Would you use a VPN on a casino, even if it is not allowed in their ToS? - page 8.

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Quote from: piebeyb on June 05, 2023, 06:19:05 AM

I've never used a VPN unless I want to access a job site that sometimes requires a VPN to access it, besides that it's also using a free VPN so I don't think it's safe to use on a casino account, let alone one with money in it, even though there are paid VPNs as premium users but still there are casinos that prohibit the use of VPNs, so be careful with that.

Regulations at casinos are usually very strict so they can catch easily if there is cheating being done, for example taking advantage of bonuses by creating multiple accounts using a VPN, for example, sometimes that is also the reason casinos prohibit using VPNs, but you should ask casino service support if it is safe to use them. indeed you want to be an anonymous user, but if it's not allowed you shouldn't do it because by obeying the rules of course we can play safely.

I agree with you, usually, gambling sites are very strict with this rule, I also won't violate gambling sites that prohibit the use of VPNs on their sites, that's a rule they made, why should I fight?

there are many choices of gambling sites that can be used without the help of a VPN, safer and more secure to play there

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

Usually reputed casinos won't lock your accounts and steal your balance for that, except if you are a good sport bettor or if you are "abusing" their bonuses and promotions or if they suspect you to have found a loophole in a game or some tricks to get an advantage over the house. In addition you shouldn't forget that in some countries it's not forbidden for the citizens to play at online casinos while authorities prohibit casinos to let their citizens play there. It means users won't break the laws if they manage to play at those casinos, and casinos won't break the law of those countries if they show they don't let their citizens to play normally there.

While using a VPN can get around geo-restrictions, doing so if it's against the site's terms of service might get complicated. Users would be helpless in the face of account suspension and funds confiscation because they are, technically speaking, at fault.

If you're wondering where casinos stand on this issue, it's true that they won't normally lock accounts without a good reason. It could raise red flags if you're an expert sports bettor or if they think you're trying to take advantage of a loophole. Nonetheless, the attention and money that players generate is what most of them care about.

However, it's important to keep in mind that using VPNs for this purpose falls into a legal limbo. Although users may not suffer legal consequences for their actions in some places, this does not make the practise any less morally ambiguous. Internet users will likely remember your every move, so proceed with caution.

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Quote from: piebeyb on June 05, 2023, 06:19:05 AM

Quote from: Outhue on June 05, 2023, 05:30:11 AM

If you are so sure of your VPN connection security then you can proceed but remember that some online gambling casinos, especially those that have warned users not to use VPN on their websites have their own ways of figuring out that you are using a VPN connection.

Imagine winning some money and the online gambling casino now tell you to pass their verification before they can release your money for you, things could get out of hand if you have already use VPN on the platform before so therefore, I won't advise anyone to use VPN connection on any online gambling platform most especially if they have already warned users not to use VPN connection in their ToS.

This is called breaking the rules and you have automatically given them a reason, in fact a good reason to hold your money and never release it.

I've never used a VPN unless I want to access a job site that sometimes requires a VPN to access it, besides that it's also using a free VPN so I don't think it's safe to use on a casino account, let alone one with money in it, even though there are paid VPNs as premium users but still there are casinos that prohibit the use of VPNs, so be careful with that.

This one too. People are overlooking the fact that there are VPNs that are prone to a lot of security attacks that can easily steal their information without them knowing. Paid VPN services that are trusted by the industry might be safer, but you'll never know when will the attacks come. Not saying that VPNs are insecure, it's just that it's another layer of you putting your trust to another service that they will not screw things up.

Then again, the decision should rest upon the ToS of the gambling platform that you will be playing on. If they allow VPN, go for it; if not, better be safe than sorry.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 01, 2023, 11:52:17 AM

Based on my personal experience, VPN usage mostly effect unverified accounts, so assuming I am travelling to a country where stake is a blocked and I know stake has a free hand for VPN usage, so what I will do is to first get my account verified in my country since all my documents such as IDs are all issued here in my country, then travel and use VPN to play on stake pending till my return into the country.

