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Quote from: flower1024 on March 20, 2012, 08:30:59 AM

you really want mtgox to tell publicly about their customers and to act like a bitcoin police?
for me this would be a reason to leave bitcoin completely.

the major exchange doing stuff I don't like would not be a reason for me to abandon bitcoin at all. It might be a reason to abandon that exchange. I wouldn't even abandon bitcoin if there where no exchanges left.

Quote from: flower1024 on March 20, 2012, 08:30:59 AM

but i dont have a big problem with this miner anyway... its just interesting

Me neither, at least not yet. Let's see if the incentive structures of bitcoin work out. I doubt this miner is acting in ignorance to the fact that he might be hurting himself badly when mining well >50%. After all, pulling this off took quite a few resources (whatever these are).

Criminal or not: Big fish ain't stupid.

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~~Is it possible some industrious pool operator is leveraging underutilized client hardware?~~
Damn Botnets.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 20, 2012, 08:31:37 AM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on March 20, 2012, 08:16:22 AM

... I fear that we are freaking doomed.

That is the biggest sob story nonsense of the morning. Either you have a need for doom & gloom or you are short BTC.

"save us"? Really?

It's seems to me like a case of counterfeiting (even if it's not, actually). The point being that someone is already "printing" a large part of the monetary supply at almost no cost for him compared to legit miners. What is much worse is that if one did it, others can too (and will), and the worse would be when some "non profit botter" comes in play, just for the "lulz".

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Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:25:07 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

BadBear,

90K USD/week can be sold on mtgox only, every other exchange can not handle such a high volume, so either we are concerned and we want to find out who he is or we can close this thread right now.

spiccioli

Why close the thread? We can still speculate and "play police".

spiccioli

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Quote from: flower1024 on March 20, 2012, 08:30:59 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:25:07 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

BadBear,

90K USD/week can be sold on mtgox only, every other exchange can not handle such a high volume, so either we are concerned and we want to find out who he is or we can close this thread right now.

spiccioli

you really want mtgox to tell publicly about their customers and to act like a bitcoin police?
for me this would be a reason to leave bitcoin completely.

but i dont have a big problem with this miner anyway... its just interesting

Either we ask mtgox or we try to find out on our own we are already acting like police officers.

Someone yesterday port-scanned the IP, now what are we going to do?

Do we try to break in into one of the nodes?

Send abuse emails?

I have nothing against him but the fact that he is not including transactions.

If he keeps adding bots to his net he could become so large that he can disrupt the bitcoin network.

spiccioli

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Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

I don't think so. And anyway: from a bitcoin perspective there are no "laws" against using a botnet to mine, are there? Neither are there any "laws" against tx-free blocks. The "laws" of bitcoin (bitcoin in terms of the blockchain) are the rules governing the blockchain implemented in the majority of the mining nodes.

If anyone wants to go after the botnet operator/owner through legal system, they are free to do so, but don't count on mtgox disclosing info without a court requiring them to do so.

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Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:25:07 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

BadBear,

90K USD/week can be sold on mtgox only, every other exchange can not handle such a high volume, so either we are concerned and we want to find out who he is or we can close this thread right now.

spiccioli

Right, but attempting to track people down by going through the exchanges is setting a bad precedent and something not a whole lot of people are going to support. And no I'm not going to close the thread because you had a bad idea and I don't like it.

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on March 20, 2012, 08:16:22 AM

Quote from: jamesg on March 20, 2012, 07:56:23 AM

I think the bigger question here is how is our new MM cashing out?
To cash out $90k a month on mtgox.com is multiple steps in verifying your identification.

Yes. Just when BTC price was recovering nicely you get this huge vertical drop. Either the botter cashed out, or ppl are catching up with this story.
Anyway I would not have ordered a 5830 yesterday if I had read this before. This is bad bot for miners and BTC, since someone can get it for free stealing, and that is not exactly what inspire the trust of the market. If some antivirus company will not save us soon, I fear that we are freaking doomed.

That is the biggest sob story nonsense of the morning. Either you have a need for doom & gloom or you are short BTC.

"save us"? Really?

