Topic: Will AI Take over the Position of VAR? - page 2. (Read 469 times)

In Greek league until recently referees would be from other countries to cover for impartiality reasons. For example teams would often complain that the referee in their match showed favoritism towards the other team. Having a referee completely from abroad solves this issue, but it's a very expensive endeavor actually and recently teams stopped trying to fund this.

Issues with VAR being inaccurate have also to do with many football leagues not agreeing to spend what's needed for upkeep and staffing costs so oftentimes the shots VAR has are not as detailed as it would be needed to take decisions based on it. Handing the VAR decisions to an abroad agency would solve the impartiality issue, but the referee on site would still need to utilize their suggestion to make a decision himself, which still is not an ideal scenario. Even with AI, I still see this issue existing. You can't remove the referee from having the final say.

I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.

I'd say definitely. I think a lot of mistakes that VAR decisions bring out are because, at the end of the day, it's still a human being that identifies whatever actually happened in those moments, and said moments are pretty short from the event itself to them needing to release the decision about the event or not. If enough data was fed and accuracy was aimed to be the goal, then I 100% reckon AI would 100% replace VAR, or at least the personnel behind it. They might even work together in the early days really just to reduce the amount of mistakes (not that VAR hasn't done a lot of said mistakes tbf).

It will take time though. You know how nitpicky stuff like these can, especially if it's a controversial idea like putting AI to replace the work that people do.

I'v actually not heard of AI been introduced into the football pitch yet at this time so I can't really discuss on it been a replacement for VAR but I know that it's very possible if AI tested and proven to be better than VAR then it will be used to replace VAR but then it's very true VAR has made some errors over the years which has not been good enough and has aswell favoured one teams against the other in some cases, but then VAR at times has also helped the refree make some good decisions which helped some games get fair results.

I wouldn't want to say that VAR isn't erroneous but then it has done more harm than good but the problem sometimes may have been between the people in charge of the review they may have been the ones with wrong judgement.

I don’t think it will for a while, if ever. It couldn’t be much worse than VAR used by PL officials in England though. They have been terrible, especially this season where Liverpool have been on the wrong end of the most decisions according to ESPN.

I like anything that makes the correct decisions. VAR is a great tool but in the PL t is operated by incompetent or corrupt officials.

This is a nice answer though everyone has their way of thinking and seen or understanding the thread so I will not not some are correct and while some are wrong but all are correct and depends on the angle each commenter understands it. Some say yes AI will takeover the function of VAR because VAR is not trusted and some if AI takeover the function of VAR what will it do? Well those are some of the questions we have to answer. I think the technology in the world is increasing every day and night and the new technology that will come and take over VAR from AI will be very much highly intelligent.

The errors of VAR is getting out of hand so they have to look for a new way to settle this problem.

With what is happening around football in relation to VAR, well, it is not inappropriate to say that VAR is doing a good job, but with errors. These errors are not much, nevertheless, it could be so painful at times. Regardless, VAR has been a very good assistance to the referees and I do not think that abolishing it totally is the right decision as some people are glamorous but to improve on it. Nothing is perfect in life, which is why in the case of VAR as well, it can't be perfect, it is the human beings behind the screen and also privileged to be watching the match live on the pitch
 that should make some corrective decisions almost immediately to better help the VAR.

And if it is to give it more time before a decision is made, they should, not that they will leave everything to VAR to do. VAR is a computer program, itself will not make that mistake, it is humans that are judging it wrong, and based on the programs in it and the way they conclude on its advice. This is what I believe they should work on, but it seems that FIFA is lagging behind in this regard.

No one can say that VAR is still at a testing stage, that can't just be with the years it has lived, since 2016. They should have perfected it better by now instead of letting it cause a daylight robbery in football.

Truly the officiating in the AFCON was very impressive, the best I have seen so far, there was no controversy or dispute of referees decisions except maybe in the finals. I’m not surprised this has a lot of people talking. For me, I love football and do not want the game to be ruined by this wave of AI. I would hate to see my team lose because of a machine error.

I harp about this all the time, and I probably wont stop..but I think it's an important topic and distinction that needs to be made here.  AI does not exist, yet.  This is simply advanced programming.  There's no artificial learning going on here.  The programs are human made and controlled, they are programs that often use a "mash-up" of data, organize it and then spit it back out.  This type of tech would be utilizing tech we already have.

If you don't believe me or agree, don't take my word for it- https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai

whenever something is implemented in sport, there will be failures in the first few years, we just need to see that VAR is not yet in many African leagues, so it is a technology that is still being adapted to the present day, before VAR was implemented, there were many games where there was a lot of injustice, things like a certain team winning the game because of an unfair penalty, things like fouls being called for no strong reason, so the implementation of VAR in my opinion was very welcome. I saw a post from someone who talked about what Mourinho said. but mourinho is wrong, in AFCON games there were many situations in which VAR was not used well, it was as if AFCON games were manipulated to benefit certain teams

And that doesn't surprise me because I'm African and I'm already used to the corruption that exists in African football. So what Mourinho said is absurd, if they gave VAR to the Africans to control European games, without a doubt we would see corruption at alarming levels. I also don't agree with putting AI in VAR, in my opinion as things stand, it's very good, there just needs to be more supervision for everyone involved in the game, so that errors can be reduced and punished when the error is confirmed as being a purposeful error to harm a certain team, even though technology is good, we still need to trust humans

The intention may not be to take over the VAR but to use AI technology integrated into the VAR because that way you can know whether a violation has occurred or not because current technology is quite sophisticated if we look at it so far, but whatever it is, you still have to use a human touch so that it doesn't happen. mistakes, even though technology is getting more sophisticated doesn't mean AI doesn't make mistakes, even if it is made so perfectly, whatever it is, it must require a human touch.

