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Quote from: QueenVera on June 12, 2023, 05:32:13 AM

The best thing to do is avoiding VPN use except in cases where it is inevitable.

The bettors who are playing in countries where casinos are not banned then they don't have good reason to use VPN because if you do, you are by implication hidding something from those in authority. I also won't suggest that bettors use VPN when they are in jurisdiction that have not banned cryptocurrency and stick to their rules in ToS because I believe if casino is not rejecting your registration, you don't need to use VPU .

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 25, 2023, 11:10:31 AM

A lot of the new casinos are doing that... because they use that as a tool to reduce payments to people that win large amounts. They will not do anything to you, when you gamble through a VPN, but the moment when you win big... they start digging and then suddenly VPN use are used as an excuse not to honor the withdrawal.

There are currently someone in Australia that are planning to take Eddie from Stake.com to court.. over VPN usage. He or she was gambling from Australia.. where it is illegal and after he or she lost a large amount of money.. he or she decided to use Eddie as an excuse for them using a VPN. (Eddie are from Australia and he is using a VPN during his weekly streaming sessions) Roll Eyes

A casino cannot do that if they have allowed users to use VPNs on the platform and if they have it mentioned in their terms and conditions, if it isn't available in their terms and conditions, one should of course not use a VPN because that can always go against you no matter how user-friendly a casino is, they will surely use it as an excuse when they feel they should and you better not give them the opportunity to be able to do that with you.

But if a casino specifically mentions in their terms and conditions or somewhere in their platform that the use of VPNs isn't prohibited and users can do it, one should simply take a screenshot and then use a VPN so that if something goes wrong, they should have some proof.

If the gambler doesn't want to have a problem sooner or later, should always stick to what is stated in their ToS.
Because if someone just say that it is fine, but the terms stated otherwise, then, at the end, the owner will refer to their terms.
Hard to trust the assurance over chat, much better to comply with the published terms as that's the official stand of the site.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on June 28, 2023, 01:42:13 AM

You will be lucky to get things sorted out by the team, that is if they decide to consider you, VPN and gambling is a very bad idea, and avoid serving as an example.

The team will definitely solve the problem and consider the problem of using a VPN if he is willing not to repeat it a second time and is willing to say what is the real reason for using a VPN that is clearly prohibited by casinos.
The casino team works well and provides as much satisfactory service as possible to all customers by providing the fairest solution for any problems that occur.
But you need to know that there are also some casinos that allow their customers access by using a VPN.

There are platforms which are considerate and there are ones who would really be sticking out into their rules on which as a user who do commit out such violation would definitely be penalized or facing up consequences
with that which it would really be just that a normal approach or decisions would be making by these companies on which as a violator then you dont have the rights on complaining about their decisions isnt really that right. You've been pretty wary about their terms and conditions (unless you do read it up) that if VPN isnt that allowed or prohibited, then why you would really be forcing out on making use of something
which isnt allowed?
If we do speak about gambling choices or options then we do have tons in the market on which you could choose from.There are really just those people who do really likes on playing on a site
on which it do looks interesting and trying out to bypass if ever there are prohibitions. Grin

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Quote from: nullama on June 18, 2023, 09:34:44 PM

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I don't understand why you can't use a VPN. Casinos should be commended that they can have the option for people to log into their site, so those things are what they should accept, a casino is interested in people and money, nothing else, play that they spend money, that people have fun. , whether they win or lose, that is why I often do not understand why some do not accept the use of VPN, those who do allow the use of VPN I congratulate them.

In online casinos that are Crypto in nature, they should not put these inconveniences, as I said before, they are interested in people entering to play games, and if they win, then they should be paid, not that they say: "as they entered with VPN they did not We will pay" I mean, for God's sake, this is shameless use, but if instead of winning the player loses and then complains, does the casino refund the money they lost? obviously not, then these things must be seen from every point of view to be fairer..

It's not because casinos want to ban vpns, it's basically because different countries have different gambling rules, and the casino is not allowed to serve people from specific countries, where it is illegal to do so.

So, they check their IP to establish the country, and with a VPN that check is useless, so they have to ban VPNs then.

Obviously the casinos in general would be happy to accept anyone from anywhere, but the laws prohibit that.

I understand, but as they say out there, this is crypto, casinos should be a little more irreverent in that sense, I think that someone who uses VPN is precisely because of this problem, and a casino cannot support these policies, I have had experience that in The countries that are prohibited is because their governments have been the worst, and those people need to have fun, have something good for them that they deserve, I think they should give priority to their people and not to a specific government, when sending a person bitcoin he has access to a forbidden country, and it's money, that's what matters.

