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Quote from: burnin on April 18, 2013, 01:30:56 PM

Quote from: Bogart on April 18, 2013, 12:21:47 PM

Quote from: burnin on April 18, 2013, 11:30:31 AM

This is an open-source project, the sources will be released when the product ships.

Does that include the PCB design files? What else?

Is there the possibility to buy just the blank PCBs from you, and gather the rest of the components and assemble them ourselves?

Blank PCB's will also be available.
Source release will include PCB-design, BOM and controller sources.

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Quote from: mistfpga on April 18, 2013, 03:43:52 PM

burinin: We already have our own supply and manufacture supply chain. Is there an option for licensing the board designs, BOM, etc so we can use all our own equipment, just not have to put the work in

Same here.

Have Board Designers and Fab on hand, just need the Chips (getting those), the boards and a shoping list for assembly parts (controllers and whatnot).

Would you license out your board-design for a fee per board?

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Quote from: burnin on May 07, 2013, 07:04:25 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 05, 2013, 05:54:43 AM

Are all asic-pcbs created like this? Its strange if it would be the case. Will it be possible to replace such chip or are they burnt too hard into pcb? I really thought the chips are organized fault-resistant like fairy lights.

Like we saw from that one blown up Avalon module the fault tolerance is on module level there.
Chips can be replaced with professional reworking stations.

Quote from: pitchbend on May 05, 2013, 08:49:34 AM

burnin, you mentioned that you'll accept FIAT (paypal, bankwire) and also BTC.
Is there any advantage of choosing either method? will you recommend us to have the funds prepared in BTC for ordering, or are both methods of payment equally fast/reliable?

Also, you mentioned that assembly order depends on the batch our chips are in (in the zefir case) but isn't there a possibility that all 7 batches are sent to zefir at the same time from AVALON? If this is the case will the batch number still be important?

I actually prefer Fiat, BTC will also be possible though.
In the case all Chips arrive in one delivery the batch # will still be relevant.

Regarding final price and opening of orders: guess mid next week if Avalon has released their infos till then.
We're still missing some critical details.

Hi Burnin,

Quick question:

I have one batch of chips with zefir, one with Sebastian, which is coming later. I would relay you the order info, if that works out. Will you be able to match that amount of chips (40) and deliver those boards in one strike? Zefirs orders are out already, SebastianJus is still out there.

If that doesn't work, I will have to get one from you in person and get the other two boards shipped... would love to hear about that. Im thinking about ordering one more batch of chips, actually...

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 05, 2013, 05:54:43 AM

Are all asic-pcbs created like this? Its strange if it would be the case. Will it be possible to replace such chip or are they burnt too hard into pcb? I really thought the chips are organized fault-resistant like fairy lights.

Like we saw from that one blown up Avalon module the fault tolerance is on module level there.
Chips can be replaced with professional reworking stations.

Quote from: pitchbend on May 05, 2013, 08:49:34 AM

burnin, you mentioned that you'll accept FIAT (paypal, bankwire) and also BTC.
Is there any advantage of choosing either method? will you recommend us to have the funds prepared in BTC for ordering, or are both methods of payment equally fast/reliable?

Also, you mentioned that assembly order depends on the batch our chips are in (in the zefir case) but isn't there a possibility that all 7 batches are sent to zefir at the same time from AVALON? If this is the case will the batch number still be important?

I actually prefer Fiat, BTC will also be possible though.
In the case all Chips arrive in one delivery the batch # will still be relevant.

Regarding final price and opening of orders: guess mid next week if Avalon has released their infos till then.
We're still missing some critical details.

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Are there any significant risks with 20-chip version compared to 10-chip? E.g. it might start shipping significantly later than 10-chip, or might have significantly bigger defects ratio or might have overheating problems, etc.

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Quote from: burnin on May 04, 2013, 09:33:06 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 03, 2013, 11:20:10 AM

Its not that all chips are working one after another and need the other chips.

They are organized in chains so you'd loose an entire chain of 10 or more Chips.
There are more reasons for smaller boards, but i don't want to go into details now.
Basically smaller boards are less risky and we don't want extra risks on such a time critical project!

Quote from: bitcoiner49er on May 03, 2013, 01:15:32 PM

I am curious about chip failure/destruction though. Is there an allotment of chips set aside for assembly mishaps?

