As far as i understood the board works with 10 or 20 chips. Not with any other number. There are 2 groups of 10 chips each. Thats why both boards are nearly the same price i guess. A bitburner x is only a bitburner xx with 1 instead both 10-chip routes enabled.
You know this for a fact? Yes the chips are logically organised in chains, but initial discussions were quite clear there would be two boards. Hence why I say, check with the man himself.
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As far as i understood the board works with 10 or 20 chips. Not with any other number. There are 2 groups of 10 chips each. Thats why both boards are nearly the same price i guess. A bitburner x is only a bitburner xx with 1 instead both 10-chip routes enabled.
You know this for a fact? Yes the chips are logically organised in chains, but initial discussions were quite clear there would be two boards. Hence why I say, check with the man himself. Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
i.e. why bother if the efficiency drops off a cliff? More efficient is better, right?
Thinking about it, I guess you could look at the ROI on the extra output against the power overhead.
By that I mean the first 5.1 Gh/s cost you 36W, the next 1.3 cost you 14W so whilst that is profitable at electricity and difficulty levels then its worth doing. When its not, don't.
But how much is sensible to invest in cooling to achieve higher rates? Is there a rule of thumb?
You'd need to work out an ROI and set a profit expectation. Has anyone looked at this?
I see it a bit different. Look at the costs of mining gold. The people who invested tons say 10 years ago, and stuck to their gold until today, are wealthy people today (look at gold increase past 10 years). The ones who mined, and sold it all, made much less.
So sell as little as possible is my strategy, potentially invest in asicminer shares, and increase your rig to get more coins as you increase your hold. That being said, as someone said, the more hashpower i can get, for a slight increase in cost, is irrelivant for me. I intend to stock the coins as much as i can and join upcoming generation chip (avalon 2?, BFL, bitfury) group buys when they come available (to be part of first batches)..
As far as i understood the board works with 10 or 20 chips. Not with any other number. There are 2 groups of 10 chips each. Thats why both boards are nearly the same price i guess. A bitburner x is only a bitburner xx with 1 instead both 10-chip routes enabled.
Agreed, it should work as a '10 on a 20 board' but I just need to be sure.
Check with the man himself. A few days back he was clear he won't do partial assembly - but on the plus side confirmed he will do 10. However, will you have to wait for a Bitburner X or get an underpopulated BitBurner XX? Only one man knows the answer to that.
I won't do partial assembly, either 10 or 20.
Agreed, it should work as a '10 on a 20 board' but I just need to be sure.
Check with the man himself. A few days back he was clear he won't do partial assembly - but on the plus side confirmed he will do 10. However, will you have to wait for a Bitburner X or get an underpopulated BitBurner XX? Only one man knows the answer to that.
I can buy 15 chips more from zefir and I'm not sure if it is possible for a 20 chip board to work with only 15 chips placed on it.
Basically Im asking if it can work underpopulated and add later 5 chips more.
Basically Im asking if it can work underpopulated and add later 5 chips more.
I won't do partial assembly, either 10 or 20.
Agreed, it should work as a '10 on a 20 board' but I just need to be sure.
Check with the man himself. A few days back he was clear he won't do partial assembly - but on the plus side confirmed he will do 10. However, will you have to wait for a Bitburner X or get an underpopulated BitBurner XX? Only one man knows the answer to that.
I can buy 15 chips more from zefir and I'm not sure if it is possible for a 20 chip board to work with only 15 chips placed on it.
Basically Im asking if it can work underpopulated and add later 5 chips more.
Basically Im asking if it can work underpopulated and add later 5 chips more.
I won't do partial assembly, either 10 or 20.
I ordered chips for a Bitburner X 4 weeks ago.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
why not buy some additional chips? They are cheap at the moment and a 20 chip model will be much more efficient and cost- effective.
I've been trying to buy 10 chips from SebastianJu's 5th batch to complete a XX, with no success.
If I order any new chips they will come from the 6th batch which have not been ordered from Avalon yet. It doesn't make sense having 10 chips 'wait around' for another 10 to come from the following batch. I'm better off selling the 10 I've ordered and start again.
All I need is assurance that the 10x model is going ahead as per the first post. I've asked three times now, just need a yes/no!
The chips are chained by 5x5 as i read. So stacking 10 chips on a 20 board should be no problem. (and then you can add later should you want to, batch 6 is ordered the other day).
Agreed, it should work as a '10 on a 20 board' but I just need to be sure.
Todays status update:
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
Finally a "burnin" test...
It would be interesting to know the temperatures and HW-Errors when overclocking. Maybe a third value on top so that one could calculate how higher overclocking will turn out.
By the way... will the miner stop working when the chips overheat? For example when a fan breaks or so. Not that the chips die a hot death then only.
You're on the right track, but the risk is mechanical, not thermal. We're not dealing with a huge amount of heat here like you would get with a high end CPU or GPU, and the temperature differential won't do anything exciting. (Unless you were totally bonkers and were using liquid nitrogen or something... badideadontdoit)
These chips are just designed to cool from the bottom, not the top. You can't turn screws with hammers, use the right tools for the job.
