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June 08, 2013, 07:51:45 AM
The United States can't afford a full scale assault on either China or Russia. They don't seem to have enough resources even to invade Iran which is a much easier target.

US needs exactly $0 to turn either China or Russia into molten glass.  She already has the nukes, it's just a question of key-fiddling & button-pushin'.  The reason it's not on the agenda is neither $$$ nor the inherent decency of peace-loving Americans.  US is simply a bit put off by the prospect of being turned into molten glass herself.   Cheesy
The amount of money they spend on military is immense. They spend to protect, not to start nuking other countries and start a war that'll force the Earth into a nuclear winter.

I'm not disputing that.  Just pointing out that claiming "US can't [financially] afford to start a war" is ludicrous.
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June 08, 2013, 07:42:36 AM
The United States can't afford a full scale assault on either China or Russia. They don't seem to have enough resources even to invade Iran which is a much easier target.

US needs exactly $0 to turn either China or Russia into molten glass.  She already has the nukes, it's just a question of key-fiddling & button-pushin'.  The reason it's not on the agenda is neither $$$ nor the inherent decency of peace-loving Americans.  US is simply a bit put off by the prospect of being turned into molten glass herself.   Cheesy
The amount of money they spend on military is immense. They spend to protect, not to start nuking other countries and start a war that'll force the Earth into a nuclear winter.
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June 08, 2013, 07:38:51 AM
The United States can't afford a full scale assault on either China or Russia. They don't seem to have enough resources even to invade Iran which is a much easier target.

US needs exactly $0 to turn either China or Russia into molten glass.  She already has the nukes, it's just a question of key-fiddling & button-pushin'.  The reason it's not on the agenda is neither $$$ nor the inherent decency of peace-loving Americans.  US is simply a bit put off by the prospect of being turned into molten glass herself.   Cheesy
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June 08, 2013, 07:33:07 AM
If the US wanted to go to war with Russia and China (to "liberate the people and bring democracy" of course) they would have to borrow insane amounts of money (because war is very expensive). And guess who the biggest creditor is to the US? Right: China. Grin

Just to sum up, you're saying that US can't afford to start a war with China without borrowing "insane amounts of money" from China?  Which China is unlikely to lend to US 'coz US is such a deadbeat?

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So instead the Fed would have to print even bigger piles of dollars to finance the war. Which would crash the US economy before any American soldiers set foot on Russian and Chinese soil.

Here's the funny bit:  If you assume US is currently responsible for her debt to China, printing boatloads of $$$ is perfectly reasonable to fund that war:  After all, if China is defeated, US will be debt-free! Cheesy +1 for enlightened agression Shocked
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June 08, 2013, 07:20:22 AM
The United States can't afford a full scale assault on either China or Russia. They don't seem to have enough resources even to invade Iran which is a much easier target.
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June 08, 2013, 07:18:53 AM
It's not as obvious as you make it seem, just like it isn't obvious that the man who discovered the wheel is the father of automotive industry.  "Nuclear fission of heavy elements was discovered in 1938 by Lise Meitner, Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, and Otto Robert Frisch." -wikip, Fermi set up the first "reactor" at UC in '42.  Einstein's role at this point was mainly political, he was the Big Cheese in the field, and his letter in support of developing a nuclear weapon was prompted by Germany's nuclear weapons research.  His warning made the threat more viable, that's all.  
If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
Well the thing that I am trying to say is while the development of a nuclear reactor is kind of "scientific grunt work" since the theories and speculations had already been made. All they needed was to put the pieces together and make it work more or less.

What Albert did however with discovering E=MC^2 was a revolutionary way of thinking. Putting the importance it has on everything else aside it told of unimaginable quantities of energy that could be unleashed from matter. It was not that radioactivity divided atoms but that it could produce scary amounts of energy. Without this breakthrough in thinking it would take years or perhaps decades until we would get there with ordinary science. Albert Einstine could singlehandedly be responsible for the Manhattan project not starting this year instead of back during WW2.

I'm not disputing Einstein's brilliance, and E=mc2 is certainly a neat package.  The only thing we don't agree on is the matter of degree.  It's not something i can logically argue, just a matter of opinion.

For instance, i agree with this:
"E = mc2 has sometimes been used as an explanation for the origin of energy in nuclear processes, but mass–energy equivalence does not explain the origin of such energies. Instead, this relationship merely indicates that the large amounts of energy released in such reactions may exhibit enough mass that the mass-loss may be measured, when the released energy (and its mass) have been removed from the system." -- wikip again, sorry 'bout that, it's just so darn handy.

