Topic: Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? - page 2. (Read 752 times)

It's not strength to invade foreign countries and blow trillions of dollars there with no net gain at best, and likely with a whole new generation growing up to hate the US. "Insanity" is more like it.

This makes little sense why would Americans leave the country where there have been isolated attacks from terrorists and go to a war torn country? Their chance of survival would be better at home and not in a country which has been one of the biggest areas in the world for conflict recently. It was in the best interest of America to put the Afghanistan government in control and out of control of the taliban because they consolidate the power in the middle east. That has now changed and it is only because Biden is more conservative than previous presidents that America has withdrawn. I think Trump put in the order to withdraw before Biden was elected but the presidents before that have continued the war even when people were requesting America to withdraw.

Yes, Bin Laden was apprehended in Pakistan, but his training and camp were set up in Afghanistan, and he launched most of his attacks from there, so the Americans reasoned that deposing the Taliban, who had been in control since 1996, would weaken al-Qaeda's activities.

The Taliban retreated to the south after the Americans invaded Afghanistan and took control from them, while its leaders escaped to Pakistan. It's a tremendous failure to spend 20 years in Afghanistan and not be able to retake the south from the Taliban.

This is a big motivation to other Islamic State militias operating In Africa, America must show strength.

funny how the word "problem" getting in the routine of the regime propagandist... for those humans here, you have certainly already banned them, but funnily they pop like toxic mushrooms...

My problem with this rationale is that Osama Bin Laden was captured in Pakistan. If an occupying presence stays too long in one place, the terrorists can just move elsewhere.

The Americans failed when they agreed to remove their soldiers from Afghanistan in exchange for a stop to the attacks on American military bases and residents during a friendly meeting with the Taliban last year.

To avoid another terrorist assault on American territory like the one that occurred on September 11, 2001, Americans have been in Afghanistan since 2001 for their own safety, not for the safety of Afghans.

The civil war has been on going the last 20 years and the country is at the moment more stable than it was the past 20 years. atm there is no war the taliban have seized control now we have to wait how the world reacts and whether there will be new attacks on the new government in Afghanistan. Biden has said he will not be going back to war I think the war is over and the people of Afghanistan could suffer if the new rulers are what the western media has been portraying them as. 

I think Afganistan will not fall into a prolonged state of war again. Now, there will be an effort for peace and prosperity. Their people want no more war and fight. They are sick of nearly 30 years of fighting. Initial steps of the Taliban are showing that they will seek the solution, understanding for all fighting groups. They will make effort for peace , development, and restoration of employment & a better economy.

So the first problem was that the Afghan special forces where the first ones to fight the Taliban. They got completely surrounded and were left alone, there was no USA air support, or troops from the Afghan National Army. After all the special forces got wiped out it was pretty much over the. The normal Afghan Army was not trained to actually believe in their cause. They just took the salary and new equipment from the coalition and as soon as the real fighting started they went home. Really sad.

I want to know why the army of 20 years was beaten and collapsed in 2 weeks?
Although Taliban guarantees that Afghan war has ended, they will forgive all opponents.
But people in Kabul is very panic. May now Afghan women and girls will begin to prohibit education.

As the United States accelerates its withdrawal from Afghanistan, the withdrawal of the United States has exacerbated the imbalance of Afghanistan's internal power. At present, Afghanistan will fall into a situation of prolonged or normalized civil war.I also saw the video about the airport. Those people wanted to catch American planes. That scene deeply touched me. Human lives are so small and humble in the war. This is terrible.

Preventing another 9/11 style attack. Preventing terrorists from having a safe haven in Afghanistan. Giving basic human rights that Democrats claim to care about to the people of Afghanistan.

We have had less than 23 combat-related troop deaths per year since 2015. While we should do everything to prevent American military losses, this is a small price to pay compared to the next Obama Bin Ladin being able to carry out another 9/11 style attack.

There are currently somewhere between 11 and 40 thousand Americans in Afghanistan who need to leave the country. The Taliban currently has a "ring" around the Kabul airport, which is the only way out of the country. This does not count the thousands of Afghan translators who helped the US over the last 20 years.

To put the above another way, the Taliban currently has up to 40,000 American hostages. In the last 24 hours, the US was able to evacuate around 700 Americans out of Afghanistan.

Country may end up split-up  with a break away Northern Alliance
https://www.reddit.com/r/afghanistan/comments/p65wye/possible_new_footage_from_panjshir/

The Afghan military has been fighting the war since 2014. Trump did not make the decision to recruit, nor train them. The Afghan military relied on air and logistics support from the US, which Biden removed.

Trump was going to withdraw from Afghanistan but was going to keep Bagram air force base so we could still easily launch airstrikes. Trump would also only withdraw troops based on the conditions on the ground.

