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legendary
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March 06, 2024, 05:04:26 PM
#65
I think AI will take over a lot of these things.  I'm actually against it, I like the human element of the game and don't want it so robotic.  Even in other sports same thing, no need for refs at a certain point.  The one thing it will take out of the equation is corruption by the officials or refs.  Even then someone will find a loophole to exploit.  But yeah it's probably coming.
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March 06, 2024, 04:02:56 PM
#64
It is true that VAR have been making some errors lately but what do we expect? VAR simply stands for Video Assistant Referee which comprises of some set of people who assist the referee to review some decisions and so on, so since we know that humans are the ones that assist the referee then mistakes and errors are bound to happen because no one is perfect. Some decisions are very difficult to assess despite using VAR to review them and it seems only AI can be perfect to make perfect decisions on tight situations just like the Goal line technology.

AI would be the perfect solution to put an end to all this drama because no human can be perfect as AI. People will not say some clubs are being favored anymore.
I also look at it from that angle because AI has done a good job in the world in this short period of time but can AI do the work perfectly without the assistance of human? That should be another question that should be rising if the change finally take place. I discovered the malfunctioning of VAR the match between Nigeria and Argentina in the year 2022 Qatar World Cup. The penalty that was issued against Nigeria to favour Argentina was in question. Well
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February 27, 2024, 08:31:34 AM
#63
It is true that VAR have been making some errors lately but what do we expect? VAR simply stands for Video Assistant Referee which comprises of some set of people who assist the referee to review some decisions and so on, so since we know that humans are the ones that assist the referee then mistakes and errors are bound to happen because no one is perfect. Some decisions are very difficult to assess despite using VAR to review them and it seems only AI can be perfect to make perfect decisions on tight situations just like the Goal line technology.

AI would be the perfect solution to put an end to all this drama because no human can be perfect as AI. People will not say some clubs are being favored anymore.
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February 27, 2024, 08:08:27 AM
#62
This is very possible for AI to take over VAR in their future because due to the accuracy sometimes there could be some errors in the VAR but with AI there will be always an accuracy along the process, but we can also think about the advantage and the disadvantages over human. When such AI is introduces we can say it would occupy the space of human where creating little space for employment. If a bot is being fixed to handle such position meaning it would be program in way where human won't control rather it would control itself maybe at the late end of the game there could be some review to detects the common errors.
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February 27, 2024, 03:26:13 AM
#61
Well, in life we all experience growth and changes and the world it self is rapidly growing with so many advancements in the technological aspects of humanity. Since the advance of ai. Men has seen it as a way to assist humanity and support man artificially.

Implementing the use of Ai, in the aspect of sport won't be a debate for long as we can already see the need for it to be designed as assistant in various aspects. The var for long has been a way to help refree detect foul that may not be caught with the physical eyes. During these field events. There might be so many activities going on at same time and one may not focus on them at once.
This will assist a long long as the refree will be aided artificially in these aspect. So long they are designed to avoid error reports then probably if they are designed it will help a long way.
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February 23, 2024, 10:52:06 AM
#60
Before we criticized VAR we should know that there is nothing wrong with VAR but the humans who control the machine. VAR cannot function without humans controlling an aspect of it. It is these referees who make VAR ineffective because of poor decisions regardless of the presence of VAR. I think the referees should be sensitized to the need to make proper use of VAR and any referee who officials unjustly or neglects to review incidents when necessary should be dismissed outrightly because that will make a lot of them transparently because of the fear of dismissal.

Advocating for AI will also not solve the problem because no matter how perfect AI will be referees will make it imperfect and then we would start advocating for another system. I think we should target the cause and the effect will be corrected. For instance, when Newcastle played against Arsenal, the ball went out of play but the goal stood after the game we heard that cameras could not cover that angle coupled with other reasonings just to justify the decision but if this is the case, then they should make sure camera covers every angle in the pitch to prevent such errors in subsequent matches and thus enhance officiating.
I think it will only  be a matter of time before AI gets used to upgrade on VAR or infused into the VAR program to make decisions rather than just the mere functions of just replay, fast-forward, pause, zoom in, different camera angles.
The fear that humans can also decide to encode different softwares of AI into VAR programs across various leagues and competitions that have been accepting the use of VAR to assist the referee make good decisions is one that is still making it just a referee assistant for now.