Einstein came up with that relationship way back in 1905, almost 40 years before things started jumping -- another thing to consider.  But i don't even think we disagree.  Just semantics.
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June 08, 2013, 07:14:20 AM
If the US wanted to go to war with Russia and China (to "liberate the people and bring democracy" of course) they would have to borrow insane amounts of money (because war is very expensive). And guess who the biggest creditor is to the US? Right: China. Grin

So instead the Fed would have to print even bigger piles of dollars to finance the war. Which would crash the US economy before any American soldiers set foot on Russian and Chinese soil.
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June 08, 2013, 06:24:53 AM
It's not as obvious as you make it seem, just like it isn't obvious that the man who discovered the wheel is the father of automotive industry.  "Nuclear fission of heavy elements was discovered in 1938 by Lise Meitner, Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, and Otto Robert Frisch." -wikip, Fermi set up the first "reactor" at UC in '42.  Einstein's role at this point was mainly political, he was the Big Cheese in the field, and his letter in support of developing a nuclear weapon was prompted by Germany's nuclear weapons research.  His warning made the threat more viable, that's all.  
If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
Well the thing that I am trying to say is while the development of a nuclear reactor is kind of "scientific grunt work" since the theories and speculations had already been made. All they needed was to put the pieces together and make it work more or less.

What Albert did however with discovering E=MC^2 was a revolutionary way of thinking. Putting the importance it has on everything else aside it told of unimaginable quantities of energy that could be unleashed from matter. It was not that radioactivity divided atoms but that it could produce scary amounts of energy. Without this breakthrough in thinking it would take years or perhaps decades until we would get there with ordinary science. Albert Einstine could singlehandedly be responsible for the Manhattan project not starting this year instead of back during WW2.
I bet Bitcoins will become the world wide currency, after the apocalypse of course.
This isn't a bad idea.
Yes it would be. A world wide currency has to be designed to be a world wide currency. Just because bitcoin or Euro works in a certain situation does not mean that simply up scaling it will be okey. If you want to have a truly good world wide currency it has to be specifically designed for that purpose.
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June 08, 2013, 05:45:45 AM
I bet Bitcoins will become the world wide currency, after the apocalypse of course.
This isn't a bad idea.
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June 08, 2013, 05:13:42 AM

I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.


I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.

Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?

To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article.  When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

Do a word search for Albert and you will find that they got his singature as support to even start the project. Its under the fucking "origins" for crying out loud. Ever heard of E=MC^2? Yeah... He is the father of Fission (manhattan project and beyond) and Fusion (the next generation of nuclear power plants) and the person that bound the world of energy to the world of matter. He is the single most important person in the invention of the Nuke. How more clear do i have to be?

It's not as obvious as you make it seem, just like it isn't obvious that the man who discovered the wheel is the father of automotive industry.  "Nuclear fission of heavy elements was discovered in 1938 by Lise Meitner, Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, and Otto Robert Frisch." -wikip, Fermi set up the first "reactor" at UC in '42.  Einstein's role at this point was mainly political, he was the Big Cheese in the field, and his letter in support of developing a nuclear weapon was prompted by Germany's nuclear weapons research.  His warning made the threat more viable, that's all. 
If you mean the whole atomic age wouldn't have been possible without the neat formula, i can't argue against that -- a car would be impossible if someone hasn't invented the wheel first.
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June 07, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
.... running to (find a) bunker ...
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June 07, 2013, 08:59:46 PM

I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.


I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.

Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?

To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article.  When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

Do a word search for Albert and you will find that they got his singature as support to even start the project. Its under the fucking "origins" for crying out loud. Ever heard of E=MC^2? Yeah... He is the father of Fission (manhattan project and beyond) and Fusion (the next generation of nuclear power plants) and the person that bound the world of energy to the world of matter. He is the single most important person in the invention of the Nuke. How more clear do i have to be?
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June 07, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
BTC needs the Internet to work properly and has better chances to survive than any particular fiat. WW3 may or may not break all things loose. In the worst case scenario, all fiat and crypto currencies turn into dust together.
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June 07, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
Bitcoins and no internet don't mix.

actually bitcoin could work quite well without internet. probably not if the devs raise the block size too much though.

Bitcoin, or anything but "useful stuff" working well after WW3 is laughable.  Brings images of post-revolution Russian gentry daintily chowing on their pets with silver they couldn't unload. Cheesy
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June 07, 2013, 02:34:28 PM

I would like to draw your attention to a specific man. Albert Einstein. A German and father to Nuclear energy and the Atomic bomb. The Nuclear reactor itself and the components for it was developed all around the world and the first Nuclear power plant was built in Russia. Its clear as day that whatever development America did was not a critical discovery meaning it was going to be rapidly discovered by someone else if America had not gotten to it first. If anything America might have saved a year or two of time and I am being generous here.


I'm not bored enough to deal with the rest of your false statements but I loved the one above.

Perhaps you could detail exactly what role Albert Einstein played in the Manhattan Project?

To make it a little easier for you to answer this question I am providing a link to the wikipedia article.  When you are finished reading that, please continue on to the list of sources and references at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
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June 04, 2013, 08:11:50 AM
WW3 doesn't mean the end of the internet.. The internet is bomb-proof.
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June 04, 2013, 07:04:03 AM
WW3 would presumably be the end of us, so holding BTC is academic
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June 04, 2013, 05:08:44 AM
business as usual.
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One bitcoin to rule them all!
June 04, 2013, 05:03:49 AM
Bitcoins and no internet don't mix.

actually bitcoin could work quite well without internet. probably not if the devs raise the block size too much though.

How???

It would result in several blockchains and double/tripple/quadrupple spending. No-one would know what wallet owns the coins.
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June 04, 2013, 02:36:10 AM
bitcoin needs p2p.  No internet, no bitcoin
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