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Quote from: KTChampions on January 27, 2022, 02:08:52 PM

These measures look, to put it mildly, redundant against the background of the fact that some countries have already announced the end of restrictions and that they are now assessing the covid as a common cold.
In any case, I hope these Olympic Games will be successful and those athletes who planned to take part in them will do so without any surprises (as with Djokovic, for example).

That's true. But China plans things to have a very high level of restrictions. And they are not known for backtracking on their decisions. Roll Eyes

So while the virus appears to be milder, they will continue to maintain the same level of restrictions before and during the tournament.

Although this may seem a little too extreme, at least we will have a tournament going on, which we hope will be without major complications because of this illness.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 14, 2022, 01:05:44 PM

China is getting even more restricted than games in Japan.

In Japan, only international delegations were in a bubble, and officials could leave and enter the Olympic city.
In China, no one is allowed to leave the event location, including staff. And when it is necessary to leave the place, they go in well-identified vehicles, so that in case of an accident, the support teams take the necessary precautions.

These measures look, to put it mildly, redundant against the background of the fact that some countries have already announced the end of restrictions and that they are now assessing the covid as a common cold.
In any case, I hope these Olympic Games will be successful and those athletes who planned to take part in them will do so without any surprises (as with Djokovic, for example).

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Hey guys a question, what happens is that I don't have sports channels on TV that are so specific in the winter games, but in the past winter games there was a Venezuelan athlete who signed up and participated, in skis, which of course It looked very bad, but he got the sponsorship of a New Zealand philanthropist who helped him get his skis and his uniform, and promised to get him training, my question is, is there a way to find a list of athletes to look for him?
Many thanks in advance.

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And again like the last Winter game, Sofia Goggia got an injury and she probably skip the following races in Beijin.

What a sad story for her, the second time in her carrier.

She was going for at least 2-to 3 potential medals.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

It depends on the sport, I agree that in those sports in which there is almost no skill element at all the only options that athletes have is to be a freak of nature or to cheat if they want to break a world record.

However in the games in which your skill is more important this is not necessary, for example do you need illegal enhancing drugs to shoot a bow and arrow? Most likely the answer is no, and in such a sport cheating by using illegal substances is way more rare compared to what we see in other disciplines.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on January 24, 2022, 08:31:36 AM

There are two challenges which China has to overcome in order to smoothly execute winter games.

No need to worry about the current 73 cases of the virus being reported Beijing introduces more COVID measures as cases mount before Olympics, and Winter Olympics: China's Covid policy and work?, I'm sure they'll be able to do it all before the 2022 Olympics take place.

Everything will be fine, all hope the 2022 Olympics in china this time can be a success.

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Quote from: dimonstration on January 21, 2022, 01:22:40 PM

Health should be the most priority in everything, there is a reason why they get stricter inisolation as well in implementation since the spread of covid is still present and possible. Setting records of winnings might be too impossible at this time of pandemic but still many players are trying to do what they can to prove themselves. We will see whether the olympic will be successful or whi will win.

Just few weeks before the start of Olympics there are confirm cases of covid19 coming up in China. There are 73 confirmed cases by last Thursday source. Moreover there are some diplomatic issues also which China is facing. There are two challenges which China has to overcome in order to smoothly execute winter games.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

The question will be rather: are there athletes participating who do not have asthma? Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, high competition sport begins to enter a level, where the demand to overcome records is so high and meaningless, that some kind of scheme is almost always accepted (as long as it is not too scandalous). It's sad and shameful.

Health should be the most priority in everything, there is a reason why they get stricter inisolation as well in implementation since the spread of covid is still present and possible. Setting records of winnings might be too impossible at this time of pandemic but still many players are trying to do what they can to prove themselves. We will see whether the olympic will be successful or whi will win.

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 21, 2022, 09:11:02 AM

I know you're being ironic, but in fact this is a controversial issue when we think that you can't deprive a player of taking a medication he depends on to be able to live, but it's a fact that such medications positively interfere with the athlete's performance and also very suspicious that some athletes are taking this medication without the real need, accusing they have asthma.
The problem is to find a "middle ground" between what is ethical and what is doping, this is a problem that isn't easily solved.

That's true. But also, those who take them without needing these drugs, sooner or later will have consequences for their own health.
Are they worried about it? No! But also, they will not have the opportunity to enjoy their victories for a long time. And when they die, they will be known as the athletes who won prizes at the expense of a false illness.