But I see your point, I know that if a casino is in a country it must abide by its rules, and despite what I say about crypto and everything that has to do with technology, a government can make the casino License break and don't have permission , that's why I think there are many decentralized casinos that can do a lot of good things , but they haven't done enough to pull customers away from the Centralized casinos.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on June 28, 2023, 01:42:13 AM

You will be lucky to get things sorted out by the team, that is if they decide to consider you, VPN and gambling is a very bad idea, and avoid serving as an example.

The team will definitely solve the problem and consider the problem of using a VPN if he is willing not to repeat it a second time and is willing to say what is the real reason for using a VPN that is clearly prohibited by casinos.
The casino team works well and provides as much satisfactory service as possible to all customers by providing the fairest solution for any problems that occur.
But you need to know that there are also some casinos that allow their customers access by using a VPN.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 25, 2023, 11:10:31 AM

A lot of the new casinos are doing that... because they use that as a tool to reduce payments to people that win large amounts. They will not do anything to you, when you gamble through a VPN, but the moment when you win big... they start digging and then suddenly VPN use are used as an excuse not to honor the withdrawal.

There are currently someone in Australia that are planning to take Eddie from Stake.com to court.. over VPN usage. He or she was gambling from Australia.. where it is illegal and after he or she lost a large amount of money.. he or she decided to use Eddie as an excuse for them using a VPN. (Eddie are from Australia and he is using a VPN during his weekly streaming sessions) Roll Eyes

A casino cannot do that if they have allowed users to use VPNs on the platform and if they have it mentioned in their terms and conditions, if it isn't available in their terms and conditions, one should of course not use a VPN because that can always go against you no matter how user-friendly a casino is, they will surely use it as an excuse when they feel they should and you better not give them the opportunity to be able to do that with you.

But if a casino specifically mentions in their terms and conditions or somewhere in their platform that the use of VPNs isn't prohibited and users can do it, one should simply take a screenshot and then use a VPN so that if something goes wrong, they should have some proof.

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Never! I am simply giving the casino every reason to rob me off my money, a smart gambler must stay clean when using any gambling casino, and make sure you don't create any suspicious move on your account by yourself if the casino is fraudulent, they will easily use one of this act to pin you down, even if you call the attention of people, all you will hear is 'why as you using VPN in the first place' like you have something to hide.

It doesn't matter or make a difference if the online casino prohibits the use of VPN or not, don't because an example where you will be forced to ask them where the rules of not using a VPN is, it doesn't matter.

You will be lucky to get things sorted out by the team, that is if they decide to consider you, VPN and gambling is a very bad idea, and avoid serving as an example.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

If it says you can't use it, then you shouldn't use it. You are breaking their terms of services. So they have every right to confiscate your funds. But sadly people will still cry over this saying that the casino "scammed" them. Yes, they get caught when they try to withdraw huge amount, because it is easier to monitor huge withdrawals, then to monitor each and every user if they are using a VPN or not.
If you are travelling to a country were gambling is illegal, then you shouldn't actually be gambling there. Chances of you being in trouble is very less, but still better not take the risk. You can wait till you go back home, no?

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Quote from: Silberman on June 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on June 20, 2023, 11:55:10 PM

This is really sad situation in my opinion. Crypto casinos probably don't even wanna ban vpn usage themselves because many customers want to use them. But just by being legit business they need to obey some rules enforced by different countries to be permitted (or licensed). I think in past times things online, I mean businesses online were pretty much relaxed with such issues. Internet was supposed to be very free. Now its not free at all. Completely regulated.

That's because there are regulations from the government that make casinos add restrictions on using VPNs for their users.
But I think there are still casinos that allow their users to use VPNs but maybe there are other requirements that their members must meet.
And if VPN is banned in the casino, we better not try it or we can get caught by the casino and our account can be blocked.
Government regulations have become more stringent, so users seem to be limited by verification in many businesses.

Even if people do not like it we need to follow the rules of the casinos regarding VPNs, so if they state very clearly that using a VPN is a clear violation to their TOS then we need to accept it, and if for some reason someone finds critical to make use of a VPN while they gamble then they will have no other choice but to find another casino which is more permissive with their policies, however this has its own set of risks as a casino like that most likely lacks a casino license.

