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Topic: 🥶 Winter Beijin 2022 🥶 Discussion and bet thread 🥶 Winter Game 🥶 - page 9. (Read 1717 times)

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No one argues that they are ordinary people, but if a woman has a man's body, then she has an advantage over those women who have a female body. You will not dispute the fact that men on average are significantly superior to women in physical strength? It is for this reason that women have their own separate competitions, and now because of the politics that mixes transgenders with women, women are suffering because it is mostly transgenders who win prizes because of their physical superiority.

I don't know the details but surely the Olympics organisers must be aware of this fact too. There must be some SOP adopted on inclusion of transgenders in the game. They are neglected community of our society and we must welcome there inclusion. Such discussions will only discourage them.
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They are just ordinary people like us and have same strength like we have. Let them come in Olympics and with time when things get matured, may be we see some policies for them. Right now they are in phase of inclusion in Olympics. I am sure Olympics committee have some policies regarding there inclusion. 

No one argues that they are ordinary people, but if a woman has a man's body, then she has an advantage over those women who have a female body. You will not dispute the fact that men on average are significantly superior to women in physical strength? It is for this reason that women have their own separate competitions, and now because of the politics that mixes transgenders with women, women are suffering because it is mostly transgenders who win prizes because of their physical superiority.
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I would like to add that bobsleigh is becoming more and more popular also, as this year there will first women monobob races. I dont remember women participating in world and other championships either.

Also I cant remember that I saw nordic combined before. What it this? Mixture of biathlon and ski jumping? Interesting to see how this is going to be. First they jump, then change skies and race? This is going to be exciting to watch, as if someone is bad at jumping, he can improve results by speed skiing.
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One of the competitions that has already been taking place is Curling.

I found it interesting to note that in three games already completed, both the USA and Canada managed to win only 1 and by the minimum margin. How are these two countries, traditionally good at this competition, performing so poorly? (This in the Mixed Doubles category.)
I think that this is simply due to the fact that curling has become more and more popular in recent years and, accordingly, there are more and more good athletes and teams. It is this competition that has led to the fact that teams traditionally strong in past years begin to lose, giving way to new stellar curling
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One of the competitions that has already been taking place is Curling.

I found it interesting to note that in three games already completed, both the USA and Canada managed to win only 1 and by the minimum margin. How are these two countries, traditionally good at this competition, performing so poorly? (This in the Mixed Doubles category.)
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Try to arm wrestle your mom and dad and find out who has more strength. For me, Laurel was like a man between women. I might be wrong, I might be an idiot, but that is how I see them. I think his/her muscles, ligaments and joints were more developed.
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Maybe in winter olympic sports there is not so huge gap between such athletes, but during summer olympics there was a case during weightlifting.
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was the first athlete to participate. You think this is fair? He/she did not won a gold medal, but he/she is having worlds gold medals. They are ordinary people, but their strength is different. In gym, I never saw women lifting same weight as men. If a transgender participates in biathlon, dont you think he might have slightly more stamina?

Laurel Hubbard has edge over other weightlifter but still she couldn't won any medal. Can you please tell what sort of edge she has over other weightlifter's? There are not many transgender in sports and I have seen very few in my life. They have strengths just like normal people so there is nothing to worry about there inclusion.
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transathletes.
They are just ordinary people like us and have same strength like we have.

Maybe in winter olympic sports there is not so huge gap between such athletes, but during summer olympics there was a case during weightlifting.
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was the first athlete to participate. You think this is fair? He/she did not won a gold medal, but he/she is having worlds gold medals. They are ordinary people, but their strength is different. In gym, I never saw women lifting same weight as men. If a transgender participates in biathlon, dont you think he might have slightly more stamina?
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Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

They are just ordinary people like us and have same strength like we have. Let them come in Olympics and with time when things get matured, may be we see some policies for them. Right now they are in phase of inclusion in Olympics. I am sure Olympics committee have some policies regarding there inclusion. 
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It is impossible to make a tournament of the same length for all participants, the organizers choose the optimal length. As for the different number of rest days, it is wrong to consider only the number of rest days before the final - the calendar is designed in such a way that the difference in the number of rest days between the finalists is minimal. If we take the entire distance of the tournament, then for example it is 30 and 31 days - this is an insignificant difference to talk about injustice.

This question of two semi-final games being on different days does not happen in the Olympic games.

Usually this type of situation only happens in football competitions. And teams don't usually complain about that situation. Because as you say and very well, in a tournament held in 30 days, it's not 1 day that will make a big difference.
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These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.

It is impossible to make a tournament of the same length for all participants, the organizers choose the optimal length. As for the different number of rest days, it is wrong to consider only the number of rest days before the final - the calendar is designed in such a way that the difference in the number of rest days between the finalists is minimal. If we take the entire distance of the tournament, then for example it is 30 and 31 days - this is an insignificant difference to talk about injustice.
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That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?
In general, it is clear that the organizers of the Olympiad hold a number of team competitions before the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympiad.  Otherwise the games would go on for too long. 
But there is also a negative point here.  I think that the absolute number of people in the world think that only after the opening ceremony the games begin.  And this is generally logical.  Then some fans are surprised because they miss certain stages of the competition.  But, really, whoever follows their favorite team is aware of this "paradox"
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I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.
Only few competition which is longer and don't fit into that 2 weeks of Olympics starts before opening ceremony. It's mainly curling, women ice hockey, or football in summer Olympics. Probably it's not worth to start whole Olympic Games earlier because of few competition.
And I think you're wrong about hockey, football or other team sports semifinals - it usually happens on same day. For example, in 2018 they played both on same day, so, none of teams didn't got extra day rest.
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I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

This is a situation that happens in all Olympic games, summer and winter. There are only 1 or 2 competitions, which have very long qualifiers. So that the worship of the tournament is always the same, despite new competitions entering.

Honestly, I don't see that too serious, when it's just a matter of qualifying, a competition that will last the entire period of the Olympic Games. But I understand, that it would make sense to open the games earlier, but then there were no competitions to fill so many days. It's a balance they found for these sports that last longer.
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That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.
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That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.
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That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?
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The games start today, with the following modalities:

Luge (02 Feb 2022, 19:30) Men's Singles Training Group A Run 1

Curling (02 Feb 2022, 20:05) Mixed Doubles Round Robin Session 1
SWE vs GBR
AUS vs USA
NOR vs CZE
CHN vs SUI


Beijing time
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One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

Yeah, cheaters always will find ways how to cheat. And it doesn't even matter which sports it is, whether it's weightlifting or chess.
You're right that cheaters will be caught sooner or later. Fair athletes will get their earned medals eventually, but they won't have that memorable moment when you see your country flag raised and anthem played during medal ceremony.

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.
As far as I know, probably there won't be transgender athletes in Winter Olympics. Otherwise I guess news about it would spread widely already.
Personally, I'm sceptical about transgenders in such competition. For example, someone in male body competing against female, it's just not fair.

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Unfortunately, when someone really wants to cheat, they will try to come up with a scheme to achieve this, even though it may take time to achieve it. But once you get it, without getting caught, then you'll take advantage.

Although organizations continually try to control this type of situation, to try to prevent them from happening, it is always difficult. This turns out to be a game of mouse and cat, where one tries to run away from the other.

One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

Modern sport is a struggle not only (and not so much) of athletes, but also a struggle of pharmacology. When sports federations ban a substance as doping, laboratories immediately develop a substance with similar properties but with a different chemical composition. And this race is endless. It's hard to say whether this is good or bad, because in the process, new drugs / stimulants are being developed that ordinary people can then use.
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