That's a nice information you got there, I thought it works the other way around. There must be a purpose on why we travel to another country. Usually, it was for business purposes so I think I will just focus on it and avoid playing gambling for a while because it might only affect my performance. We know gambling, if it can't make us happy then the opposite thing is likely to be experienced most especially for the weaker persons.

Plus, there might be local casinos there that your team can hang out with after a successful business deal so why not just enjoy there? Forget about the casino which you have been loyal with for a while. They won't go anywhere.

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Quote from: Outhue on June 05, 2023, 05:30:11 AM

If you are so sure of your VPN connection security then you can proceed but remember that some online gambling casinos, especially those that have warned users not to use VPN on their websites have their own ways of figuring out that you are using a VPN connection.

Imagine winning some money and the online gambling casino now tell you to pass their verification before they can release your money for you, things could get out of hand if you have already use VPN on the platform before so therefore, I won't advise anyone to use VPN connection on any online gambling platform most especially if they have already warned users not to use VPN connection in their ToS.

This is called breaking the rules and you have automatically given them a reason, in fact a good reason to hold your money and never release it.

I've never used a VPN unless I want to access a job site that sometimes requires a VPN to access it, besides that it's also using a free VPN so I don't think it's safe to use on a casino account, let alone one with money in it, even though there are paid VPNs as premium users but still there are casinos that prohibit the use of VPNs, so be careful with that.

Regulations at casinos are usually very strict so they can catch easily if there is cheating being done, for example taking advantage of bonuses by creating multiple accounts using a VPN, for example, sometimes that is also the reason casinos prohibit using VPNs, but you should ask casino service support if it is safe to use them. indeed you want to be an anonymous user, but if it's not allowed you shouldn't do it because by obeying the rules of course we can play safely.

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If you are so sure of your VPN connection security then you can proceed but remember that some online gambling casinos, especially those that have warned users not to use VPN on their websites have their own ways of figuring out that you are using a VPN connection.

Imagine winning some money and the online gambling casino now tell you to pass their verification before they can release your money for you, things could get out of hand if you have already use VPN on the platform before so therefore, I won't advise anyone to use VPN connection on any online gambling platform most especially if they have already warned users not to use VPN connection in their ToS.

This is called breaking the rules and you have automatically given them a reason, in fact a good reason to hold your money and never release it.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

In the rare event that you actually win big, then they would probably use that fact to not pay out.

Not worth it in my opinion.

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Quote from: Jating on June 04, 2023, 03:22:51 PM

I think still goes down as how you are addicted in terms of your gambling activity, the reason why I think of it is because,

a. You know that it is against the casino's ToS, but you still decided to play? reason, you can't control yourself
b. And if ever you won big money and you think you were able to get away, but the fraud department flagged your account

Now, you complain here, saying that this and that casino scammed you, and usually this kind of players who try to circumvent and uses VPN will not tell initially that they have used it and still insists that the casinos should give them their capital + their winnings.

But if you can looked closely, it was due to their addiction that they continue to play despite the violation and they don't it that they have violated but won't admit it.

bottomline, the player should not complain if the casino flagged his account for such reason. it was the risk he took, so should accept the consequences on this matter.
this is why if you read a thread about scam accusation, don't judge the casino outright. check the facts. and most of the time, the player has their fault. if you will comply with the terms of the site, you won't be in trouble.

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Quote from: Hispo on June 04, 2023, 06:38:41 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 04, 2023, 02:37:56 PM

By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

If the IP is fixed, then the papers one is supposed to provide to the casino through the KYC process may need to match those issued in the location, I think?
For example, I could be a citizen from Australia living in Australia but for some reason wanted to access to a casino in disguise of me living in Europe. If the casino staff does not allow VPN or dynamic IP addresses and grow suspect of me, then they may not only request for identity documents but also for further proof of residence or bank statements.

Yup. It's pretty easy to identify where the IP location is (and VPNs usually bade your connections after all to where you want to connect from) so it's pretty easy to match. Even outside of that, comparing IPs used can be a flag as well if done so.

Even if it was Dynamic IP (which is what ISPs usually give out) it's still tied to a country. Who knows, there might also be some system that stores the og ip registration and if it was changed, compares then if country registered is different, flags the account (or maybe the IP itself).

