Topic: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service - page 167. (Read 624205 times)

Oveclocking/volting would be possible? (I'm sorry if this question has already been answered I havn't read all 16 pages.)

Seems like we can talk sense again - great!


1. I use a PIC microcontroller for this design. An FPGA makes only sense for very large designs.

2. For more then 1 or 2 modules a standard PC power supply will be the best choice.
A 600W will likely support about 12 Modules, for 16 800W or more are recommended.
I will offer the Mean Well GS60A12-P1J high-efficiency power supply as option for single modules.

3.
Yes, extruded Aluminum.

4.
My calculations show that thermal vias should be sufficient but i'm trying to get copper inlays for best thermal performance.
They are solid copper chunks laminated into the board.  



135x100x50mm - still subject to change
weight: 250 to 400g



Would be around 10 or 15eur less then the one with thermal solution.
I would have to check with Sebastian first but should be possible.
Mix buy? - no problem.

Optimizing a design for minimal cost requires more development and testing then I can do that in the given time frame.
I might develop a revision 2, after shipping of the first few batches, that is more cost optimized.
But even that won't halve the price.

Burnin few question:

• Can you post estimated cost for option 3 ?
• Option 4 are possible if chip buy from SebastianJu ?
• Possibility for mix buy: one completed PCB and rest as bare bones ?

thx

GandalfG

And by the looks of it he will have plenty of work at the price he has given, why should or would anyone lower the price then?

Actually what about letting us pay MORE to jump the queue in front of your cheap clients? 

And where would be the incentive? Yeh ill do double the work for the same money, oh wait!

What's the estimated size of the 20 Chip PCB with mounting materials and cooling solution?

length, width, height?

What do you guys think how many gram?

Thx!

When you get time Burnin unless this has already been asked an answered.

And the merry go round starts again...

wow.

I want to start this out by saying I think burnin is entirely legit. I can't imagine he has anything to gain by taking Avalon chips without having a use for them like, I don't know, the expertise to make them into usable hardware? If he was truly running a scam, I believe he would have more incentive to 'order' the chips for his customers in exchange for more bitcoin/fiat.

However, this argument is so full of bullshit that I just can't help but argue. Dealextreme has already served hundreds of thousands of customers, and nearly always delivers. When something goes wrong, Dealextreme makes things right when products arrive broken or don't arrive at all. Dealextreme's name itself has value because of this, and that's how they get most of their business.

If I were to open a site that was a clone of Dealextreme, with all of Dealextreme's products all priced $1 lower than their price, than I'd still have close to zero customers until a few customers ordered and(if I delivered) I started to prove I was legitimate. With that, the name of my business would gain (or alternatively, lose) value accordingly. Dealextreme had to prove this too, and I'm sure the day they published their site they had very little business, but after years of reliably delivering, they have built up their client base.

burnin's name has value on these forums, too. This is great, as burnin is going to get more business for it and won't be flamed to hell if he bumps into a problem or two while making and testing the boards. The value of burnin's name, however, is completely subjective. Many people are thinking about sending burnin thousands of dollars worth of hardware and, for many, 30 posts on a forum doesn't provide much evidence of his desires to deliver a finished product to his customers. For that reason, many want reassurance that burnin is legit. I don't agree that asking for photo identification is the proper route, especially with asking for information as sensitive as that found on a passport, but it isn't a completely invalid request.


TL;DR: Unless you have conclusive evidence that burnin will deliver, you probably shouldn't dismiss everyone who has a different opinion than you.

Burnin.

Without revealing too much about your boards can we get any updates on design specifics. I know comparison with Bkkcoins version of a DIY Avalon will help many see that diversity is in the marketplace and will help everyone a great deal to get into more CHIP group buys. We do need as much information as possible so that we can settle people into the alternatives. BFL has a very tenuous hold on the market right now and the more project leaders can reveal the better to loosen BFL's grip and allow for more freedom in the market place.


Seeing that there is no FPGA means a lot so you are in agreement that most of these 10 -16 chip board designs and larger configurations do not need it?

Also in terms of stacking we are looking at a 600 W PSU that could supply power to how many boards?

So in terms of heat sink what will you be using Aluminium extruded like on the Avalon rigs?

The heat sinks will be connected to vias to dissipate heat or do you have something else in mind?
 
My apologies if this has been answered before in the thread. I will continue reading through and revise if necessary.

+1

If I buy four boards, will it still be 100 euros per board?

Maybe you guys can start another post to discuss your speculation on burnin's intentions.  I'd like to keep this one free for project updates.

-Jay

Dealextreme also does thousands of transactions with thousands of individuals, which amounts to thousands and thousands of dollars. Hmmm. Do you demand to see the owner's passport, before you allow other people to freely do business with them?

There's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, but accusing somebody of fraud before he's even accepting orders/payments, or even claiming to have a product available is pretty low, even by European standards..

Maybe read the whole thread before you comment. He's offered to allow people to come talk to him face to face, do in-person pickups, etc. There's no product being offered, and no money changing hands yet. Cool your jets, and let him prove himself (or not) as things unfold. If you haven't got the patience to let him deal with the government bureaucracy involved in launching a new business, perhaps you should take up day-trading of Bitcoin, and leave this to the more measured and reasoned folks.

Or maybe you should go design your own board, and sell it for potentially thousands and thousands of dollars... 

Josh, is that you? You sure have his trolling skills.

Straight out of the n00b cage and into trolling. You'll find plenty just like yourself. Nobody is saying he's not accountable. They're saying that until his business registration process is complete, and until the board design is complete, no money is changing hands, so it's a waste of time to worry about it.

Do you demand to see the passport of every individual you do transactions with in person? If somebody came into my place of business and demanded to see some ID, I'd point to my business license. If they wanted to see my passport, I'd advise them to take their business elsewhere. It's true that there are plenty of scammers out there, but unilaterally declaring anybody and everybody who offers a Bitcoin related product as a "scammer" is not only bad form, but it creates so much static that it becomes difficult for people to differentiate the real scams from the legitimate people that chicken littles like yourself like to target with scam accusations, for your own amusement.

Ok thank you for your warning. Now please move along!

I already sent out my id to around 6 persons now in my groupbuy. No one wants that he posts it in public.

I dont call it a scam. I was only wondering that attempts to prove his person or similar things werent followed. But now, when this visit really happens iam, and the buyers in my groupbuy, can make a own overview and getting a feeling about this all.

And why should we wait until the first products are out? There are people that want to be first in the queue too and they dont want to throw money randomly around without knowing where this money goes exactly and if the person that wants the money can actually deliver. So no, waiting for your experience isnt the best plan because it means to stay behind in time.

Whatever... shouting persons down that want more security is probably a bad way to find customers. I wonder how happy burnin is with your shut up and buy attitude...

Somebody that is potentially going to send you thousands of dollars worth of hardware is not a stranger.


1. This is not consistent with what you have stated in your posts in the past
2. I personally don't care. I'm smart enough to stay away. But you claimed in this post that you would reserve a number of Zefir's chips for smaller orders. Wouldn't it be helpful to let people know how many they can order?
3. This isn't true either. Just right-click on other images (not by Burnin) in this post. If I was scamming somebody, I would definitely use a service like Anonymouse too.


Wow.
It's like watching a slowly sinking ship...

Just because someone is on the internet, does not remove them from accountability.
If you were doing the same transaction in real life, you would want to know more than Burnin is telling you.

I tried to warn you guys, but now it's time to just watch and wait. I guess this is Darwinism in effect.
There are people that have no business mining and this scam is going to weed them out.
On the plus side, Burnin is going to keep the difficulty from going higher, LOL...