[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service - page 141.

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Quote from: tiros on June 23, 2013, 05:07:27 PM

Quote from: ummas on June 23, 2013, 04:58:43 PM

@tiros
somme of us are planning to watercool our XX bitSUPERBurnner.
we just need opurtunity to OC. You can choose, do it or not.

That is OK, but will burnin implement such a solution.
These chips are not sophisticated or even tested like GPU and CPU's are. They were just marked as passed, and no extensive testing was made.
I am skeptic about durability of those chips, and assume that chips life span would be shorten drastically if we would overclocked them or increased voltage.
Of course this is not my field of expertise and feel free to correct me anytime you want.

1 GH/s today is probably worth a lot more than 1.1 GH/s a week from now... So factor that when talking about shortened lifespan. I am probably fine with 10% increase in hashrate which halves the lifespan... Didnt do the math yet... The rate of increase of wear to the OC'd capacity needs to be measured and can only be done with prolonged testing... I guess if you can cool it fast enough, it should be fine.

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Quote from: ummas on June 23, 2013, 04:58:43 PM

@tiros
somme of us are planning to watercool our XX bitSUPERBurnner.
we just need opurtunity to OC. You can choose, do it or not.

That is OK, but will burnin implement such a solution.
These chips are not sophisticated or even tested like GPU and CPU's are. They were just marked as passed, and no extensive testing was made.
I am skeptic about durability of those chips, and assume that chips life span would be shorten drastically if we would overclocked them or increased voltage.
Of course this is not my field of expertise and feel free to correct me anytime you want.

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@Micky25
Non taken.

Cyrylik letters are like bushes to me, or mouse running on the keyboard. I was newer forced to learn russian.
But i was forced to learn french and german Tongue

It has deep impact on my prsonality.... Tongue

@tiros
somme of us are planning to watercool our XX bitSUPERBurnner.
we just need opurtunity to OC. You can choose, do it or not.

tiros

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I am pretty confident that Avalon sell units that by their opinion should last for some time (even if not declared).
There are some units that were reported to stop working from batch #1 o #2, I am not sure, so people are selling not working modules.
In my opinion heating is the main cause of it, and even if overclocking is implemented we should be careful not to fry our precious and expensive hardware.
This overclocking story should be subject of prolonged testing and very efficient cooling. It's not question can we overclock ASIC, but for how long.
Me first would like to get better and faster modules which will shorten my ROI, but if I could chose I would rather be safe than sorry.
My 2 satoshi.

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Quote from: ummas on June 23, 2013, 04:23:05 PM

I`m afraid, i`m not able to drink that much Tongue

but srlsy, why did You asume, that i understand russian? have no clue:P
Maybe polish and russian sounds for You like korean and japanese to me?

Why Germany looks like a russian enclave. We`re living in 2k+ times now.

Sorry, no offence, I just thought every child east of Germany has to learn Russian in school Cheesy

There are around 3 million ethnic Russians living in Germany at the moment. We have Russian supermarkets, nightclubs, restaurants and so on. They are an interesting addition to our community. No offence here as well Wink

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@cimpex
Yest it is. More like AVALON or blade. My blade works 20-30% faster when its cooled from top and back. Cooling just radiator is bad :/

@SebastianJu
What was the cooling system of that overclocked AVALON?

Quote from: Micky25 on June 23, 2013, 02:09:26 PM

Quote from: ummas on June 23, 2013, 01:38:28 PM

It wont be logical in just one casa.
Bitfury chips comes sooner than avalon ones.
Why develop sommethink witch we cand get, and not to develop thing we have alredy.
I really worry about avalon chips.
Bet was easy - avalon come first, but now it`s not so clear as it was month ago :/

As you are from Poland, you could maybe try to use your knowledge of the Russian language to convince Bitfury to send some chips to burnin, and perhaps take orders which will be shipped timely?
Looking around, Germany seems to be a Russian enclave anyways, so maybe we could get priority status as well Wink

I`m afraid, i`m not able to drink that much Tongue

but srlsy, why did You asume, that i understand russian? have no clue:P
Maybe polish and russian sounds for You like korean and japanese to me?

Why Germany looks like a russian enclave. We`re living in 2k+ times now.