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Quote from: Hispo on June 04, 2023, 06:38:41 PM

Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 04, 2023, 02:37:56 PM

By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

If the IP is fixed, then the papers one is supposed to provide to the casino through the KYC process may need to match those issued in the location, I think?
For example, I could be a citizen from Australia living in Australia but for some reason wanted to access to a casino in disguise of me living in Europe. If the casino staff does not allow VPN or dynamic IP addresses and grow suspect of me, then they may not only request for identity documents but also for further proof of residence or bank statements.

In the end, it is just better to stick to the rules of the casinos and save ourselves from having a bad time with out money. Roll Eyes

Most of us do not have a fixed IP. Whenever we connect to an ISP or broadband connection we are provided with a dynamic IP however that IP does reflect our country location. The casino will detect if you are connecting from a location which is allowed by the gambling site or connected by a location prohibited by the gambling location.

Sometimes, we are living is a country where the gambling site allows their services but as soon as we connect to a VPN, our location may change and all of sudden the gambling site may think that we are connected from prohibited location and may ban our accounts. We should be careful in selecting VPN or in most case, not using VPN may be a better option.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 04, 2023, 02:37:56 PM

By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

If the IP is fixed, then the papers one is supposed to provide to the casino through the KYC process may need to match those issued in the location, I think?
For example, I could be a citizen from Australia living in Australia but for some reason wanted to access to a casino in disguise of me living in Europe. If the casino staff does not allow VPN or dynamic IP addresses and grow suspect of me, then they may not only request for identity documents but also for further proof of residence or bank statements.

In the end, it is just better to stick to the rules of the casinos and save ourselves from having a bad time with out money. Roll Eyes

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I think still goes down as how you are addicted in terms of your gambling activity, the reason why I think of it is because,

a. You know that it is against the casino's ToS, but you still decided to play? reason, you can't control yourself
b. And if ever you won big money and you think you were able to get away, but the fraud department flagged your account

Now, you complain here, saying that this and that casino scammed you, and usually this kind of players who try to circumvent and uses VPN will not tell initially that they have used it and still insists that the casinos should give them their capital + their winnings.

But if you can looked closely, it was due to their addiction that they continue to play despite the violation and they don't it that they have violated but won't admit it.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on June 04, 2023, 02:37:56 PM

By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

Each system always has maintenance and updates to new features, so I can't be sure gambling sites can't track VPN users even if you use a personal VPN from purchase. Your important point is that you understand the TOS of gambling sites, if the rules for prohibiting VPN users have been explained but you ignore the rules and still use VPN then you are prepared to accept the risk, the team will freeze gambling accounts for violating the TOS rules.

So before you make a mistake, you have to be careful about making that decision, many cases of violations on gambling sites have been reported and they complained because the team did not respond to their statements, the team may not tolerate any violations if you ignore the TOS rules and so be careful.

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Quote from: Aikidoka on June 03, 2023, 10:13:59 AM

If there's no risk involved when you use a VPN then it's fine. However, if using a VPN violates the ToS, it's better not to use it as it could potentially lead to your account being locked,

Finding out the stance of the casino on the use of VPN from their ToS will help you decide whether to gamble on these casinos or not. To avoid issues in the future, you can simply make this enquiry before you make them your choice to gamble on. Before you use a casino, you should know what can cause you problems if you violate, and then avoid it. If a casino does not allow VPN, you better don't just play there if you are not comfortable with that term.

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By the way, is a VPN always demonstrable? Would it also be possible to use a VPN without a gambling site finding out? For example, I know at Cyberghost that you can buy your own IP address, so that means that you are the only one who can use an IP address and that it has not been used by anyone else from Cyberghost's customer base. But a VPN is of course in a certain range, so it is suspicious and some sites will do anything to avoid having to pay.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on June 03, 2023, 11:58:30 AM

Quote from: Aikidoka on June 03, 2023, 10:13:59 AM

If there's no risk involved when you use a VPN then it's fine. However, if using a VPN violates the ToS, it's better not to use it as it could potentially lead to your account being locked, and in some cases even worse consequences.