Trump was going to continue to provide the Afghan military support via air support. Biden basically handed the country over to the Taliban.

Biden is going to keep silent on Afghanistan as long as possible. He is going to avoid answering questions on Afghanistan for even longer. I am willing to bet that Biden will not take questions tomorrow. Biden saying anything on Afghanistan will hurt him politically. If Biden does not get his messaging on Afghanistan exactly right, it will end his presidency, and how Afghanistan was handled may end it anyway.

Biden was warned about the consequences of abandoning Afghanistan, but he did it anyway. He ignored advice from military and national security advisors. His administration was unprepared for how quickly the Taliban was able to take over.

The war in afghanistan has claimed thousands of lives and displaced millions. In an agreement with the united states the taliban has promised that it will not allow afghanistan to become a base for any terrorist group that could pose a threat to western countries the local political culture cannot be changed by force of arms in any society. The afghan war has been won by local social forces against america if this education reduces military aggression around the world, it will be a good achievement to end the Afghan war.

On the press menu for Joe Biden - https://twitter.com/KellieMeyerNews/status/1427802209740369921

No mention of Afghanistan (unless things changed), it's only Covid related. Situation hasn't improved and the Biden administration isn't even sure how many US citizens remain in the region. Current plans are for US military protection of Kabul's airport to end August 31st, no guarantee that Americans will be on a flight home by that time, they're being told to shelter in place for the moment, and fill out an e-form. So a clusterfuck, for lack of a better term.
 

actually YOUR OWN theory.. the extra 4000 troops in 2017(YOU MENTIONED). were added to increase the amount of training and advising..
meaning US had to INCREASE training.

as for me getting the clip of trump from a comic.
it was more about ease of a short clip to display.
i had links of trumps whole speach but that 2 hour video was just trumptardy gorilla chest beating. so i just looked up a quick link to a short version.

as for the afghans getting off their asses.. well when US done a deal WITH the taliban. its pretty much a stand down order for those fighting against the taliban to not put up a fight

oh and lets not forget. the taliban in afghanistan.. actually are afghanistan people too


imagine a dystopian version of america over the last 20 years
imagine it more like europe invading america 20 years ago and dictating that republicans are the enemy and europeans were training democrats to fight the republicans.
then dacade(s) later the europeans withdraw by doing a deal with republicans to win over the country as long as mexicans didnt take over..
no one likes the republicans but they are trying to force in their own government.
europeans are pretending that republicans are not true americans even though they let republicans invade the capital..
now its just time to get a real election where maybe the republicans step back and democrats take charge politically

So if your theory is right those guys retiring should have trained their successors in their own language instead of having Yankee soldier yell "hey fucktard" (kid you not seen this in a evening news broadcast but fucktard was bleeped out lol). The successors should have trained well and the people that you claim now work in supermarkets or other industries should have gotten off their asses and fought for their own country. Bet the veterans that are now working in other industries right now in our country will fight for us when shit hits the fan and perception of the FED stamps and class is removed from our minds.  Ok so you get your news from a late night comic while I post from the BBC news. If you were trying to make a comic point then make it. Enough said.

you do know the Afghans trained 20 years ago retired right..

most of the afghan military of 2016+ were not even born when the battles began
when you realise that most military frontlines are filled with people 18-24.. you have to realise that the guys trained in 2003 are now like 40yo and retired. probably working as security for supermarkets or bars now.
and the afghans in the military 2016+ are fresh recruits in their prime 18-24, trained(if you can call it that) recently


funny part is you pretend trump "wanted" as if it was a wish he didnt follow through on..  and not a physical act.. but reality is that he actually created a policy to withdraw troops in 2020.. and he made it so that it was near impossible to undo this policy by any new administration.. oops you forgot that bit
even last month trump was proudly chest beating how he actually made the policy that cant be undone
https://youtu.be/Fb0oBYkO--I?t=281
last year TRUMP organised a reduction of troops by july 2020 and a full removal by may 2021
emphasis trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020%E2%80%932021)#Withdrawal
trump cut a deal WITH THE TALIBAN they they can take power as long as the taliban dont let al-queda take power

seems your trump fangirlism makes you not see real history and only see trumps glossy pamphlets.
and no tweet links from other fangirls will change history. it will just blind other fangirls into being fangirls and ignorant of history

The only thing I slightly agree with you on is the right vs. left or corrupt vs. lesser evil narrative is shit and it sucks. I guess I'm showing who I've become more right leaning over the years than left leaning. BTW I did not even respond to you so I guess you failed part of your own test. As for the other part of the IQ test you failed at is grammar test so I'll correct the quote above for you:

There should be IQ and culture tests before someone posts what is on their mind .

I even expanded the thoughts that were your sentence. No, the forum doesn't suck I don't blame the coding it is rather dated though to have Flash as a post option. I think some of the people suck though.