There will be a 2 Year warranty on my Products, that covers Chip defects.
I reserved an amount of chips for this purpose.

Quote from: Toolhead on May 03, 2013, 01:27:11 PM

So what I have to do now?
Waiting for Burnin`s website to order?

Yes just that.
It will open in about a week.

Can't wait!!!

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burnin, you mentioned that you'll accept FIAT (paypal, bankwire) and also BTC.

Is there any advantage of choosing either method? will you recommend us to have the funds prepared in BTC for ordering, or are both methods of payment equally fast/reliable?

It's important to know now that the ordering window is about to open in a few days so we can be prepared.

Also, you mentioned that assembly order depends on the batch our chips are in (in the zefir case) but isn't there a possibility that all 7 batches are sent to zefir at the same time from AVALON? If this is the case will the batch number still be important?

Thanks for everything.

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Quote from: burnin on May 04, 2013, 09:33:06 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 03, 2013, 11:20:10 AM

Its not that all chips are working one after another and need the other chips.

They are organized in chains so you'd loose an entire chain of 10 or more Chips.
There are more reasons for smaller boards, but i don't want to go into details now.
Basically smaller boards are less risky and we don't want extra risks on such a time critical project!

Are all asic-pcbs created like this? Its strange if it would be the case. Will it be possible to replace such chip or are they burnt too hard into pcb? I really thought the chips are organized fault-resistant like fairy lights.
If its not possible to do it this way then i have to rethink the size of a possible pcbs miner i order.

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Quote from: burnin on May 04, 2013, 09:33:06 PM

Yes just that.
It will open in about a week.

Good news. Cheesy

Thanks burnin!

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 03, 2013, 11:20:10 AM

Its not that all chips are working one after another and need the other chips.

They are organized in chains so you'd loose an entire chain of 10 or more Chips.
There are more reasons for smaller boards, but i don't want to go into details now.
Basically smaller boards are less risky and we don't want extra risks on such a time critical project!

Quote from: bitcoiner49er on May 03, 2013, 01:15:32 PM

I am curious about chip failure/destruction though. Is there an allotment of chips set aside for assembly mishaps?

There will be a 2 Year warranty on my Products, that covers Chip defects.
I reserved an amount of chips for this purpose.

Quote from: Toolhead on May 03, 2013, 01:27:11 PM

So what I have to do now?
Waiting for Burnin`s website to order?

Yes just that.
It will open in about a week.

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Quote from: Toolhead on May 03, 2013, 01:27:11 PM

Hello,

I´ve also purchased some Chips from Zefir and want to send them to Burnin.

The only thing I´ve done so far is to transmit the btc to Zefir and sent him the p.m., so I´m in the list.

I can sign my messages.

So what I have to do now?

Waiting for Burnin`s website to order?

I want to go sure, that my chips are placed on Burnin`s boards Wink

See here

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Hello,

I´ve also purchased some Chips from Zefir and want to send them to Burnin.

The only thing I´ve done so far is to transmit the btc to Zefir and sent him the p.m., so I´m in the list.

I can sign my messages.

So what I have to do now?

Waiting for Burnin`s website to order?

I want to go sure, that my chips are placed on Burnin`s boards Wink

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Quote from: geopolisch on May 02, 2013, 07:16:55 PM

Quote from: Newscastix on April 30, 2013, 08:52:40 AM

Quote from: FlappySocks on April 30, 2013, 08:39:35 AM

Also think of those people different time zones, who wont get to see the ordering announcement until several hours after everyone else. Randomising it is a fairer system.

It should be in the order the chips come in. Why would anyone in the first batch of chips have to wait to get his board manufactured after someone in the last batches of chips gets his? Huh

Makes no sense...

There are 10000 chips in one batch. If burnin production is as high as 1000 x 10 per day then there is no problem. But if it is lower, then how to order the chips that come all together?

What we were discussing is that doing that on a first-registered-fist-served basis might not be the best way, as:

- will the email account/registration server get flooded?
- if the opening date & time is not posted well in advance, would it be fair with people who are sleeping at the moment or who fail to read the post on time?

Opening a registering window, and within that window, creating a random order, solves those problems. Of course, that order would only be applied to order chips reaching burnin at the same time (so probably, within the same batch).

Just an idea.