Casino typically don’t ban the use VPN if it’s not being use to avoid country restrictions or to have multiple account for promotion abused. Some casino mention specifically the restriction of VPN but their main goal here to discourage those players from restricted country to play in the casino. I think your account will be safe if you live on country that allowed to play in casino even you use VPN because I always use VPN when I’m gambling because I have premium subscription.

I agree if the casino identify the restriction of the use of VPN is for the people who are in the restricted area since using VPN circumvent the restriction, any one who is not on the restricted area can use VPN at their heart content but, if there is no declaration about such kind of situation ,there is a huge possibility that the casino will block the account.

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Quote from: Aikidoka on June 03, 2023, 10:13:59 AM

If there is no information in the FAQ regarding the use of VPNs on the casino site it would be better to contact them and ask if VPN usage is allowed. This is especially important if you have no access to the website while you're in a different country!

They usually respond within a few days, so in my opinion this is the best thing that you could do.

Casino already have a live support which can give an answer to your inquiry within a few minutes of waiting. I think you are using email support most of the time and don’t use the live support.

The answer from email support does not take that long , I often use mail to inquire something and the answer is almost in an instant.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

Usually reputed casinos won't lock your accounts and steal your balance for that, except if you are a good sport bettor or if you are "abusing" their bonuses and promotions or if they suspect you to have found a loophole in a game or some tricks to get an advantage over the house. In addition you shouldn't forget that in some countries it's not forbidden for the citizens to play at online casinos while authorities prohibit casinos to let their citizens play there. It means users won't break the laws if they manage to play at those casinos, and casinos won't break the law of those countries if they show they don't let their citizens to play normally there.

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Often the terms and conditions do not specifically say anything about a VPN, but they do refer to it in indirect ways. Then it simply says that you are not allowed to play with multiple players via the same IP address. This is basically the same as using a VPN. I think there are secretly still players who use a VPN. what should you do differently if you would like to gamble in a country where it is actually not allowed? Then the choices become quite limited of course and you have to make a choice. Of course, it can also go well for a while if you start gambling with a VPN.

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Of course not, why do I need to break the rule just for me to play in that casino? there is a lot of casinos everywhere in which I can play. Not following their rule will only give me problem in the future so better not to risk and try things that are not approve in ToS, and above all ToS should be read first in order for us not to abide all rules and will not cause issues in the future.

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Quote from: retreat on June 03, 2023, 12:20:45 PM

There are several reasons people use a VPN when playing at online casinos, the most common reason is because in their country most online gambling sites are blocked and they need a VPN to be able to access these gambling sites. I personally use a VPN to access gambling sites through my browser and fortunately the ToS on my gambling platform they say not prohibit their users to use VPN, only that they require KYC to do WD. It's pretty annoying, but I'm okay with that because I can get around it LOL.

Since the usage of VPN is allowed in the gambling site you are using then there is no issue there, but assuming yours falls under those that don't allow the use of VPN would you still use it?

It's commone sense to always seek out what best suites you and as soon as you start forcing things that are not meant for you to start working for you then you're bound to have some repercussions, same with the casino if you start to force a casino that don't allow it's usage in your country to start working with the use of VPN then it means you're ready for the consequences that follows and one thing I have noticed is that once the casino finds out your behaviour the will wait for you to make some deposit before they block your account.

I've never heard of what you said at the end, that a casino that suspects you are going against their terms of services will wait until you make a deposit and then they will block your account, that is totally wrong if casinos really do that. If they already know that I've done a mistake and I won't be allowed to use their platform anymore, they should simply let me know and don't allow me to make any deposits.

I think some of the big and reputable casino platforms allow using VPN, and when you have an issue like you're out of the country or something similar, you should simply ask their support through email about it and if they say that you can use a VPN to access the platform, then you should face no issues.

Believe it or not, that may be happening even until now. It's a douche move but it's something that a casino can do if they are trying to be extra stingy about the situation. Not every casino does this, but those who do are sure to have the name of their platform plastered across the forum for doing such shitty service against the users of their platform.

If you know that there are things that you are doing that are basically against the casinos rule, better stay away from it for a while before you deposit again because you'll never know.

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