I agree with Mourinho about how well the VAR functions and aids good referee decision during CAF use for their tournament, however, I believe by still keeping the use of VAR limited to just video and playback assistance, AI won't take over human resources as per soccer or sports officiating is concerned because the controversy of an AI software being hacked during a huge tournament is by far worse than just a bad referee decision at a moment.
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February 23, 2024, 09:53:58 AM
#59
Before we criticized VAR we should know that there is nothing wrong with VAR but the humans who control the machine. VAR cannot function without humans controlling an aspect of it. It is these referees who make VAR ineffective because of poor decisions regardless of the presence of VAR. I think the referees should be sensitized to the need to make proper use of VAR and any referee who officials unjustly or neglects to review incidents when necessary should be dismissed outrightly because that will make a lot of them transparently because of the fear of dismissal.

Advocating for AI will also not solve the problem because no matter how perfect AI will be referees will make it imperfect and then we would start advocating for another system. I think we should target the cause and the effect will be corrected. For instance, when Newcastle played against Arsenal, the ball went out of play but the goal stood after the game we heard that cameras could not cover that angle coupled with other reasonings just to justify the decision but if this is the case, then they should make sure camera covers every angle in the pitch to prevent such errors in subsequent matches and thus enhance officiating.
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February 23, 2024, 09:47:00 AM
#58
Having human intervention is always better, in my opinion. Humans using technology to make decisions better should always be the maximum level of using artificial intelligence or technology. Something like goal line clearance is done is perfectly fine. In any case, I don't think AI is good enough to take subjective calls like what constitutes a foul and what isn't. It will take a few years to make the technology functional. It will have to go through unlimited number of permutations and combinations and then check what the history of the decision of a similar even has been. Will take a while for that.
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February 23, 2024, 09:46:30 AM
#57
I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.


So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

For now, we may not see to the use of AI as being effective on the football sport games because of the reasons why people are so much interested in sport games is because of it nature being a live match that everyone can see without having any influence of any external constraint in determining what comes in and out of the match, same way some made a suggestion on the use of  blue card, the entire system instituted already is fair enough in making the right decision towards the whole outcome of every match but people will always complain and show discomfort especially when the judgement is not in their own favour, there's nothing wrong with the VAR system and use of AI is not the best alternative in this. 
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February 23, 2024, 09:36:54 AM
#56
I don't know if AI would takeover the VAR somedays in the football game yet. If you ever feel the partialities in football about the referees being biased to other teams and yet they are not being called upon or sanctioned that means there is a politics (foul play) in the football game which would be difficult for the the AI technology to be introduced to the system.
And truly if you ask me I would say the said VAR had been a rebel to the football game with the aim of favouring a team for self interest. But if the AI technology would be introduced then it would be the best of it.
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February 23, 2024, 01:48:13 AM
#55
I think we should opt for the lesser of two evils... because human error or bias are difficult to prove, but software being altered to give advantage to a specific team... can be traced, because it leaves a digital footprint.

AI (VAR) might not be perfect, but it is pretty close and probably more fair and biased than humans.  Wink

AI had failed before, think of Microsoft's AI chatbot (@TayandYou) that were taught by humans to be racist and subsequently had to be taken down  Roll Eyes
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February 23, 2024, 01:39:17 AM
#54
Damn I never thought that such mistakes by referees could also happen in football. This kind of referee error is very common in da NBA eventhough they review it at the NBA Replay Center.

 Well, if AI were to take over VAR and we were to accept its calls or reviews as correct with no issues, I would still feel bad for the referees if this were to happen.But in case that AI also makes mistakes in its calls what would happen then? So, for me I believe we should let and stick to the referees continue to work with VAR.

It’s common scenario on Football since they are playing on larger space compared to other team sports while they have a lot of players that the refs need to watch consistently back and forth on both goal.

Actually VAR is doing well in general except for some rare cases that involves trivial call since it’s crucial while the video footage is not that very clear. I believe AI decision will surely accurate based on the set standards by human by I doubt the result will always be fair since it’s decision is limited on what’s the set parameters while some situations needs a human touch to determine the true findings. I think the combination of AI to VAR will very good so that the decision will not be biased.
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February 22, 2024, 07:54:59 PM
#53
Damn I never thought that such mistakes by referees could also happen in football. This kind of referee error is very common in da NBA eventhough they review it at the NBA Replay Center.

