually doesn't make any difference to the actual coin supply by itself.
Everyone can make a mistake and supercoin dev most likely forgot to update it.

We'll see. AFAIK,. the supercoin dev is asleep right now.
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June 14, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
#85
I like how busoni got called out on all of his points and ridiculed, then stopped responding completely.
hero member
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June 14, 2014, 05:27:11 PM
#84


You know Spoetnik, every time I read one of your posts I wonder if you are compensating for something you dare not admit to yourself in your private life.......
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June 14, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
#83
People who hold supercoin are crying like babies, grow up and accept the truth. No one knows intetions of Supercoin dev but he did something wrong and all should accept that.
legendary
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June 14, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
#82
busoni

Please add Supercoin on Poloniex.

thank you very much. Smiley
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
June 14, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
#81
diversion tactics won't work guys  Roll Eyes

classic.. YOU get caught so you attempt to discredit the guy that caught you.
Oh internet your so creative ahahha
Do you guys think you just invented the cover up technique or something ?

yeah.. bam.... puuuuuhleeeeze lol

I'm not affiliated with SUPER in any way and have never bought or mined SUPER, I just thought people should know how completely and utterly wrong Poloniex is here.

but he's not.. what you just said is not true.
for one thing the exchange can pick and choose what ever coins they want to add.. they are not obligated to add any of them.
so how can he be wrong on that point ?
and on the other major point.. what he said is verified .. i checked it myself and he is 100% dead on about it.
It's been explained..
so i have no choice but to believe you and others are lying and playing games now to cover up the truth.
And the truth is he found a contradiction that looks fishy.
And that IS the truth.

if i have to choose one or the other to believe i believe Poloniex staff not the anon cloner..
and i can tell you all i too have no Super coins etc and if i did i would still say the same thing anyway.. truth is truth .
Suck it up..
for the good of our scene please lol
Quit being lying manipulative game playing scammers invested scam coins defending them.. you make ALL of us look bad  Angry
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June 14, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
#80
meanwile... at poloniex
legendary
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June 14, 2014, 05:21:09 PM
#79
it seems there are some misunderstanding on Supercoin total amount, the old total amount is like you said,

but Supercoin do make a hard fork several days ago.


please check this:

Here is the updated specs after the recent hard fork.
Which obviously many newcomers don't know about.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7273647

Here is the dev stating that it's now 1/3 of the old plan. It was 150 mil before Now 50 mil total.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7266883

To me, it's just them forgetting to change it. Code checked out by multiple people now. There are no extra coins.

busoni should have consulted with the dev first as he didn't even know about the hard fork.

thank you very much busoni, i like Poloniex, and i do want supercoin be lised in Poloniex.

Please think this again.

much appreciated!
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June 14, 2014, 05:19:25 PM
#78
Here is the updated specs after hard fork.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7273647

Here is the dev stating that it's now 1/3 of the old plan.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7266883

To me, it's just them forgetting to change it. Code checked out by multiple people now.

@busoni, you should have consulted with the dev first as you obviously didn't even know about the hard fork.

Can you explain how he can claim something while the running code tells different ?
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June 14, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
#77
The code in the bitcoinrpc.cpp busoni posted

Line 99

Code:
if (dAmount <= 0.0 || dAmount > 150000000.0) 	99	if (dAmount <= 0.0 || dAmount > MAX_MONEY)

Why change MAX_MONEY and hardcode when
it's set in the main.h file?

https://github.com/supercoinproject/supercoin/blob/master/src/main.h#L38




Did I say I'm not listing it because it was cloned?

jakiman said that the value may have been leftover from the old SUPER coin. I am saying that is not very likely, because this coin was cloned from Honorcoin, not the old SUPER coin. See bitcoinrpc.cpp of Honorcoin and (new) SuperCoin side by side: http://www.diffchecker.com/j8xl540o



Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

BAM!
legendary
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103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
June 14, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
#76
Welp I'm done with poloniex

Bittrex and mintpal all the way for now on
legendary
Activity: 1638
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jakiman is back!
June 14, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
#75
Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

Seems poloniex will be busy going through every coin they have listed now as they'll need to de-list a LOT.
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Activity: 126
Merit: 100
June 14, 2014, 05:16:20 PM
#74
Grab the popcorn, the fun is just starting. lol

Let's take a look at some other popular coins on Poloniex:

Silkcoin
Maximum POW supply: ~45 million

Great, let's check the code:

Code:
static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 2000000000 * COIN;

Uh oh, 2 billion is a lot more than 45 million! Better de-list SC right away!

Cinni
Total Coins: 15,000,000

Hmm...

Code:
static const int64 MAX_MONEY = 100000000 * COIN;

I'm not very good at math but I think 100 million may be slightly more than 15 million.

Strange that you never gave a shit about things like this before?

Ahahahahahahahha

oke, this changes things i would say. . 

?? care to comment busoni
sr. member
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June 14, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
#73
Well Done,
I'm loving seeing Ethic,s over profits Smiley
Poloniex just Raised the bar again.
 Grin Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
Activity: 371
Merit: 250
June 14, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
#72
diversion tactics won't work guys  Roll Eyes

classic.. YOU get caught so you attempt to discredit the guy that caught you.
Oh internet your so creative ahahha
Do you guys think you just invented the cover up technique or something ?

yeah.. bam.... puuuuuhleeeeze lol

I'm not affiliated with SUPER in any way and have never bought or mined SUPER, I just thought people should know how completely and utterly wrong Poloniex is here.
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