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legendary
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A question about orders priority: what determines a place in the queue of boards production? Is it the batch number or order number from burnin's shop?

Both: If you order before me and your batch of chips is there , you will get your miner before me. If you order before me but your batch of chips is not there , i will get my miner before you.
newbie
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A question about orders priority: what determines a place in the queue of boards production? Is it the batch number or order number from burnin's shop?
member
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Them boards look awsome! Any chance we could see the design schematic I'd like to compare it with the klondike board. Yours looks like a much better power setup and I really like the CAN Bus. Nice work glad to see a finished product.
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For all wanting to support Burnins project with Zefir group buy Avalon chips, I suggest reading this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2630946


Locked and Loaded Burnin Cool


Correct me if I'm wrong but Burnin hasn't taken orders yet right?

And you've locked in to ship to Burnin? Arn't you getting ahead of your self? Burnin hasn't officially listed the prices for board yet right?

Or have I missed some critical BitBurner information?

Cheers,
QG
legendary
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Bitcoin is too valuable to be used as a currency
For all wanting to support Burnins project with Zefir group buy Avalon chips, I suggest reading this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2630946


Locked and Loaded Burnin Cool



Locked and loaded here too, thanks for posting this...
legendary
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Sweet update, diff is rising though...
sr. member
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So, reading that I get that the group buy is over.  No further orders being taken.  If you ordered chips, then you can get burnin boards, otherwise not.  Correct? 

As I understand it, only SebastianJu's groupbuy is open on batch 6 currently. But Avalon's chips are "Out of Stock", and since SebastianJu doesn't purchase the chips before hand, batch 6 is at a stand still.
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So, reading that I get that the group buy is over.  No further orders being taken.  If you ordered chips, then you can get burnin boards, otherwise not.  Correct? 

SebastianJu has a groupbuy that is remaining open, and has the option of sending to burnin

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-avalon-asic-chips-sebastianju-batch-6-ordered-closed-187660
hero member
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So, reading that I get that the group buy is over.  No further orders being taken.  If you ordered chips, then you can get burnin boards, otherwise not.  Correct? 
sr. member
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For all wanting to support Burnins project with Zefir group buy Avalon chips, I suggest reading this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2630946


Locked and Loaded Burnin Cool

member
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And with maximum overclocking the stock heat sink will not suffice (more then 70 Watts/board).

Burnin - is the regulator design still setup for [email protected]/chip? I remember when you bumped it from 2.5A.

(trying to stay away from starting a full board TDP discussion here)

Thanks!
newbie
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That would (continue to) be outstanding! Yes, please.  Smiley

So we are within the 72 hour window to go gangbusters?

Production heatsink is 83x100x40mm.
Board dimensions:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkuayv84tr63x70/BitBurnerXX_rev3.pdf
I could provide a iges/step files of the assembled board if that helps.

Todays status:
Found a nasty bug that produced the flood of nonce errors.
And I fried one part of that chip that i planned to replace tomorrow. - just another reason to change it.
But it meant that i could only run it with one chain today.
It was pretty stable though, about 2% HW errors.
But with the replacement chip that should hopefully go down to 0%.
And then I can pull the trigger on the website and the PCB Orders.
sr. member
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That is cool and Thanks. Smiley
sr. member
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ALTCOM Ab9upXvD7ChnJxDRZgMmwNNEf1ftCGWrsE
So keep cool when keeping it cool, peace out.
True, but watercooling could increase the packing density of the Boards.
And with maximum overclocking the stock heat sink will not suffice (more then 70 Watts/board).

No that's not the Production heatsink:

Am working on a case/cooling solution, are dimensions of the production heatsink known?

Production heatsink is 83x100x40mm.
Board dimensions:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkuayv84tr63x70/BitBurnerXX_rev3.pdf
I could provide a iges/step files of the assembled board if that helps.

Todays status:
Found a nasty bug that produced the flood of nonce errors.
And I fried one part of that chip that i planned to replace tomorrow. - just another reason to change it.
But it meant that i could only run it with one chain today.
It was pretty stable though, about 2% HW errors.
But with the replacement chip that should hopefully go down to 0%.
And then I can pull the trigger on the website and the PCB Orders.
member
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do the chips really transfer more heat into the PCB than to the upper side?

Yes, they are designed this way. And you shouldnt put a heatsink on top. Yifu said this will have a negative effect instead.

Can anybody verify this?
On computer mainboards. (NB/SB , MOSFETS) or RAM you can cool with out problem from the top.