So far I see that VAR has been quite good since it has been used, but maybe it is not as effective when using it, humans still make mistakes in making decisions about the penalties that should be given to clubs when playing, but with AI technology it can certainly help make everything easier to find out in detail whether a violation has occurred. whether it should be legal or not, I believe current technology can be used to integrate AI into VAR and it also seems quite good, but maybe there are those who are not happy with it. Everyone's views are definitely different on this matter, we have to respect that. 

Obviously, AI cannot take over anything in this world. Have we forgotten that it was created by humans, and it is also humans that ca decides to send them into extinction if they feel like. AI are only but a helping hand to make things easier, accurate and faster for humans. The algorithms and intelligence were given to them by humans. And if any mistake were made along the line the AI will as well have flaws. AI prediction in gambling is not accurate. It is based on the statical information provided to it that it uses to predict outcomes of games. There will be mistake just like other AI machines, but there is logic it can help solve while you as a gambler try to filter the Prons and cons before placing the bet.

I already commented abour the VAR a few days ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63591715

People have to understand that VAR is evolving, it's not quick that the technology will be 100% efficient
Mistakes have decreased a lot, I watch a lot of soccer and I'm sure they have, even if they pause the game, it's important that mistakes are minimized
Those who are against VAR have to understand that nowadays there is a lot of work and money involved (including our bets), so that there are errors that harm a team and can destroy months of hard work, I think everyone here knows a match that had some error and make your team disqualify from a tournament

In a few years the natural evolution is for VAR to be done via AI, these errors will be minimal, and it will be very fast, possibly done in real time and the game will hardly need to be stopped

By saying "taking over", it means the AI should be 100% working properly and functioning smoothly. It might go there soon.

As of the moment, since there are still known reported bugs and errors, too early to conclude everything. But as we know our technology today, improvements should be expected as time passes by. Not saying AI will take over at all but I'm sure there are still things that AI might not be compatible and suited with.

AI can take over VAR soon, especially if AI can be developed better to provide more accurate results in the field. When AI can be more advanced and ready to be used in all fields, not just sports, there will be a major overhaul in all fields. AI will be used to provide even better results than previous technology because the development of each developer will make AI even better. In the future, we will probably use AI technology that is more advanced than today. Perhaps AI will be used to monitor the match's progress because it can provide more accurate results.

It is not a ruse that there have been calls for the errors of VAR to be looked at especially from the coaches. Morinho is one outspoken type and will not sleep over what he thinks is causing uproar in the enjoyment of football. Personally also I think var is doing more crack down than it is helping the game and yes there will be need for another technology to replace an existing one. I think VAR is the newest kind of technology introduced to football and there has to be modification to this technology or it will totally be replaced by AI

The application of VAR really helps create a fair match and really helps the referee to act fairly in the decisions that will be made.
On the other hand, the application of VAR can also be the cause of unsatisfactory match results because the system is considered to still have many shortcomings.

Before VAR became part of the match apparatus, many matches I watched on various video platforms showed how tight and interesting a match was played by many living and deceased legends.
Returning to VAR, for me the VAR system should be better and I don't want to say that the VAR system implemented in Europe is worse than CAF.
If indeed the application of VAR requires AI technology, there is nothing wrong with it and I support it if it can provide better results.

Errors could always happen because we are human beings and not made for perfection. But to the extent of saying MORE errors, that is a problem and we then think about AI as the solution for this. But I don't think it necessary nor we should do this but rather make these VAR to be trained more or get replaced by someone who is capable for this position. Because I don't believe we should take AI for this as I see it better to have judges that have feelings and emotions like us.

AI never suits all, so my stand about this situation is NO. I'd just think if AI will replace everything, then we are letting these robots overpowerd us.

You're absolutely right, buddy nothing in this world can be done without complaining. Before, when VAR was used, nobody complained, but now that football has gained a lot of popularity, many teams are complaining. Why are some people unhappy with what they have those teams complaining about the var? If they were winning, they wouldn't be complaining, but now they are? No matter what happens, even if AI takes over, some people will still be complaining. Some will even claim that VAR is superior to AI, so as long as they are using the previous version of VAR, I believe they should keep doing so because nothing in this world is perfect.

I don't think it's a good idea for someone else to take over as VAR; if that were to happen, it would indicate that they don't trust Var, which would make Var feel let down. Since nobody is perfect and mistakes are inevitable, we should accept this and stop paying attention to what other people have to say, especially since many of the people who complain are teams that didn't play well.

VAR is getting a lot of flak for errors and bias and not surprising that its making people wonder if AI could do a better job on the field. Imagine algorithms quickly sorting out plays without the human mess-us but bringing in AI comes with its own challenges like taking the human touch out of decision-making. Mourinho's idea to pass VAR to CAF hints at different approaches among football bigwigs and the future of AI in VAR depends on tech improvements and whether the football world is ready to embrace the change