Topic: World War III and BTC - page 3. (Read 7506 times)
I agree with this view.
I agree with this view.btc will change the world.
I agree with this view.
Also there is a huge difference between a nuclear chain reaction and a bomb so I have no idea why you are even trying to drag that into our conversation.
Wow.
Simply.
Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_chain_reaction
That you would even attempt to claim that a nuclear chain reaction has nothing to do with a nuclear weapon is simply mind boggling.
I don't know where you are from, what your education is or why you persist in exposing your ignorance but please, stop embarrassing yourself. At this point, I really have to consider that I should disengage from this because it is fundamentally unfair to engage in a battle of wits with the witless.
REALLY? no connection between a nuclear chain reaction and a nuclear bomb?
REALLY?
Yeah really. Take that boot out of your ass and tell me what is so scary about a helium nuclei resulting from radioactive decay hitting another atom and triggering another decay. I do not know about you but we did that in basic physics class and I dont remember any mushroom clouds.
It is not the nuclear chain reaction that is the scary part. Its the mass to energy conversion better known as E = MC^2
When will you get this through that thick skull of yours. Perhaps I should make a wikipedia page for you?
I agree with this view.
I agree with this view. btc will change the world.
Also there is a huge difference between a nuclear chain reaction and a bomb so I have no idea why you are even trying to drag that into our conversation.
Wow.
Simply.
Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_chain_reaction
That you would even attempt to claim that a nuclear chain reaction has nothing to do with a nuclear weapon is simply mind boggling.
I don't know where you are from, what your education is or why you persist in exposing your ignorance but please, stop embarrassing yourself. At this point, I really have to consider that I should disengage from this because it is fundamentally unfair to engage in a battle of wits with the witless.
REALLY? no connection between a nuclear chain reaction and a nuclear bomb?
REALLY?
Am I really wrong?
YesWho predicted the (destructive) energy of fission? Who was the person that warned the allies and pushed them to start the Manhattan project?
Leó Szilárdhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3_Szil%C3%A1rd
" He conceived the nuclear chain reaction in 1933, patented the idea of a nuclear reactor with Enrico Fermi, and in late 1939 wrote the letter for Albert Einstein's signature that resulted in the Manhattan Project that built the atomic bomb. "
Who was it that created the physics used to create the nuke and who gave it the signature?
Ernest Rutherford aka "Father of Nuclear Physics"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_physics
I recommend you learn about Henri Becquerel, J. J. Thomason, Atto Hahn, James Chadwick an Marie Curie. Once you have gained this foundation, please proceed on to Ernest Rutherford, Hans Geiger and Ernest Marsden. From there James Chadwick, Walther Bothe, Herbert L. Becker, Irène and Frédéric Joliot-Curie would be good to add to your knowledge base. Beyond them, you should learn about Alexandru Proca and Hideki Yukawa.
He might not have been there with a monkey wrench but without Albert Einstein there would have been no Nuke to stop WW2. Everyone else is unimportant in that they could be replaced with someone else without much difference to the end result. If you want to dispute this go ahead, dig your hole deeper and deeper.
It is good to know that you believe it was all Einstein, all the time. That belief does not make it so.
The fact of the matter is "Einstein did not work on the Manhattan Project, the project to develop atomic bombs, because General Leslie Groves considered him to be a security risk because of his pacifist leanings, so he was assigned to work on improving conventional artillery for the U.S. Navy. Einstein had no knowledge of the atomic bomb's manufacturing, and no influence on the decision for the bomb to be dropped.[2]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Szil%C3%A1rd_letter#cite_note-2
The real irony here is I can refute each of your statements will simple searches of _wikipedia_. Are you sure you are not a graduate of the US education system? Your knowledge level is on par with some of the dumbacrats that get liberal art "degrees" from various US colleges.
I kind of find it insulting that you think I am from America. I wonder if that is wrong of me?
Only if you don't want our ICBMs & stealth bombers to bring freedom & democracy to your unenlightened country.
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No worries, it's fine, just make sure to stock the pantry -- we'll make ourselves at home.
In that case your human rights are not being violated, carry on.
I kind of find it insulting that you think I am from America. I wonder if that is wrong of me?
