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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

In this day and age, technological developments are increasingly sophisticated and nothing is impossible, but you still have to maintain VAR.
I mean, currently most coaches are really helped by the existence of VAR to decide what policies will be implemented in violations and for me it is not the AI that is at issue but whether the coach will be fair enough to make decisions.
I really understand the situation, maybe AI can control VAR, but if that happens there will definitely be other parties who will analyze or give certain punishments if VAR is controlled by AI and on the one hand, for me, VAR + AI will not be a serious problem in the future, so in any case VAR will still be maintained even though later AI will master it.

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Let's give AI a try, and see what the outcome will be, before implementing it, but I still believe that AI will do better than human. This is because human can easily be manipulated when money is involved, and that will affect the ongoing match result.

VAR have tried their best but it is not good enough, and that is why people are complaining, but if VAR decides to do things right in future, then there will be no need for AI

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Quote from: Oshosondy on February 13, 2024, 07:04:35 AM

What will AI do that the VAR did not do? The referee will go to watch the video based on what was reported to him by the VAR. The video is enough as an evidence to know if he has to act on what he did not notice or see clearly. I do not see any work AI should do there. If a video recording can not do it accurately, how will AI do it accurately?

Also it is good to know that if AI will be used, that will not necessary mean AI will perform the work of VAR, but VAR can make use of AI to make the work more accurate if possible.

Perhaps, AI will enter the pitch, take the whistle from the referee and take decision. Lol Grin

I also do not see how AI will in anyway change the narrative from what the VAR are doing currently. VAR is not independent when it comes to decision taking, they serve as an assistant to referee just as their name implies. We have seen cases where referee turned down the VAR calls and ignore them likewise where the referee failed to notice a foul and the VAR will call his attention. This same scenario will still happen even when AI is in charge. VAR or AI can not take decisions on their own but can only call the attention of the referee, he may comply or ignore.

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It's possible because AI can analyze game situations more faster and has the potential to enhance accuracy and efficiency in reducing errors, but these would require some testing and refinements.

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Yes, AI will take over the position of the VAR referees, but this will happen after several years. Maybe AI will completely take over the position of all referees and we wouldn't need human referees in any sport in the near future. Will this be good for all sports? I don't know.
Why did you post this thread in the Gambling Discussion forum? The introduction of AI referees doesn't have anything to do with gambling and sports betting. The mistakes that are made by human referees are a part of the human and we are used to them. What if AI also makes mistakes and wrong decisions?

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There is always technology that is better than the previous technology and it will always develop well. Current technology will be replaced by better technology so AI will take over VAR in monitoring and providing accurate results from the field. It cannot be denied that the current technological developments are still felt lacking, so technicians will develop better technology to provide even better results. So it is natural that there will be better technology later this year or in the following years, and it will replace the previous technology, which was felt to be no longer possible to use in every match.

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Quote from: Samlucky O on February 13, 2024, 10:07:00 AM

I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like human. So it will not be possible

So is AI, it can have errors too. But it's just too good to let it pass without testing it.
AI can do more accurately than what humans can do. Testing it at first I guess would be the right approach to AI implementation and then finding out where the AI could focus more. AI can make the game complicated if it focuses on smaller violations, let the referee handle them and AIs only verify the referee's call.

But certainly, even the referee's job can be taken from them eventually with the AIs. This discussion is just the start.

I think your hypothesis is true. Before Ai should be used for such things, it should be tested to know how effective it would be before usage. Because If it's not properly tested and confirmed before starting it operation I believe it will be over strict with minimal problems. Though robot might be more accurate than man because it has no sentiment and can not be manipulated, but the fact still remain that robot has no feelings or human attribute but based on programming. One other problem I see about is the aspect you made mention of taking away jobs from referees, that would be another problem because that is the more reason why most people are kicking against AI. If the implementation takes place, gradually humanity will not have a chance to earn a living because if we continue using Ai in whatsoever we do,am afraid even the footballers will be replaced by robot one day.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.

I noticed this too that the VAR decisions in the AFCON were very good, and I also was with the conclusion that in some of the games in some European competitions where the VAR is used, the officials who are in the VAR room are corrupt.

Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

The real question is "will they allow AI take over?"

If AI take overs, results and decisions will be more consistent and lesser human errors that are sometimes blamed as the cause of bad decisions made during the games later analyzed to be wrong. So will the people in charge allow AI take over knowing that decisions will be harder to manipulate.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

VAR is trained AI. It is not without fault as new data is always need to train the VAR to be able to make more accurate decisions. VAR picks up controversial moments that the human referee isn't able to notice and is depended upon to make a good and favourable decision. If the OP is arguing for AI to take over VAR, it is the same thing as saying that VAR should take over the position of VAR. As a way of repetition, VAR is just a smart artificial intelligent referee.

