🥶 Winter Beijin 2022 🥶 Discussion and bet thread 🥶 Winter Game 🥶 - page 10.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on February 01, 2022, 02:59:59 PM

This is sad but you are right, if someone is determined to cheat then they are going to find way to do so, after all when it comes to esports there have been many scandals of people using software that aims for them to get perfect shots every time.

So it would not be impossible that someone has tried this already and if they have not that they will try this in the future and get an unfair advantage that way.

Unfortunately, when someone really wants to cheat, they will try to come up with a scheme to achieve this, even though it may take time to achieve it. But once you get it, without getting caught, then you'll take advantage.

Although organizations continually try to control this type of situation, to try to prevent them from happening, it is always difficult. This turns out to be a game of mouse and cat, where one tries to run away from the other.

One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 31, 2022, 04:43:40 AM

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However in the games in which your skill is more important this is not necessary, for example do you need illegal enhancing drugs to shoot a bow and arrow? Most likely the answer is no, and in such a sport cheating by using illegal substances is way more rare compared to what we see in other disciplines.

Athletes will find a way to cheat archery anyway. Use aimbot Cheesy

or have a built in glasses scope, zoom or wind statistics. Or cheat with bow or an arrow. If pharmacology cant help, engineers will do.

This is sad but you are right, if someone is determined to cheat then they are going to find way to do so, after all when it comes to esports there have been many scandals of people using software that aims for them to get perfect shots every time.

So it would not be impossible that someone has tried this already and if they have not that they will try this in the future and get an unfair advantage that way.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 30, 2022, 02:16:42 PM

More controversies are part of the Beijing Summer Olympics for humanitarian reasons. The country keeps taking adequate measures to keep the three Olympic locations isolated from the rest of the nation. This has been criticised by other countries, but they aren't taken into consideration by the government. Even after such a restricted way of conducting the events, 34 have been tested positive. There is political pressure, health and safety measures from Western Nations are supporting the country overcome these problems.

i don't think they will attain zero infection here, but it is up to them how they will contain the situation as this is not the first country to manage an event like this during pandemic. for sure, they got some pointers during the tokyo 2020 (happened jul-aug 2021) olympics.
controversies will always be a part of any event but it is up to the host country how they will handle this event to put troubles at minimum.
for us, spectators, just be happy that we can bet at the comfort of our homes.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 31, 2022, 09:33:04 AM

Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

I share the same idea. It is one thing for a person to feel that he is of another gender, another is for the body to have characteristics of that gender. Now, it will be very complicated for federations to create a specific category, taking into account how socially this can be seen. So it will always be difficult to deal with this situation.

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Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 01:26:41 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on January 28, 2022, 02:15:58 PM

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.

You cant expect medals from trans athlete straight away. They are very recently included in olympics and its a welcome move, nobody cares about people who are not in favout of there inclusion. Give them some time and space just like we gave to normal athletes. On 21 July 2021, at the same Games, Canadian non-binary soccer player Quinn became the first transgender person to compete at the Olympics, playing for the Canadian women's soccer team.

Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 31, 2022, 04:43:40 AM

Have you seen medal design already? Take a look here. I like them, much better than PyeongChang medals. I like that they are more detailed, while on previous winter olympics athletes got just a scratched circle imho.

I hadn't seen the design of the medals yet, they are really pretty. They are actually prettier than the previous games. The ones from this year have a more classic air, but it looks very beautiful. Whoever designed these medals is to be congratulated, because they did an excellent job.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 26, 2022, 04:24:32 PM

And again like the last Winter game, Sofia Goggia got an injury and she probably skip the following races in Beijin.

What a sad story for her, the second time in her carrier.

She was going for at least 2-to 3 potential medals.

I saw that ski race where she got injured again last weekend and even though i feel very sorry for her i also have to say that she was kinda provoking it a bit because if i remember correctly she already had a crash at the race before and still she did not take a break and even risked everything again last week. Sometimes you have to just slow down a little or skip a race in order to not risk another injury, which now happened. I just read the news though that she has still hope that she can take part in the Olympic Games even though her cruciate ligament tear is partially teared. I just hope she does not risk to much again. Knee injuries are no joke.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 26, 2022, 04:17:35 PM

However in the games in which your skill is more important this is not necessary, for example do you need illegal enhancing drugs to shoot a bow and arrow? Most likely the answer is no, and in such a sport cheating by using illegal substances is way more rare compared to what we see in other disciplines.