Only if you don't want our ICBMs & stealth bombers to bring freedom & democracy to your unenlightened country.
[...]
No worries, it's fine, just make sure to stock the pantry -- we'll make ourselves at home.
I kind of find it insulting that you think I am from America. I wonder if that is wrong of me?
Only if you don't want our ICBMs & stealth bombers to bring freedom & democracy to your unenlightened country.
[...]
No worries, it's fine, just make sure to stock the pantry -- we'll make ourselves at home.
I kind of find it insulting that you think I am from America. I wonder if that is wrong of me?
Only if you don't want our ICBMs & stealth bombers to bring freedom & democracy to your unenlightened country.
I see.
You are shown to be wrong on your "father of the nuke" claim with references to the two men who _are_ the father of the atom bomb and nuclear reactor respectively.
You are provided a quote by Albert Einstein which demonstrates HIS understanding of the great effort needed to move from theory to practice, yet you profess it was simply some mechanics playing with monkey wrenches.
You seem to be convinced that if you stand there and claim you are right, it will become true.
Do you wonder why I think you are a product of a US high school?
I figured anyone that ignorant of facts had to be a victim of the US education system since we have been informed in the very thread that everything evil, bad and wrong comes from the US. Now you are going to tell me there is a place worse than the US? That won't be well received around here.
Am I really wrong? Who predicted the (destructive) energy of fission? Who was the person that warned the allies and pushed them to start the Manhattan project? Who was it that created the physics used to create the nuke and who gave it the signature? He might not have been there with a monkey wrench but without Albert Einstein there would have been no Nuke to stop WW2. Everyone else is unimportant in that they could be replaced with someone else without much difference to the end result. If you want to dispute this go ahead, dig your hole deeper and deeper.
I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.
I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.
Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?
To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article. When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
Do a word search for Albert and you will find that they got his singature as support to even start the project. Its under the fucking "origins" for crying out loud. Ever heard of E=MC^2? Yeah... He is the father of Fission (manhattan project and beyond) and Fusion (the next generation of nuclear power plants) and the person that bound the world of energy to the world of matter. He is the single most important person in the invention of the Nuke. How more clear do i have to be?
Amazing. All that emotion and yet not any clear understanding of the question much less an accurate answer. ALL that he did was sign a letter, written by someone else.
The Manhattan Project was not done when the ink dried on AE's signature. To credit AE with building the atomic bomb ignores a vast amount of work that was done to move from theory to practice. Perhaps you have heard of the man who provides us this quote:
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” ― Albert Einstein
So which isotope separation scheme did AE develop? Which bomb design did he work on? How many times did he visit Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, or even Alamogordo?
What? The "Father of the Atom Bomb" some dude named J. Robert Oppenheimer??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer
WTF dude, how did that happen?
BTW, who is this dude Enrico Fermi? He seems to have gotten his name down for "Father of the nuclear reactor."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
Looks like that second rate education they pass out in US high schools glossed over a few pertinent facts.
Speaking of which you mentioned something about not understanding the question. Did it ever strike your mind that perhaps you did not understand my answer?
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” If all he had to do was sign a letter why did it have to be Albert Einstein? It was not the act of signing the letter which was important but his signing that it was possible.
You asked me what role he played. He was the one that gave them the idea and showed them how. You mentioned something about the large amount of work involved in developing the nuke and its true... Allot of GRUNT work. What they did was nothing really spectacular just something that had to be done at some point or another. You cant pretend that it required a genius to work from where Albert Einstein and those who came after him had left off.
You know what else? Albert Einstine was even the guy that warned the allies that Germany might develop a nuke and suggested that they would start a similar program.. Which became the manhattan project. Good job on making yourself out to be a fool.
I see.
You are shown to be wrong on your "father of the nuke" claim with references to the two men who _are_ the father of the atom bomb and nuclear reactor respectively.
You are provided a quote by Albert Einstein which demonstrates HIS understanding of the great effort needed to move from theory to practice, yet you profess it was simply some mechanics playing with monkey wrenches.
You seem to be convinced that if you stand there and claim you are right, it will become true.
Do you wonder why I think you are a product of a US high school?