 Well, if AI were to take over VAR and we were to accept its calls or reviews as correct with no issues, I would still feel bad for the referees if this were to happen.But in case that AI also makes mistakes in its calls what would happen then? So, for me I believe we should let and stick to the referees continue to work with VAR.
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February 22, 2024, 06:39:30 PM
#52
I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.
Nobody knows yet but because of the malfunctioning of VAR that is making people to predict that AI with it intelligent and fast thinking brain might take over VAR. But there are some comments I saw here is also reasonable because what AI will do that VAR has not done it. And how are the AI will monitor the field and the players in the game. So when I also reason these questions, VAR and Ai are just like one and if they will do anything to VAR they can only improve on the technology of VAR or AI to the VAR technology.

And before VAR was introduced referees were suffering some group of teams and supporting other. I have seen this kind behaviors from referees before and now the malfunctioning of VAR is causing commotion in the sport field. Let see what will have in the future of VAR and AI.
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February 18, 2024, 03:18:22 PM
#51
I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.
What do you mean by scored more than a regular goal? Does it mean the goal is not valid? And are there VAR on that game? If not then this is why they are needed because some referees are not fair, not unless if they also manipulate the VAR (I think that's possible) but I agree, this needs to be stopped as this was so annoying and makes the game or the sport so bad.

Those people should be kicked out and hunted down because there might be more of them, but on the question if AI will take over VAR, no it will not happen because I think VAR already had an AI on it, though they might only need to improve it because I heard some complaints about it.
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February 15, 2024, 06:43:27 PM
#50
So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
What I have to say:
Humans will always be humans, and machines will always be machines. No matter what new development they bring to football for assistance, there are people who will still be against the idea that it's in favour of the other team more than ever. It's just human nature; everyone won't accept everything, no matter how perfect the technology is. 
 
So even if AI is to be introduced today, there will be some sort of disagreement among others that the VAR is not also computer-made? What difference will it make from the AI aside from the little advancement that they might make on it?
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February 15, 2024, 06:22:26 PM
#49
Will AI takeover VAR?

Currently AI is still new, and when it is implemented now, there may still be many errors that will arise. Moreover, I'm not sure there are any institutions or organizations currently developing AI for real sports. So I'm sure that AI will be used in sports, but not now or in the near future.

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February 15, 2024, 06:12:08 PM
#48
Introducing an AI now is not a bad idea but I don't think this will happen sooner or later, I think some reasons might be attributed to this decision and if FIFA wanted to make this decision it would have been announced since but we've not heard of such yet.
I will also support this decision cause aside making mistakes some mistakes get too obvious and sometimes the annoying decision can ruined the game, I have seen a lot of unfair decision but still the game has to go smoothly for things to be in order.

AI has been one of those great advancements of technology that has help to carry out works meant for humans, day by day new AI are created to actually ease work for humans and also displace some People from there work. Upon the advancement of technology, AI can not replace human intelligence in some decision makings because it is built in command.

This is the reason why I would say no matter how, AI cannot be used for VAR decision making. Most people think the VAR only looks at offside and penalties only but it is far beyond that, they look at even moment that lead to those things, like players shrugging each other. Also some calls are supposed to be made base on the condition do the moment and that can’t be done by AI because this cases varies and would not be programmed.
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February 15, 2024, 05:59:05 PM
#47
Introducing an AI now is not a bad idea but I don't think this will happen sooner or later, I think some reasons might be attributed to this decision and if FIFA wanted to make this decision it would have been announced since but we've not heard of such yet.
I will also support this decision cause aside making mistakes some mistakes get too obvious and sometimes the annoying decision can ruined the game, I have seen a lot of unfair decision but still the game has to go smoothly for things to be in order.
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February 15, 2024, 09:58:33 AM
#46
One thing is certain in life, when situation go against us we always complain, but we we are the ones benefiting we won't complain. We have to remember that whatever that involves human there are going to be some errors these errors doesn't mean that the system is not working, it only mean that there are still room for improvement. Even if Ai takes over there are still people who will complain. If CAF utilized var correctly that means every other football bodies can do it too, it's just for them to continue improving their errors.

Definitely I agree to this.one thing in life that is ever constant is change.so as things tend to change to the dimensions of revolution the human mindset towards a lot of things changes too and that's the certainty of life.

Yes CAF might have been trying the long while but the duration of when they can't be recognize again for a default doesn't mean they ain't good enough,of course they are.
But with the look of things  Ai is taking over them and I'm sure they will go beyond CAF expectations if They don't realize the bone of contention of their problems and remedy it for the better.
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