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It is very possible, yes. If they actually intend for VAR to become a more unbiased and effective tool to be used in matches, then the implementation of Artificial inteligence on it will be just matter of time, at least as some kind of test first, to see how performs.
Some people may be skeptical about it at first, in the same way most of people on the internet were about AI being used to process copious amounts of information to generate writings and images, though it seems people are already getting used to it, the same will happen with players and clubs.
On the other hand, it would take more for bettors to get accustomed to the idea of an artificial intelligence to be the difference of winning or losing sn important bet which they have much of their stake on. I would be in favor of the implementation and if the technologies proves to be unbiased and reliable for matches, then allow it to become an standard for matches, otherwise let us continue to use VAR as we have been using it till now.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

Don't forget that artificial intelligence is also programmed by humans which also makes them prone to mistakes. We should also note that these AI tools can malfunction and can also be hacked. Artificial intelligence can be used to support the decisions of the VAR officials but replacing human beings might not be appropriate.

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There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.
So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

The just concluded CAF African Cup of Nations showed a great improvement in the standard of football and the officiating. The referees were fair showed empathy and had good communication with the players. There was no single match that had bad officiating. It is common to see referees favour the host of the competition in the past but this was not the case in this competition. Jose Mourinho should consider taking a coaching job in Africa, maybe he could help Africa lift the World Cup.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

No, I don't think AI can take over that because it's more risky and there might be a lot of mistakes. AI only works well if it does something general and repeatable. I don't think AI can take over high-fidelity work. So VAR is still relevant and very good for helping referees in analyzing matches. I think if there are a few mistakes it's still normal as long as no one misuses it and the mistake was made accidentally.

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Quote from: Samlucky O on February 13, 2024, 10:07:00 AM

I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like human. So it will not be possible

So is AI, it can have errors too. But it's just too good to let it pass without testing it.
AI can do more accurately than what humans can do. Testing it at first I guess would be the right approach to AI implementation and then finding out where the AI could focus more. AI can make the game complicated if it focuses on smaller violations, let the referee handle them and AIs only verify the referee's call.

But certainly, even the referee's job can be taken from them eventually with the AIs. This discussion is just the start.

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I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like human. So it will not be possible

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Same as (VAR) many people are gonna like it and on the other side we will have people who don't like it. The main points, is to make the ref have a good decision as long is good for the match.

Why not right.

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Or possibly, they'll just implement AI to existing VARs to make more accurate decisions. I'd digress that they let the technology be defunct just because AI exists. Also, not every AI delivers 100% accuracy as there are still some that needs a huge training dataset in order to be 90% accurate with their given tasks. I don't understand the overreliance of people to AI thinking that it is a magical tool that will replace everything. Fact is, you still need people around AIs in order to make it work.

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The video assistant referee assists the referee by providing video footage, right? For example, when striker kicks the ball and goalkeeper saves it but it almost crossed the line and we don't know whether GK saved the ball or it was a goal. I think that VAR is very necessary, especially in quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals, where one game decides the fate of the team.
I can't understand why AI can take over the position of VAR or I simply don't understand what's going on here (did this problem arise from Premier League fans?) because I believe referee (human) can judge better than AI after seeing the video from VAR.

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on February 13, 2024, 07:12:46 AM

No doubt, criticisms like these are some of the prerequisites ingredients that VAR needs to correct some of those abnormalities they have but there is absolutely no need to bring in AI into world football.

They should be treated as secondary opinions or tools to help correct the judgment of the referee so they can render a fair judgment, I'm not a football fan but I cannot just imagine all my favorite sports governed by artificial intelligence, as if we lose our trust to humans to give us a fair judgment, let's treat artificial intelligence as a tool to help us come out with a better understanding and judgment and not on our judgment, we should not end up like the ones we see in Arnold Schwarzenegger movies the Terminator.
Sure, AI is getting better but its usage should be limited to industries or platforms where humans need assistance we humans should still be in control of everything
, especially in sports and besides we love to bash the referees it is one of the enjoyable parts, and we will miss bashing the referees. Cheesy

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VAR or AI are two sophisticated tools that were developed by artificial technology that is quite intelligent and indeed over time they can all work and replace human work, but for sports actually AI is not tool that must be combined.
VAR has obviously been used for long time and has screen record of an ongoing match and can be more detailed in every corner, this makes it possible for the referee to see the replay whether an error or violation occurred or not.
VAR, which has clear benefits and uses and has been used even in major competitions such as the World Cup, has become something that has really been rejected by some fans and even football team administrators, so what about AI.
I sure that the emergence of AI in sports, especially football, will further worsen public sentiment and of course rejection will also occur, after all when AI is used it can't really help unless it has really been successfully developed better.
But in world football FIFA also has full rights over every artificially sophisticated tool that can be used and if FIFA does not make AI legal tool then it is clear that in football in every major competition AI will never be able to be used or even replace VAR.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM

I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

One thing you must understand is the fact that video assistant referee(VAR) is to help and assist the referee on the beach against some actions he might not see clearly, these method was adopted to help reduce injustices and fouls that may happen on the peace without the referee taking cognizance, however VAR is not 100% perfect in its accuracy but I bet you VAR is at least 85% accurate in it's judgement.
As a football lover over the years I can confidently tell you that VAR has reduced the rate of off side goals, tackle's that the referee didn't see properly or properly gave an earlier wrong judgement on, and a whole lot more things VAR has helped World football. VAR may not be perfect but with time it will move towards perfection.
No doubt, criticisms like these are some of the prerequisites ingredients that VAR needs to correct some of those abnormalities they have but there is absolutely no need to bring in AI into world football.

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