There is no excuse for gamblers if the casino has determined that using a VPN is prohibited so if a gambler is caught using a VPN, the casino can do something about it.
We also must not violate the rules in the casino rather than jeopardize our gambling account and get banned from the casino.
If we don't like the casino, we can look for other casinos that allow us to use a VPN to play gambling more freely by hiding our IP.
After all, although many casinos don't allow their users to use VPNs, they still allow their users not to do KYC, which should be our concern.

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Quote from: slapper on June 25, 2023, 03:14:30 PM

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Your input on the potential bending of rules by nascent casinos illuminates the unseen power play in the online gambling sphere. VPN rules, seemingly protective, can have a murkier undertone. Their misuse by casinos, particularly to refuse payouts, is a clear red flag for unwary gamblers.

The legal struggle in Australia underscores this predicament. It reflects the duality of responsibility—gamblers should abide by the rules, and casinos must act with integrity and transparency.

The online gambling world is a minefield of known and unseen risks. This disclosure definitely deepens our comprehension of these risks.

Seems pretty clear to me.

If you live in Australia you are not allowed to gamble in those sites. The casino most certainly has some kind of disclaimer that states that. If the gambler chooses to bypass this by setting up a VPN to show that they are playing from another country, then the responsibility clearly should be on the gambler, not the casino.

The problem is that the money the Australian gambler is paying to the casino to play shouldn't have been received by the casino either, but that's what the gambler did, basically telling the casino they were from another country, which for the casino should be alright.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

You using vpn when gambling and you know its against their TOS is really wrong, the casino can decide to use that against you at any moment and you will be the one to lose. You said gambling is legal in your country but you have to go to another country that gambling is illegal, since you wont be staying their forever, then you should just wait till you return back to your country, or if you cant wait then look for any gambling site which using of vpn is not against their TOS, it will be better than taking unnecessary risk. If you are having enough money in your account they might likely going to block your account if they know you are using vpn and their is nothing you can do about that since its stated in their TOS that vpn is not allowed.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 25, 2023, 11:10:31 AM

Quote from: nullama on June 25, 2023, 10:05:59 AM

Quote from: len01 on June 22, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

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regarding VPN, this is actually quite easy, but sometimes we are too serious to take this problem.

when we want to come to a casino site for the purpose of having fun, of course we will always avoid any risks that make us fail when we want to have fun, such as using a VPN which is risky when something goes wrong and finally the account will be frozen.
after all, there are still lots of casino sites that we can access according to what we want without having to use a VPN which is risky in the long run.
but it all returns to each gambler whether they want to take this risk.

Yeah, it's already so improbable to win big in a casino, why would people want to add more risk to their "investment"?

If you end up winning and you used a VPN, the casino can basically say that they won't pay you and they would be fine to say so. That would suck.

A lot of the new casinos are doing that... because they use that as a tool to reduce payments to people that win large amounts. They will not do anything to you, when you gamble through a VPN, but the moment when you win big... they start digging and then suddenly VPN use are used as an excuse not to honor the withdrawal.

There are currently someone in Australia that are planning to take Eddie from Stake.com to court.. over VPN usage. He or she was gambling from Australia.. where it is illegal and after he or she lost a large amount of money.. he or she decided to use Eddie as an excuse for them using a VPN. (Eddie are from Australia and he is using a VPN during his weekly streaming sessions) Roll Eyes

Your input on the potential bending of rules by nascent casinos illuminates the unseen power play in the online gambling sphere. VPN rules, seemingly protective, can have a murkier undertone. Their misuse by casinos, particularly to refuse payouts, is a clear red flag for unwary gamblers.

The legal struggle in Australia underscores this predicament. It reflects the duality of responsibility—gamblers should abide by the rules, and casinos must act with integrity and transparency.

The online gambling world is a minefield of known and unseen risks. This disclosure definitely deepens our comprehension of these risks.

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Quote from: nullama on June 25, 2023, 10:05:59 AM

Quote from: len01 on June 22, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

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regarding VPN, this is actually quite easy, but sometimes we are too serious to take this problem.

when we want to come to a casino site for the purpose of having fun, of course we will always avoid any risks that make us fail when we want to have fun, such as using a VPN which is risky when something goes wrong and finally the account will be frozen.
after all, there are still lots of casino sites that we can access according to what we want without having to use a VPN which is risky in the long run.
but it all returns to each gambler whether they want to take this risk.

Yeah, it's already so improbable to win big in a casino, why would people want to add more risk to their "investment"?

If you end up winning and you used a VPN, the casino can basically say that they won't pay you and they would be fine to say so. That would suck.