If everyone in zefir's group purchase sends their order to burnin, that's only about 300 customers. (Maybe even less as I only used payment addresses to count, someone could order from multiple addresses which would lower the count even more). I will assume that not 100% are sending them to burnin.
Yes, there are other group purchases going on, which can complicate things; but I would say that your payment address and it's chain info should queue burnin's order system. If you bought from zefir, your order can be verified and queued based on when it was placed. The only problem I see is "odd" orders of 10 that would be combined to make an "even" 20 double density board, but that is pretty small I think. As far as the other group orders, I'm not sure. Maybe burnin can weigh on on those matters.

I am curious about chip failure/destruction though. Is there an allotment of chips set aside for assembly mishaps?

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Quote from: LiveJay on May 02, 2013, 05:58:18 PM

Even if burnin could put 100+ chips on a board, why would you want him to? Even if you were going to have a large number of chips in use, you know that there will be failures. If not right away over time. Wouldn't you want your system to be a healthy mix of density and scalability? 20 chip boards seems like a real sweet spot. If you have a chip or board fail after a few months you don't want your whole system down while you get it repaired. Better to just pull out the bad board and leave 4 more still running.

I guess if you were going to try and get a whole batch of 10k chips running on your own it might be worth it to look into 100 chip boards. But if you've got that kind of capital in the game then you could probably develop the boards yourself, or contract burnin to do it for you on the side.

I thought that myself but then i thought that such pcb-design at least should be able to manage a chips thats broken. Its not that all chips are working one after another and need the other chips.

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Quote from: Newscastix on April 30, 2013, 08:52:40 AM

Quote from: FlappySocks on April 30, 2013, 08:39:35 AM

Also think of those people different time zones, who wont get to see the ordering announcement until several hours after everyone else. Randomising it is a fairer system.

It should be in the order the chips come in. Why would anyone in the first batch of chips have to wait to get his board manufactured after someone in the last batches of chips gets his? Huh

Makes no sense...

There are 10000 chips in one batch. If burnin production is as high as 1000 x 10 per day then there is no problem. But if it is lower, then how to order the chips that come all together?

What we were discussing is that doing that on a first-registered-fist-served basis might not be the best way, as:

- will the email account/registration server get flooded?
- if the opening date & time is not posted well in advance, would it be fair with people who are sleeping at the moment or who fail to read the post on time?

Opening a registering window, and within that window, creating a random order, solves those problems. Of course, that order would only be applied to order chips reaching burnin at the same time (so probably, within the same batch).

Just an idea.

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Even if burnin could put 100+ chips on a board, why would you want him to? Even if you were going to have a large number of chips in use, you know that there will be failures. If not right away over time. Wouldn't you want your system to be a healthy mix of density and scalability? 20 chip boards seems like a real sweet spot. If you have a chip or board fail after a few months you don't want your whole system down while you get it repaired. Better to just pull out the bad board and leave 4 more still running.

I guess if you were going to try and get a whole batch of 10k chips running on your own it might be worth it to look into 100 chip boards. But if you've got that kind of capital in the game then you could probably develop the boards yourself, or contract burnin to do it for you on the side.

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I would think this 10/20/100 chips per board thing is all up in the air until Avalon release the data.

From what i can work out, Burnin's original design follows Avalon's own ASIC system (10 chips per board, 32 boards per system) - which is no doubt why he chose the design, as it's a fairly safe bet it's going to be straight forward to design and build. When you start adding X chips per board no doubt it gets tricky with controlling them and powering them, and you will enter into an unknown situation. By doing 10 chips on 32 max, he's much more likely to have a working product and ship within the quickest possible time.

See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon - (10 chips per board, 32 boards max in a system)

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I run Linux on my abacus.

I'd actually love to see a larger version of this board with maybe 50-80 chips or so. Looking at the orders in zefir's thread, there's quite a lot of 10 and 20 chip buys, then 100+. It's gonna be quite a few boards with, say, 500 chips Grin

Is there a technical reason why this design couldn't be scaled to greater chip amounts per board?

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Quote from: kostagr33k on May 01, 2013, 04:39:31 PM

So if you wanted to stack these boards is there a good diagram / pic of how it will look like? Secondly not sure if I overlooked it but what would be the best way to power multiple boards ? lets say you wanted to do the full 32 board layout, what should that look like / be powered by?

thanks

kosta

There is a CAD drawing on the first post. That's probably the best you're going to get until the specs and design settle down.

-Jay

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