The differential temperature in one chip should be less than 1°C ... i can not image that this would have a negativ effect.

The only can explain the negativ effect throuhg wrong/to high mounting force. (so that the chip will break)

Regards
Finn 

Hey guys, to all who are concerned about cooling from the other side of the PCB, please chill (pun intended) and study "thermal vias" - a common method to cool modest wattage surface mount components from the back of the board.  Read up here and feel better:
http://www.electronicproducts.com/Thermal_Management/Heat_Sinks_and_Thermal_Materials/PCB-cooling_techniques_and_strategies_for_IC_packages.aspx

Bottom line:  Don't put heat sinks on top of your avalons - it won't do anything good or bad, but will risk breaking the chips off of the board if the heat sink gets twisted or bumped or over tightened.  SMC's are not the strongest type of chip package, and these babies are not really designed for top cooling.  Chips you should cool with top heat sinks were designed for top heat sinks - and if you study the package form factors closely you will see clever reasons why they should be top or bottom cooled.  (Like for top cooled chips, too many lead contacts on the bottom, or the chip fits in a socket which blocks downward thermal flow, or the wattage is just too high for through PCB cooling, blah blah etc..)

These asics want back side cooling, and we should rejoice because it's a reliable and easy (cheap) way to go.  They have a metal pad on the bottom designed for heat flow into the PCB, with a kind of thick layer of plastic on top which does not really conduct heat that well.

And to all the liquid coolers and mineral oil guys - the wattage of these ASIC's is not super high so they don't make big heat like a hard core top end zillion core super clocked beast chip.  So spend the money on fancy cooling systems if you want, but the only real benefit might be noise reduction.  I don't think the ROI would be in your favor on technical merits, Burnin has demonstrated that he knows what he's doing.  Now I love liquid cooling as much as the next guy and have a pretty sweet water chilled silent rig, but pragmatism is a virtue.  ;-)  Remember these ASICS are killer tech because they do more work for less power which means dramatically less total heat per square mm per hash (generally speaking) than an equivalent old school rig (cpu, gpu, fpga, whatever).

So keep cool when keeping it cool, peace out.  Smiley
newbie
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I think Sophokles answered your question.

Links: http://tinyurl.com/m4zy7p3  <-- this was posted elsewhere, maybe in this thread IIRC.


do the chips really transfer more heat into the PCB than to the upper side?

Yes, they are designed this way. And you shouldnt put a heatsink on top. Yifu said this will have a negative effect instead.

Can anybody verify this?
On computer mainboards. (NB/SB , MOSFETS) or RAM you can cool with out problem from the top.

The differential temperature in one chip should be less than 1°C ... i can not image that this would have a negativ effect.

The only can explain the negativ effect throuhg wrong/to high mounting force. (so that the chip will break)
hero member
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do the chips really transfer more heat into the PCB than to the upper side?

Yes, they are designed this way. And you shouldnt put a heatsink on top. Yifu said this will have a negative effect instead.

Can anybody verify this?
On computer mainboards. (NB/SB , MOSFETS) or RAM you can cool with out problem from the top.

The differential temperature in one chip should be less than 1°C ... i can not image that this would have a negativ effect.

The only can explain the negativ effect throuhg wrong/to high mounting force. (so that the chip will break)

Regards
Finn 

Putting a heat sink on top will restrict the airflow over the pcb. The pcb has internal copper layers ('ground' is usually designed as a plane) which act as heat spreaders as well.
newbie
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do the chips really transfer more heat into the PCB than to the upper side?

Yes, they are designed this way. And you shouldnt put a heatsink on top. Yifu said this will have a negative effect instead.

Can anybody verify this?
On computer mainboards. (NB/SB , MOSFETS) or RAM you can cool with out problem from the top.

The differential temperature in one chip should be less than 1°C ... i can not image that this would have a negativ effect.

The only can explain the negativ effect throuhg wrong/to high mounting force. (so that the chip will break)

Regards
Finn 
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What are these 4 slots? The middle at the end is for power? What about the other 2 at the end and the 2 at the left side?

Offtopic: Its funny how much such pcb's remind me of cities. Streets, flat buildings, oil containers, foundries with chimneys... Smiley
Nearest us - USB, Power, Power & Power.  3 connection options depending on how you intend to power it.
Left side - CAN Bus header connector, and what looks like a cooling fan power connector.
newbie
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No that's not the Production heatsink:

Am working on a case/cooling solution, are dimensions of the production heatsink known?
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