Athletes will find a way to cheat archery anyway. Use aimbot Cheesy

or have a built in glasses scope, zoom or wind statistics. Or cheat with bow or an arrow. If pharmacology cant help, engineers will do.

Have you seen medal design already? Take a look here. I like them, much better than PyeongChang medals. I like that they are more detailed, while on previous winter olympics athletes got just a scratched circle imho.

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The Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics officially starts on February 4th.
But even before the opening ceremony, we will already have some tests going on, starting on the 2nd.

The game schedule:

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There were lot of questions about China hockey team in Olympics. And finally, few days ago they announced their roster. All their 25 players this season is playing for Kunlun Red Star in KHL. It's strongest league in Europe, but Red Star is by far worst team in the league. In group with USA, Canada and Germany, even scoring goals will be big deal for them.
Interesting that from 25 players, just 9 are born in China. Others are from Canada, USA and Russia. And this team is called China national team:
https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2022/olympic-m/news/31645/enter_the_dragons

Quote from: delfastTions on January 28, 2022, 03:47:09 AM

I don't like it when the Olympic Games are held during a global pandemic. At such competitions, apparently there will not be many spectators, or they will not be allowed into the stands at all. Most of the famous athletes will not come to the Olympics. And in general, such an event is a huge celebration. And now it turns out just some kind of parody of the holiday. But, I understand that this is still a billion-dollar business. And then there is the politics of which countries will come, others will not.
In any case, there remains some regret that the holiday is not quite a holiday, but, as it were, only half - everything is in the report and pictures on TV

We already living in pandemic for 2 years. Life should go on, things can't be stopped for so long. And we're still in pandemic, but some countries already lifting all covid related restrictions and back to normal life.
And I think that you're wrong that most famous athletes will not come to Olympics. Only NHL players won't be able to participate, all other stars will come if they wont catch Covid in upcoming week.

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More controversies are part of the Beijing Summer Olympics for humanitarian reasons. The country keeps taking adequate measures to keep the three Olympic locations isolated from the rest of the nation. This has been criticised by other countries, but they aren't taken into consideration by the government. Even after such a restricted way of conducting the events, 34 have been tested positive. There is political pressure, health and safety measures from Western Nations are supporting the country overcome these problems.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 28, 2022, 02:15:58 PM

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.

You cant expect medals from trans athlete straight away. They are very recently included in olympics and its a welcome move, nobody cares about people who are not in favout of there inclusion. Give them some time and space just like we gave to normal athletes. On 21 July 2021, at the same Games, Canadian non-binary soccer player Quinn became the first transgender person to compete at the Olympics, playing for the Canadian women's soccer team.

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Quote from: Mauser on January 28, 2022, 06:17:53 AM

I read this week about the swimming team at Penn State University that is having problems with the female athletes. A teams woman is completely destroying all the other swimmers and breaking records. One of the teammates spoke out that this will ruin her chances of attending olympia. So I wonder now, isn't that going to happen in all the other disciplines too? A male body with testosterone transitioning into female should always have biological advantages. Could we maybe make strategy to bet on all the trans athletes during the next Olympics? I am not an expert on olympia sports betting, but maybe there is a profit to be made.

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 27, 2022, 12:12:14 PM

Hey guys a question, what happens is that I don't have sports channels on TV that are so specific in the winter games, but in the past winter games there was a Venezuelan athlete who signed up and participated, in skis, which of course It looked very bad, but he got the sponsorship of a New Zealand philanthropist who helped him get his skis and his uniform, and promised to get him training, my question is, is there a way to find a list of athletes to look for him?
Many thanks in advance.

If I understand correctly, the federations and the Olympic committee are the ones who approve the participation of the athletes after achieving the minimum marks. Without that you cannot participate no matter how much sponsor or money you get to travel.

In any case, this list can serve as a guide, by the way, at the top left you can choose the language, just in case.

https://olympics.com/
Or:
https://olympics.com/es/noticias/beijing-2022-guia-de-atletas-y-deportistas-a-seguir-en-los-juegos

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 28, 2022, 07:05:02 AM

Today I learned about the protocol for awarding medals: first, the athletes approach the podium in masks, then take them off, receive medals, pose for photographers, then put on masks again and leave the podium Grin

LOL
I wonder what sanctions will be imposed on athletes who violate this protocol? In my opinion, all this looks comical in 2022.