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Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:25:07 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

BadBear,

90K USD/week can be sold on mtgox only, every other exchange can not handle such a high volume, so either we are concerned and we want to find out who he is or we can close this thread right now.

spiccioli

you really want mtgox to tell publicly about their customers and to act like a bitcoin police?
for me this would be a reason to leave bitcoin completely.

but i dont have a big problem with this miner anyway... its just interesting

spiccioli

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Quote from: BadBear on March 20, 2012, 08:16:57 AM

Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

BadBear,

90K USD/week can be sold on mtgox only, every other exchange can not handle such a high volume, so either we are concerned and we want to find out who he is or we can close this thread right now.

spiccioli

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on March 20, 2012, 08:16:22 AM

Yes. Just when BTC price was recovering nicely you get this huge vertical drop. Either the botter cashed out, or ppl are catching up with this story.
Anyway I would not have ordered a 5830 yesterday if I had read this before. This is bad bot for miners and BTC, since someone can get it for free stealing, and that is not exactly what inspire the trust of the market. If some antivirus company will not save us soon, I fear that we are freaking doomed.

This is a bit over dramatic.

It is much more profitable for MM to play the mining game than it is for him to destroy the network. Your fears are unfounded because of simple human nature and greed.

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Quote from: spiccioli on March 20, 2012, 08:14:03 AM

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

Is that really a road we want to go down?

conspirosphere.tk

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Quote from: jamesg on March 20, 2012, 07:56:23 AM

I think the bigger question here is how is our new MM cashing out?
To cash out $90k a month on mtgox.com is multiple steps in verifying your identification.

Yes. Just when BTC price was recovering nicely you get this huge vertical drop. Either the botter cashed out, or ppl are catching up with this story.
Anyway I would not have ordered a 5830 yesterday if I had read this before. This is bad bot for miners and BTC, since someone can get it for free stealing, and that is not exactly what inspire the trust of the market. If some antivirus company will not save us soon, I fear that we are freaking doomed.

spiccioli

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Quote from: jamesg on March 20, 2012, 07:56:23 AM

I think the bigger question here is how is our new MM cashing out?

To cash out $90k a month on mtgox.com is multiple steps in verifying your identification.

Next step could be asking mtgox if they're receiving BTC from the blocks mined by MM...

spiccioli

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I think the bigger question here is how is our new MM cashing out?

To cash out $90k a month on mtgox.com is multiple steps in verifying your identification.

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Quote from: wiretapped on March 20, 2012, 05:22:17 AM

Quote from: DeepBit on March 20, 2012, 03:06:39 AM

Quote from: wiretapped on March 20, 2012, 01:48:11 AM

FWIW, these two blocks just recently mined by Deepbit also have out-of-order timestamps:
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171974
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171975

171974 was not mined by me.

http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/

Yet blockchain.info claims it was! Interesting. Do they just attribute blocks by the IP address that first relayed it to them?

Yes. It's unreliable method.

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Quote from: DeepBit on March 20, 2012, 03:06:39 AM

Quote from: wiretapped on March 20, 2012, 01:48:11 AM

FWIW, these two blocks just recently mined by Deepbit also have out-of-order timestamps:
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171974
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171975

171974 was not mined by me.

http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/

Yet blockchain.info claims it was! Interesting. Do they just attribute blocks by the IP address that first relayed it to them?

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I noticed the mystery miner's blocks coinbase values follow a consistent format... a constant 4 byte field of '87320b1a' followed by a 3 byte field in which the last byte is either unchanged or increments (usually by 1) from one block to the next. Prior to the samples documented below, I saw the last byte of the 3 byte field counting from x'10' through x'20' (skipping x'1c').

I don't know the significance of the 4 byte value of '87320b1a', but I noticed it is commonly found in the coin base of many blocks besides the mystery blocks. The 3 byte coinbase field is possibly unique to the mystery miner.

Sample 3 byte mystery miner coinbase fields and block numbers:

931f21 171886
accc21 171900
bc1922 171908
411f22 171910
a32422 171911
[at this point the counter reset to 00 apparently]
1a8400 171931
489700 171936
93a300 171938
280302 171964
e42102 171967
5d2802 171968
4f4502 171971

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Quote from: kjj on March 20, 2012, 01:20:50 AM

You can't really include transactions in the blocks without having more or less the full block chain available, which takes up a lot of drive space and RAM, which would make the bot much easier to detect. By handing out only the latest block's hash, the system is as close to stateless as it can be. Each zombie just needs that, and then it can create the rest alone.

I didn't think of that.
So the calculation I did, about 1.7 seconds time each 10 minutes for break even profit for including transactions, is probably to little time for each client to do by itself.
So even if the 'waste' of diskspace wouldn't matter it would be profit loss for a client that does including transaction itself.
Getting more and more interesting in this thread

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Quote from: wiretapped on March 20, 2012, 01:48:11 AM

FWIW, these two blocks just recently mined by Deepbit also have out-of-order timestamps:
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171974
http://blockchain.info/block-height/171975

171974 was not mined by me.

http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/

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