A lot of the new casinos are doing that... because they use that as a tool to reduce payments to people that win large amounts. They will not do anything to you, when you gamble through a VPN, but the moment when you win big... they start digging and then suddenly VPN use are used as an excuse not to honor the withdrawal.

There are currently someone in Australia that are planning to take Eddie from Stake.com to court.. over VPN usage. He or she was gambling from Australia.. where it is illegal and after he or she lost a large amount of money.. he or she decided to use Eddie as an excuse for them using a VPN. (Eddie are from Australia and he is using a VPN during his weekly streaming sessions) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: len01 on June 22, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

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regarding VPN, this is actually quite easy, but sometimes we are too serious to take this problem.

when we want to come to a casino site for the purpose of having fun, of course we will always avoid any risks that make us fail when we want to have fun, such as using a VPN which is risky when something goes wrong and finally the account will be frozen.
after all, there are still lots of casino sites that we can access according to what we want without having to use a VPN which is risky in the long run.
but it all returns to each gambler whether they want to take this risk.

Yeah, it's already so improbable to win big in a casino, why would people want to add more risk to their "investment"?

If you end up winning and you used a VPN, the casino can basically say that they won't pay you and they would be fine to say so. That would suck.

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I don't think big gambling sites are going to check whether a player has used a VPN or not. That doesn't matter for the use of the site, does it? There are several reasons why a player can use a VPN. And there is another element underlying that, if someone uses a VPN for privacy, that is a different reason than someone using a VPN because they are located in a country where gambling is prohibited. Then you should combine this with strict KYC protocols. It remains a dangerous business to use KYC.

There have been many issues in certain sections with gambling sites not wanting to cash out players for using a VPN. I personally think you should have a reason to do this, just saying you used a VPN so we're closing your account would be a very weak statement. But it happens. I don't see the problem with a VPN myself, as long as someone just gets through the KYC procedure and doesn't harm the general terms and conditions in that respect, then it doesn't seem like a problem to me. It is of course the player's own responsibility to read the general terms and conditions.

I agree that the use of a VPN should not be penalized so heavily, after all if most gamblers which want to make a withdrawal have to go through a KYC process then this is not too much of a problem anymore, however it is obvious such strict rules are in place because some casinos do indeed want to make use of that particular rule on their TOS to avoid paying the customers that forget to turn off their VPNs when accessing their website, and as much as such behavior could be badly seen by us, as long as the gambler accepted those conditions there is not much we can do about it.

I think casinos have categories where they penalized the use of VPN such as circumventing the restrictions of the casino. That is a serious offense because the country is blocked and supposed to be not playing in their casino but the hard-headed player because of the urge to gamble he bypasses everything and uses VPN to play even though he is from the restricted country.

If a reputable casino suspends the account, it is sure that the player suspended is cheating or breaking TOS.

I sometimes try to understand why a casino is annoyed that some user uses the VPN to play there, instead of feeling praised because even though they are prohibited from entering for being in a country that is not allowed, they still do so, instead of accept it, because here it doesn't matter where the person is from, it's the player that matters, and I believe that every player is classified as a player and not as from a specific country, or by the color of their skin, race, religion, etc., here it is What matters is that I can play, enjoy, win, lose, the normal thing in a casino, so sometimes I don't understand these things, but hey, each casino , each company has its way of seeing things.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM

Even if people do not like it we need to follow the rules of the casinos regarding VPNs, so if they state very clearly that using a VPN is a clear violation to their TOS then we need to accept it, and if for some reason someone finds critical to make use of a VPN while they gamble then they will have no other choice but to find another casino which is more permissive with their policies, however this has its own set of risks as a casino like that most likely lacks a casino license.

regarding VPN, this is actually quite easy, but sometimes we are too serious to take this problem.

when we want to come to a casino site for the purpose of having fun, of course we will always avoid any risks that make us fail when we want to have fun, such as using a VPN which is risky when something goes wrong and finally the account will be frozen.
after all, there are still lots of casino sites that we can access according to what we want without having to use a VPN which is risky in the long run.
but it all returns to each gambler whether they want to take this risk.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 21, 2023, 01:55:37 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on June 21, 2023, 10:20:13 AM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on June 20, 2023, 11:55:10 PM

This is really sad situation in my opinion. Crypto casinos probably don't even wanna ban vpn usage themselves because many customers want to use them. But just by being legit business they need to obey some rules enforced by different countries to be permitted (or licensed). I think in past times things online, I mean businesses online were pretty much relaxed with such issues. Internet was supposed to be very free. Now its not free at all. Completely regulated.