LOL

But, they are not very different measures from what happened in the Olympic Games in Tokyo, last year.
Now, the Chinese will be much stricter on this no doubt. They will probably have someone looking at the athletes and giving signs as to what they have to do and what not to do.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 27, 2022, 05:24:41 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 27, 2022, 01:08:52 PM

These measures look, to put it mildly, redundant against the background of the fact that some countries have already announced the end of restrictions and that they are now assessing the covid as a common cold.
In any case, I hope these Olympic Games will be successful and those athletes who planned to take part in them will do so without any surprises (as with Djokovic, for example).

That's true. But China plans things to have a very high level of restrictions. And they are not known for backtracking on their decisions. Roll Eyes

So while the virus appears to be milder, they will continue to maintain the same level of restrictions before and during the tournament.

Although this may seem a little too extreme, at least we will have a tournament going on, which we hope will be without major complications because of this illness.

Today I learned about the protocol for awarding medals: first, the athletes approach the podium in masks, then take them off, receive medals, pose for photographers, then put on masks again and leave the podium Grin

LOL
I wonder what sanctions will be imposed on athletes who violate this protocol? In my opinion, all this looks comical in 2022.

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I read this week about the swimming team at Penn State University that is having problems with the female athletes. A teams woman is completely destroying all the other swimmers and breaking records. One of the teammates spoke out that this will ruin her chances of attending olympia. So I wonder now, isn't that going to happen in all the other disciplines too? A male body with testosterone transitioning into female should always have biological advantages. Could we maybe make strategy to bet on all the trans athletes during the next Olympics? I am not an expert on olympia sports betting, but maybe there is a profit to be made.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 28, 2022, 02:58:22 AM

Quote from: TimeTeller on January 27, 2022, 06:53:29 PM

Most bookies have no listing yet. But for sure they will include the olympics lineup in the coming days.

That's understandable. There is still a lot of uncertainty about which athletes will participate and how the event will go.
We hope that the list of registered athletes continues to remain stable, and that none have problems with COVID in order to not be able to participate.

Now, I believe the stakes will be very uncertain. Some good athletes will not participate this year. So we are able to have some surprises.

I don't like it when the Olympic Games are held during a global pandemic. At such competitions, apparently there will not be many spectators, or they will not be allowed into the stands at all. Most of the famous athletes will not come to the Olympics. And in general, such an event is a huge celebration. And now it turns out just some kind of parody of the holiday. But, I understand that this is still a billion-dollar business. And then there is the politics of which countries will come, others will not.
In any case, there remains some regret that the holiday is not quite a holiday, but, as it were, only half - everything is in the report and pictures on TV

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 27, 2022, 06:53:29 PM

Most bookies have no listing yet. But for sure they will include the olympics lineup in the coming days.

That's understandable. There is still a lot of uncertainty about which athletes will participate and how the event will go.
We hope that the list of registered athletes continues to remain stable, and that none have problems with COVID in order to not be able to participate.

Now, I believe the stakes will be very uncertain. Some good athletes will not participate this year. So we are able to have some surprises.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 27, 2022, 05:24:41 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 27, 2022, 01:08:52 PM

These measures look, to put it mildly, redundant against the background of the fact that some countries have already announced the end of restrictions and that they are now assessing the covid as a common cold.
In any case, I hope these Olympic Games will be successful and those athletes who planned to take part in them will do so without any surprises (as with Djokovic, for example).

That's true. But China plans things to have a very high level of restrictions. And they are not known for backtracking on their decisions. Roll Eyes

So while the virus appears to be milder, they will continue to maintain the same level of restrictions before and during the tournament.

Although this may seem a little too extreme, at least we will have a tournament going on, which we hope will be without major complications because of this illness.

For bettors, just be contented on checking the events in your favorite sportsbook.

And watch it on your TV screen. This event is fast approaching so check out your bookies about the list and their odds.
Most bookies have no listing yet. But for sure they will include the olympics lineup in the coming days.
Let us be grateful that this will push thru. The host already knows how to contain the situation as it is not the first time to hold similar event during this pandemic.

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