Topic: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service - page 168. (Read 624197 times)

To clarify will it be possible to buy a board populated with ASIC chips?

I wouldn't mind sorting out the heatsinking myself but I don't want to be dealing with the hassle of buying chips then having to send them back off to be installed.

+1..he don't know, what is he talking about.

You're obviously new to reading comprehension. It's been said time and again that when these become available to order, it will be through a registered and verifiable business.

There is not ONE single reason to post copies of his personal photo ID on a public forum in this case. Especially not before he's actually got a product to sell. If you don't believe that he's got the skills to develop the board, then STFU and let him work on it. You can verify his credibility after seeing the results of his work. Calling it a scam, when he's not even accepting any payments is outright ridiculous. If this is a scam, at this phase, it's literally the WORST scam ever. Money has to change hands in order for a scam to pan out. 

*lol* Obviously youre new to bitcoins. I hope you wont learn it the hard way.

WTF people are asking Burnin to send his passport over the internet?? and to go check his house??

Guy's if you have doubts it's ok, you are very free to GTFO and stop wasting his time, no one is pointing a gun at you to buy Burnins assembly service. You deserve proof if you want it, so please move to the sides and wait till we (the people who trust him) get our boards and then -voilá- you'll have your proof and THEN you can make your decision. The guy is making a service to the community so, again, stop wasting his time with outrageous requests and go wait outside.

http://theawesomer.com/photos/2012/08/300812_be_water_my_friend_t.jpg Keep waiting my friend

Sorry for the inconveniences, I dont want dirty this great post and work, this is my last moan to this.

+1 Burning

+1 he will surely get some tips after he pulls this!

Unfortunately, this is nowadays a world wide standard, while our German laws heavily inhibit this.

The most important part, if you send out a passport to anyone, is actually to blacken the number, since it can be used to identify with adult services on the web.

Never EVER make a copy of the new ID card. It is forbidden by law to use them in this fashion. You are not even allowed to leave them with strangers, due to their electronic identification capabilities.



This is something I noticed. Freedom of regulation is one thing, but the whole Bitcoin core community seems to be incredibly traumatized by scams. Something I find very, very sad..

As for the identification: We could just pay for the Schufa Identity check as customers and have this done with:
https://www.schufa4b.de/de/business/produkteservices_1/b2cprodukte_1/b2cidentittsprodukt_1/schufa_identitaetscheck/identcheck.jsp

Schufa has some products that are very useful for trusting. They are a nightmare once they had bad ratings on you, but quite useful to create trusting relations.


If you need any more reviewing, let me know, i can take a look or lead this to my trusted lawyer. In Hamburg, you could also pay for Wilde, Beuger and Solmecke to review your site for a small fee.

I deleted the content to save space.... but you guys need to take a good hard look at yourselves!
Someone makes an offer based on a chain of requirements and people get all uppity about the terms and conditions?! If you don't like it then there are others about and take your chips there!
Personally I think burnin should be handed a medal not abuse as he will undoubtedly make less than those who chose to stay with him (a reputable person).
PS. due to personal circumstances I am taking advantage of zefir's buyback, so I have no personal interest in whether burnin has business... but I do hate seeing people try to do the right thing and get hounded for it!

Sure, you can split your chips. Of course that would mean a new package and so on. So i think the fiat-fee has to be paid again. But that wont matter much because the fee will be split around all senders that want to send to one address, in this case for example burnin.


Are you the guy that works together with burnin? Please let me know the date, when this is happening because one person in my groupbuy wants to take part too.


Ok, sounds good. Ill tell the user in my groupbuy that wants to visit you that he can. He most probably will contact you via pm for checking when it can be done.


How about sending no high-res, but a copy res enough to read the address and everything? I did the same and i cant imagine that someone can create a new id with my scan.


I can suggest opencart to you. Its a very easy shop without stupid scriptlanguages but in php. And there is an extension, or a fork, that is meant for german shops. It includes everything needed to stay by the law.

burnin,

I for one appreciate what your doing, its not an easy road...

Whoa, so many reply's
I'll try to address all of your concerns.

Finally! but there's still stuff missing, like the communication protocol.

I didn't react to it because i don't have that much to show at the moment.
You are of course free to Visit me, all i could show you though is my design files and source code.



I am a privacy conscious person.
Sending high res scans of my passport to strangers on the internet? - No way

I will accept Euro and BTC, i said fiat because thats the usual term here.


My Company is registered but not yet published in the "Handelsregister", the officials are taking their time.
Could be due to the holidays.
Why wouldn't i name my contractors? - i consider those trade secrets

1. I dont sell the Chips, i only provide an assembly service.
2. Why would that be of your concern?
3. Bitcointalk.org does that automatically to any link or image - go try it out.