I figured anyone that ignorant of facts had to be a victim of the US education system since we have been informed in the very thread that everything evil, bad and wrong comes from the US. Now you are going to tell me there is a place worse than the US? That won't be well received around here.
I kind of find it insulting that you think I am from America. I wonder if that is wrong of me?
Only if you don't want our ICBMs & stealth bombers to bring freedom & democracy to your unenlightened country.
I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.
I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.
Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?
To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article. When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
Do a word search for Albert and you will find that they got his singature as support to even start the project. Its under the fucking "origins" for crying out loud. Ever heard of E=MC^2? Yeah... He is the father of Fission (manhattan project and beyond) and Fusion (the next generation of nuclear power plants) and the person that bound the world of energy to the world of matter. He is the single most important person in the invention of the Nuke. How more clear do i have to be?
Amazing. All that emotion and yet not any clear understanding of the question much less an accurate answer. ALL that he did was sign a letter, written by someone else.
The Manhattan Project was not done when the ink dried on AE's signature. To credit AE with building the atomic bomb ignores a vast amount of work that was done to move from theory to practice. Perhaps you have heard of the man who provides us this quote:
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” ― Albert Einstein
So which isotope separation scheme did AE develop? Which bomb design did he work on? How many times did he visit Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, or even Alamogordo?
What? The "Father of the Atom Bomb" some dude named J. Robert Oppenheimer??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer
WTF dude, how did that happen?
BTW, who is this dude Enrico Fermi? He seems to have gotten his name down for "Father of the nuclear reactor."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
Looks like that second rate education they pass out in US high schools glossed over a few pertinent facts.
Speaking of which you mentioned something about not understanding the question. Did it ever strike your mind that perhaps you did not understand my answer?
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” If all he had to do was sign a letter why did it have to be Albert Einstein? It was not the act of signing the letter which was important but his signing that it was possible.
You asked me what role he played. He was the one that gave them the idea and showed them how. You mentioned something about the large amount of work involved in developing the nuke and its true... Allot of GRUNT work. What they did was nothing really spectacular just something that had to be done at some point or another. You cant pretend that it required a genius to work from where Albert Einstein and those who came after him had left off.
You know what else? Albert Einstine was even the guy that warned the allies that Germany might develop a nuke and suggested that they would start a similar program.. Which became the manhattan project. Good job on making yourself out to be a fool.
I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.
I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.
Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?
To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article. When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
Do a word search for Albert and you will find that they got his singature as support to even start the project. Its under the fucking "origins" for crying out loud. Ever heard of E=MC^2? Yeah... He is the father of Fission (manhattan project and beyond) and Fusion (the next generation of nuclear power plants) and the person that bound the world of energy to the world of matter. He is the single most important person in the invention of the Nuke. How more clear do i have to be?
Amazing. All that emotion and yet not any clear understanding of the question much less an accurate answer. ALL that he did was sign a letter, written by someone else.
The Manhattan Project was not done when the ink dried on AE's signature. To credit AE with building the atomic bomb ignores a vast amount of work that was done to move from theory to practice. Perhaps you have heard of the man who provides us this quote:
“In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” ― Albert Einstein
So which isotope separation scheme did AE develop? Which bomb design did he work on? How many times did he visit Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, or even Alamogordo?
What? The "Father of the Atom Bomb" some dude named J. Robert Oppenheimer??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer
WTF dude, how did that happen?
BTW, who is this dude Enrico Fermi? He seems to have gotten his name down for "Father of the nuclear reactor."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
Looks like that second rate education they pass out in US high schools glossed over a few pertinent facts.
That 40 years was actually an incredibly productive time, though it doesn't prove you wrong -- there was that *other big war*.
Hehe you got me there and what can i say? Everything is relative.
It's not as obvious as you make it seem, just like it isn't obvious that the man who discovered the wheel is the father of automotive industry. "Nuclear fission of heavy elements was discovered in 1938 by Lise Meitner, Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, and Otto Robert Frisch." -wikip, Fermi set up the first "reactor" at UC in '42. Einstein's role at this point was mainly political, he was the Big Cheese in the field, and his letter in support of developing a nuclear weapon was prompted by Germany's nuclear weapons research. His warning made the threat more viable, that's all.