That's because there are regulations from the government that make casinos add restrictions on using VPNs for their users.
But I think there are still casinos that allow their users to use VPNs but maybe there are other requirements that their members must meet.
And if VPN is banned in the casino, we better not try it or we can get caught by the casino and our account can be blocked.
Government regulations have become more stringent, so users seem to be limited by verification in many businesses.

Even if people do not like it we need to follow the rules of the casinos regarding VPNs, so if they state very clearly that using a VPN is a clear violation to their TOS then we need to accept it, and if for some reason someone finds critical to make use of a VPN while they gamble then they will have no other choice but to find another casino which is more permissive with their policies, however this has its own set of risks as a casino like that most likely lacks a casino license.

Follow or not?

Its up to your own choice and we arent that dumb on not to see those possible consequences on the time that you do read up on which VPN isnt allowed but you do still proceed on making use of it?
You are the ones who do put yourself into trouble. If you are really that hard headed then go ahead and proceed, you might be able to pass or slip into their radar but on the time comes that they would be able to spot you out then there's nothing you can do but to accept your fate since you've been aware that you are violating since from the start. Cheesy

There are casinos which allows and do not allow on making use of VPN, there are certain countries laws which would really be making things like this.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on June 20, 2023, 11:55:10 PM

This is really sad situation in my opinion. Crypto casinos probably don't even wanna ban vpn usage themselves because many customers want to use them. But just by being legit business they need to obey some rules enforced by different countries to be permitted (or licensed). I think in past times things online, I mean businesses online were pretty much relaxed with such issues. Internet was supposed to be very free. Now its not free at all. Completely regulated.

That's because there are regulations from the government that make casinos add restrictions on using VPNs for their users.
But I think there are still casinos that allow their users to use VPNs but maybe there are other requirements that their members must meet.
And if VPN is banned in the casino, we better not try it or we can get caught by the casino and our account can be blocked.
Government regulations have become more stringent, so users seem to be limited by verification in many businesses.

Even if people do not like it we need to follow the rules of the casinos regarding VPNs, so if they state very clearly that using a VPN is a clear violation to their TOS then we need to accept it, and if for some reason someone finds critical to make use of a VPN while they gamble then they will have no other choice but to find another casino which is more permissive with their policies, however this has its own set of risks as a casino like that most likely lacks a casino license.

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Quote from: nullama on June 20, 2023, 09:04:15 PM

Quote from: SamReomo on June 20, 2023, 11:09:23 AM

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If the casino is legit then there is no chance that they will freeze the withdrawals. However, if a casino is doing shady business then the probability of taking such action is 100%, because they will put the blame on the gambler by saying that he/she used a VPN to deposit his/her funds and gambled using that VPN. After that those shady casinos can easily change their T&C without notifying the gamblers. That's the way of those scammers and they will do it even if the users wasn't using any VPN connection. Many of the private VPN connections won't allow the casinos to know that the gambler is using a VPN and they consider the connection as a guanine citizen of the country whose IP was used to connect to the casino.

I don't think that anything is wrong when we use VPN for gambling, and if they don't allow VPN's then something is wrong with them. They might have some strict restrictions and regulations that could make them now allow the use of a VPN connection other than that I don't think they ever need to block or ban VPN connections.

Actually I think the most legit casinos will be the ones enforcing the VPN ban, because there are laws and regulations in different countries that they have to follow.

So, by not being able to determine the origin of the connection of the gambler when a VPN is used, then they cannot provide the service basically.

In some sense, you are correct. Because, if a casino in properly registered in countries like United States or the United Kingdom, then regulators will obviously do not allow casinos to accept gamblers to connect from locations which do not coincide with the KYC documentation submitted at the beginning of the registration.

If a casino allows VPN, then my first thought would be that service is either lacking of proper license or is registered in a very laxing country when comes to gambling.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on June 20, 2023, 11:55:10 PM

This is really sad situation in my opinion. Crypto casinos probably don't even wanna ban vpn usage themselves because many customers want to use them. But just by being legit business they need to obey some rules enforced by different countries to be permitted (or licensed). I think in past times things online, I mean businesses online were pretty much relaxed with such issues. Internet was supposed to be very free. Now its not free at all. Completely regulated.

That's because there are regulations from the government that make casinos add restrictions on using VPNs for their users.
But I think there are still casinos that allow their users to use VPNs but maybe there are other requirements that their members must meet.
And if VPN is banned in the casino, we better not try it or we can get caught by the casino and our account can be blocked.
Government regulations have become more stringent, so users seem to be limited by verification in many businesses.

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