What about complete submerging in mineral oil? And then cool the oil in a big radiator. No stress to the chip, and cooling from both bottom and top.
I ordered chips for a Bitburner X 4 weeks ago.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
why not buy some additional chips? They are cheap at the moment and a 20 chip model will be much more efficient and cost- effective.
I've been trying to buy 10 chips from SebastianJu's 5th batch to complete a XX, with no success.
If I order any new chips they will come from the 6th batch which have not been ordered from Avalon yet. It doesn't make sense having 10 chips 'wait around' for another 10 to come from the following batch. I'm better off selling the 10 I've ordered and start again.
All I need is assurance that the 10x model is going ahead as per the first post. I've asked three times now, just need a yes/no!
The chips are chained by 5x5 as i read. So stacking 10 chips on a 20 board should be no problem. (and then you can add later should you want to, batch 6 is ordered the other day).
Why not stack them according to the design? The front page shows a schematic.
I still want to 'stack' them in a cube: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2362815
In that cube fans are positioned to ensure good airflow both inside the heatsink tunnel, and over the top of the boards.
It's a Klondike design, but I think it can work here, too.
Noob question: Where do you run the cables through?
I read about a hole in the glass.
Todays status update:
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
nice update, glad to see OC stats...
Why not stack them according to the design? The front page shows a schematic.
I still want to 'stack' them in a cube: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2362815
In that cube fans are positioned to ensure good airflow both inside the heatsink tunnel, and over the top of the boards.
It's a Klondike design, but I think it can work here, too.
Noob question: Where do you run the cables through?
I ordered chips for a Bitburner X 4 weeks ago.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
why not buy some additional chips? They are cheap at the moment and a 20 chip model will be much more efficient and cost- effective.
I've been trying to buy 10 chips from SebastianJu's 5th batch to complete a XX, with no success.
If I order any new chips they will come from the 6th batch which have not been ordered from Avalon yet. It doesn't make sense having 10 chips 'wait around' for another 10 to come from the following batch. I'm better off selling the 10 I've ordered and start again.
All I need is assurance that the 10x model is going ahead as per the first post. I've asked three times now, just need a yes/no!
I ordered chips for a Bitburner X 4 weeks ago.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
why not buy some additional chips? They are cheap at the moment and a 20 chip model will be much more efficient and cost- effective.
Todays status update:
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
Overall Project status: Working hard to get the boards into Production & final touches to the order website
Development status:
Yesterdays 24hr Burn in was completed with 0,3% HW errors.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
Talked to the guys from Anfi-Tec today to get the watercooling solution going.
>>>>And for all the CAD gurus out there: 3D MODELS<<<<
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl0t2anb000tz8q/3dmodel.zip
Are you going to provide the water cooling solution with your shop, too?
I mean, if they can get it done as fast. That would be beyond awesome, actually. I am flipflopping on your normal and the air cooling solution variation. I guess the boards will increase their price with heatsink to around 90-100€ per piece (calculated from 80€ for bare solution and 100 for full solution with fan). Add a pump, a few cables and a radiator and we are done...
I ordered chips for a Bitburner X 4 weeks ago.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
If it turns out there will not be a 10 chip model anymore I'm screwed.
yes, no words about 10 chip modules, and I was planning to buy few.
Burnin, please confirm you will still be building 10 chip miners
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
i.e. why bother if the efficiency drops off a cliff? More efficient is better, right?
Thinking about it, I guess you could look at the ROI on the extra output against the power overhead.
By that I mean the first 5.1 Gh/s cost you 36W, the next 1.3 cost you 14W so whilst that is profitable at electricity and difficulty levels then its worth doing. When its not, don't.
But how much is sensible to invest in cooling to achieve higher rates? Is there a rule of thumb?
You'd need to work out an ROI and set a profit expectation. Has anyone looked at this?
In general, increases in difficulty affect your ROI long before electricity costs.
EDIT: i.e. hashpower is worth more today than it is tomorrow. A flat 10% decrease in efficiency pales in comparison to the 10% difficulty changes 3 times a month.
Implemented Temperature monitoring today and tested Overclocking capabilities a bit.
20x 256Mhz = 5.120Ghash/s - 36 Watts 142Mhash/W
20x 320Mhz = 6.400Ghash/s - 50 Watts 128Mhash/W
i.e. why bother if the efficiency drops off a cliff? More efficient is better, right?
Thinking about it, I guess you could look at the ROI on the extra output against the power overhead.
By that I mean the first 5.1 Gh/s cost you 36W, the next 1.3 cost you 14W so whilst that is profitable at electricity and difficulty levels then its worth doing. When its not, don't.
But how much is sensible to invest in cooling to achieve higher rates? Is there a rule of thumb?
You'd need to work out an ROI and set a profit expectation. Has anyone looked at this?
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