It happens like cycling with Armstrong. Angry

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 21, 2022, 08:50:14 AM

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating.

I guess you are just not familiar with scandal with Norwegian biathlon athletes. In the last olympics they won a lot of medals in biathlon and cross country skiing. And what a coincidence, every Norwegian skiing athlete is sick with asthma. And what a coincidence, they all take SYMBICORT, which consist from a huge part of Salbutamol, that is counted as doping. Why others can use that, and others are not allowed to use special medicine? My position is - if you are sick, participate among other sick athletes.

I know you're being ironic, but in fact this is a controversial issue when we think that you can't deprive a player of taking a medication he depends on to be able to live, but it's a fact that such medications positively interfere with the athlete's performance and also very suspicious that some athletes are taking this medication without the real need, accusing they have asthma.
The problem is to find a "middle ground" between what is ethical and what is doping, this is a problem that isn't easily solved.

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Quote from: pinggoki on January 21, 2022, 07:33:19 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating.

I guess you are just not familiar with scandal with Norwegian biathlon athletes. In the last olympics they won a lot of medals in biathlon and cross country skiing. And what a coincidence, every Norwegian skiing athlete is sick with asthma. And what a coincidence, they all take SYMBICORT, which consist from a huge part of Salbutamol, that is counted as doping. Why others can use that, and others are not allowed to use special medicine? My position is - if you are sick, participate among other sick athletes.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating. No, they don't need any shit like PED to push the limits, it's kind of insulting to athletes that you say that they're hitting a brick wall and that they need to dope up just to break that plateau.

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Quote from: galambo on January 15, 2022, 02:23:55 PM

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

And the administration must have some plan to continue the games even if there are some Covid-19 cases comes up, I am sure they have some plan for that. I have the feeling that with time the fear of this virus is getting down and in few years it will be like a normal virus. China can cope this virus better then anyother country.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 20, 2022, 05:08:22 PM

Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

The question will be rather: are there athletes participating who do not have asthma? Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, high competition sport begins to enter a level, where the demand to overcome records is so high and meaningless, that some kind of scheme is almost always accepted (as long as it is not too scandalous). It's sad and shameful.

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Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 16, 2022, 03:59:07 AM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 15, 2022, 07:39:21 PM

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

That's why in these games, as well as those in Tokyo, the winners will be the athletes who are better mentally than even physically.

Before Covid, an athlete could even be very well mentally, but if physically he was a little lower than others, he would hardly be able to win. Today he is a little on the contrary, he may even be the best athlete in the world, but for not being well mentally, he ends up not having good performances.

This in turn gives the opportunity to lesser known athletes, who in a normal situation would hardly win, now get a good result because they are mentally strong, even though they don't have the best physical condition.

I agree, when people think of the Olympic Games most of the time they think on the impressive athletic performances that we see, however they do not take into account what is behind, which is the mentality that brought them to that point on their lives.

So someone that can deal with adversity and with difficult circumstances in a more healthy way is someone that has a great advantage over their competitors during these games, and we know this is true because on the Summer Olympic games we saw a lot of surprises because of this.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 15, 2022, 04:52:28 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 15, 2022, 02:23:55 PM

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

I agree with you, now everything is putting Covid-19 before everything, and I have seen that the measures they take to avoid contagion have no effect, this virus is something that obviously the human being created and that it does not It is known if they will actually have the cure, the truth is that I am skeptical about believing in the WHO and any organization, because I know that all this is based on a business model, but that it is directly affecting such an important event, which should not be above sport, and I believe that here sport should prevail and not other interests.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 15, 2022, 07:39:21 PM

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

That's why in these games, as well as those in Tokyo, the winners will be the athletes who are better mentally than even physically.

Before Covid, an athlete could even be very well mentally, but if physically he was a little lower than others, he would hardly be able to win. Today he is a little on the contrary, he may even be the best athlete in the world, but for not being well mentally, he ends up not having good performances.

This in turn gives the opportunity to lesser known athletes, who in a normal situation would hardly win, now get a good result because they are mentally strong, even though they don't have the best physical condition.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 15, 2022, 04:52:28 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 15, 2022, 02:23:55 PM

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

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Quote from: galambo on January 15, 2022, 02:23:55 PM

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

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