Yes thats what kept my busy all week long!
And is the reason i wanted to stick to email orders in the beginning.
All the legal hoops one has to jump through.
And don't forget the WEEE, everyone in Germany selling electronics has to register
with a private electronic waste disposal association controlled by the big companies.
I will publish my company details for everyone to check once its in the Handelsregister.

Yes, starting a company on your own is a lot of work.  
Thats why i havn't updated the renders and details yet, the day only has 24hours.

Patience.

Let him get set up... post what he has then you can start throwing rocks. Guys put up what he can when he can... hasn't asked for cash has he? Nope. So give it a rest. Chips are 1 to 2 months out from shipping for christ sake and if you feel the need for DIY Avalon Asic porn go to BKKcoins thread. Get the low down on his board till Burin is ready. Not everyone is BFL are they?

Hi. He will set up an order page.

German laws considering company information on commercial websites is EXTREME. You have from tax numbers, owners, adresses, phone numbers, bank details, people responsible for design and content and registration numbers, everything on there.It costs you about 5000€ every time a malicious lawyer sees a site that does not have these, it is very dangerous and one of the most dangerous things about having a webshop in Germany: People hunting your "Impressum." They hunt you down like it is a sport and make you pay. I know some lawyers that do nothing else than that. If you want some stories, google "Abmahnanwälte."


From the moment Burnin registers his company, I will be able to file a search with the registry in Hamburg. It costs about 20 bucks and will list all company information necessary to make an informed decision. If people here want, we can also ask for several registries, like Identscores from Schufa, Creditreform or other institutions. These are used between parties to ensure that no fraud allegations or nonpayments have been recorded with these institutions. In Germany, having an entry with these companies basically ruins your life until the dispute is solved. No mobile contracts anymore, no bank account opening, general refusal of everyone who has a postpaid contract with you to work with you. No line of credit, refusal of credit cards.

I hate these institutions with a vengeance, because they cause a lot of damage. But if it is necessary, we can agree that Burnin simply gets so called "letter for business partners" from one of these institutions. That is normal business practice between first time business partners in Germany.

Having an online company over here is an incredible pain in the ass i have went through myself, so once the page is up, I can help. And I will be the first to tell him if there are any impressum problems.

I'm noob. A nobody...
But I've been buying Bitcoin since it was $5 and that makes me an elder compared to these fly-by-night scammers that are showing up.

jorgeantolini-
When you just copy+paste Burnin's text (like from this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1935789), it is really confusing. It's as if you are typing as Burnin himself.

Why won't he name his "officially registered company"?
Or at least the "Avionic and Military" companies in Germany he wants to contract?


This is coming from SebastianJu. Not some nobody like you or me.
If the person organizing a huge group buy reaches out, you should answer.

He claims to want to keep his design closed-source initially. That I can understand.
But to stay quiet about his identity, exact location (there are bitcoiners that want to meet him), and company, when that information will soon be required anyways, is a huge red flag.

You guys should seriously considering waiting for (or asking for) more proof:
A video of the finished prototype hashing, some more plans or schematics that won't give away his work, or at least a friggin' resume...

Two other things to consider:
1. Why would he only accept BTC for his chips but both BTC+fiat for boards?
2. How come he hasn't disclosed how many chips he has bought from Zefir himself?
3. All his images are uploaded and hosted from Anonymouse.org

I may be paranoid, or he may be genuine.
In either case, one thing is certain-
You guys need to be vigilant and have a healthy skepticism when dealing with anything Bitcoin-related.


Burnin, can you chime in?

I'm with Kickingpanda - burnin should accept only "deutsche marks"... oh wait, where will we get them? Fuck...

He is another tard who just registered a few days ago and his first long post was here declaring it a scam. This smells like Inaba's PR all over!

P.S. If you aren't a tard who was put by someone else to post this shit or you aren't Inaba then i apologize.(but you never read this topic)

Just another newbie, if you dont trust burning or dont trust this project please post in the newbie section.

1. You will order from an officially registered company in Germany, the order is a legal contract between the customer (you)
and the company (me) that both sides have to honor, or face legal consequences.
2. I won't receive any chips until July, and I will demonstrate a working Miner with the sample chips from Avalon by that time.
You are free to have your chips sent elsewhere if I don't.

Where in Germany are you located? in Hamburg

Some people in this threat are going to Hamburg this summer and public photos so shut up and wait.

PM: who the fuck are u?

And just who the fuck are you?

avalon specs are released: https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon-ref