If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
Well the thing that I am trying to say is while the development of a nuclear reactor is kind of "scientific grunt work" since the theories and speculations had already been made. All they needed was to put the pieces together and make it work more or less.If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
What Albert did however with discovering E=MC^2 was a revolutionary way of thinking. Putting the importance it has on everything else aside it told of unimaginable quantities of energy that could be unleashed from matter. It was not that radioactivity divided atoms but that it could produce scary amounts of energy. Without this breakthrough in thinking it would take years or perhaps decades until we would get there with ordinary science. Albert Einstine could singlehandedly be responsible for the Manhattan project not starting this year instead of back during WW2.
I'm not disputing Einstein's brilliance, and E=mc2 is certainly a neat package. The only thing we don't agree on is the matter of degree. It's not something i can logically argue, just a matter of opinion.
For instance, i agree with this:
"E = mc2 has sometimes been used as an explanation for the origin of energy in nuclear processes, but mass–energy equivalence does not explain the origin of such energies. Instead, this relationship merely indicates that the large amounts of energy released in such reactions may exhibit enough mass that the mass-loss may be measured, when the released energy (and its mass) have been removed from the system." -- wikip again, sorry 'bout that, it's just so darn handy.
Einstein came up with that relationship way back in 1905, almost 40 years before things started jumping -- another thing to consider. But i don't even think we disagree. Just semantics.
Its funny how people think E=MC^2 is only limited to nukes and reactors. (while its off topic) If you ask me the most important thing it achieved was to get one major step closer to a unified theory of everything.
They always said war is the mother of all inventions. Before the war science was actually quite slow so 40 year old tech was still considered fairly new. Its during and right after the war that the explosion of inventions and discoveries took place. In a way WW2 catapulted the world into the year 2000.
That 40 years was actually an incredibly productive time, though it doesn't prove you wrong -- there was that *other big war*.
It's not as obvious as you make it seem, just like it isn't obvious that the man who discovered the wheel is the father of automotive industry. "Nuclear fission of heavy elements was discovered in 1938 by Lise Meitner, Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, and Otto Robert Frisch." -wikip, Fermi set up the first "reactor" at UC in '42. Einstein's role at this point was mainly political, he was the Big Cheese in the field, and his letter in support of developing a nuclear weapon was prompted by Germany's nuclear weapons research. His warning made the threat more viable, that's all.
If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
Well the thing that I am trying to say is while the development of a nuclear reactor is kind of "scientific grunt work" since the theories and speculations had already been made. All they needed was to put the pieces together and make it work more or less.If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
What Albert did however with discovering E=MC^2 was a revolutionary way of thinking. Putting the importance it has on everything else aside it told of unimaginable quantities of energy that could be unleashed from matter. It was not that radioactivity divided atoms but that it could produce scary amounts of energy. Without this breakthrough in thinking it would take years or perhaps decades until we would get there with ordinary science. Albert Einstine could singlehandedly be responsible for the Manhattan project not starting this year instead of back during WW2.
I'm not disputing Einstein's brilliance, and E=mc2 is certainly a neat package. The only thing we don't agree on is the matter of degree. It's not something i can logically argue, just a matter of opinion.
For instance, i agree with this:
"E = mc2 has sometimes been used as an explanation for the origin of energy in nuclear processes, but mass–energy equivalence does not explain the origin of such energies. Instead, this relationship merely indicates that the large amounts of energy released in such reactions may exhibit enough mass that the mass-loss may be measured, when the released energy (and its mass) have been removed from the system." -- wikip again, sorry 'bout that, it's just so darn handy.
Einstein came up with that relationship way back in 1905, almost 40 years before things started jumping -- another thing to consider. But i don't even think we disagree. Just semantics.
Its funny how people think E=MC^2 is only limited to nukes and reactors. (while its off topic) If you ask me the most important thing it achieved was to get one major step closer to a unified theory of everything.
They always said war is the mother of all inventions. Before the war science was actually quite slow so 40 year old tech was still considered fairly new. Its during and right after the war that the explosion of inventions and discoveries took place. In a way WW2 catapulted the world into the year 2000.
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