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are the chips cooled directly or from the backside like an AM Erupter USB?

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It seems to me a big part of the problem is no one seems to know what the Avalon chip is capable of doing.
The tests you are talking about were probably done at 1.2 volts.
With a higher core voltage the chips might work reliably at even higher clock frequencies.
But heat transfer efficiencies becomes more of an issue.
Hopefully Burnin will soon be able to test overvoltage and overclocking.

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@burnin... I now read that avalon miner were successfully overclocked to 395, stable at 375MH/s or so. From 282MH normal. Now BKKCoins thinks about how to change the layout of the board to meet the higher power supply needed.
Are the bitburner already ready for those high overclocking or would there a change needed because its otherwise not possible. I know overclocking is planned but i believe bkkcoins already had planned it too even though now he needs to revise his board.

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Quote from: ummas on June 23, 2013, 01:38:28 PM

It wont be logical in just one casa.
Bitfury chips comes sooner than avalon ones.
Why develop sommethink witch we cand get, and not to develop thing we have alredy.
I really worry about avalon chips.
Bet was easy - avalon come first, but now it`s not so clear as it was month ago :/

As you are from Poland, you could maybe try to use your knowledge of the Russian language to convince Bitfury to send some chips to burnin, and perhaps take orders which will be shipped timely?
Looking around, Germany seems to be a Russian enclave anyways, so maybe we could get priority status as well Wink

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Quote from: Foofighter on June 23, 2013, 02:01:43 PM

Quote from: tytus on June 21, 2013, 05:04:47 AM

We will start sending chips beginning of next week. Probably Monday. I will try to give more detailed info about this tomorrow.

Yeah I know. The question is, will burnin get one of those...

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Quote from: tytus on June 21, 2013, 05:04:47 AM

We will start sending chips beginning of next week. Probably Monday. I will try to give more detailed info about this tomorrow.

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@burnin: Did you manage to get a sample chip from BitFury? He's offering some in his thread...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitfury-is-looking-for-alpha-testers-of-first-chips-free-money-here-228677

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It wont be logical in just one casa.
Bitfury chips comes sooner than avalon ones.
Why develop sommethink witch we cand get, and not to develop thing we have alredy.
I really worry about avalon chips.
Bet was easy - avalon come first, but now it`s not so clear as it was month ago :/

Micky25

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Quote from: minerpumpkin on June 23, 2013, 12:18:05 PM

So the BitfuryBurner ( Wink

) devices will be orderer directly at burnin and they come with all the chips soldered on. i.e. no more group buys of chips and routing them to burnin?

This sounds like a logical evolution to me. But right, one thing after the other. Even though, probing available options in time, could have been one of the reasons why mankind is on top of the food chain right now Wink

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I think the best way is just let burnin finish the 1st generation of Avalon based Miners before talking here about 2nd generation, even if the bitfury chips may come first on the market.

But it makes no sense to stop developing 1 thing and just start another, although for what burnin said if his 1st generation Miner is finished, it isnt so much of a work to change things to Bitfury chips.. at least thats what i think from his comment.

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Have we got a firm date for the Avalon chips? Bitfury might come through first!

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Lets just do 1 thing after another.. The bitfury chips are not an actual topic right now, bitfury has to finish testing them and as we all know the first chips will get into the metabank Miners.

Burnin will definatly annouce something if its time, but first lets wait for the final Avalon chip based Miners and the website to come up.

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Quote from: Micky25 on June 23, 2013, 03:17:55 AM

Quote from: bitfury on June 07, 2013, 10:01:53 PM

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Then - for small to medium order amounts actual acquisition would be done to multiple locations using intermediaries who will do assembly, certification and will have end-user support for the devices. For bigger quantities it will be possible to get chips directly.
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Perfect

So the BitfuryBurner ( Wink

) devices will be orderer directly at burnin and they come with all the chips soldered on. i.e. no more group buys of chips and routing them to burnin?

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 23, 2013, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: culexevilman on June 23, 2013, 09:43:40 AM

zefir had some extra chips so I ordered another 10 chips, how do I instruct zefir to route these 10 to you burnin?

thanks also major kudos on doing this for us.

You buy assembly in burnins shop that he opens once his miner works. Sign for his newsletter to get informed.

thanks alot。

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