politician can't solve everything.
very few solve anything. 
Topic: WTF are the politicians doing ? - page 3. (Read 7273 times)
How did this devolve into a discussion about religion? ... This reminds me of my last Civ5 game and how ideology/faith points had no impact on my happiness, gold, resource, or productivity levels.
Because everything has to be a flame war.
politician can't solve everything.
Yes. But they have so many of us believing their crap that they are solving their dilemma of how best to enslave us.
politician can't solve everything.
According to the evidence, random does not exist. Random is an idea that people have invented because cause and effect is way to complex and detailed for people to see except in a very small way. This is why it is taking modern science so long to find a method for us to live lives longer than a couple hundred years. The ideas of evolution and the age of the universe are things we don't have a clue about, because the cause and effect behind this stuff is way too complex for us to accurately put together.
Since we understand that there is cause and effect behind everything, and since we understand that there is no random, we can also understand that whatever started the cause and effect, also programmed into us that we would understand cause and effect without random.
Of course, the above is only effective regarding the basic ideas of science methodology. When you consider that science hasn't found the answers to connecting body, life, and conscience, yet, maybe there is some slight randomness in the spirits of man.
Since we understand that there is cause and effect behind everything, and since we understand that there is no random, we can also understand that whatever started the cause and effect, also programmed into us that we would understand cause and effect without random.
Of course, the above is only effective regarding the basic ideas of science methodology. When you consider that science hasn't found the answers to connecting body, life, and conscience, yet, maybe there is some slight randomness in the spirits of man.
To summarize my upthread posts
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What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much...
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What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much...
Nice post! +1
Not everyone needs an organized religion to find God within, but we can thank all of the distractions and obstacles out there as our great teachers. It is always a constraint that we push against in order to propel ourselves onto the next level in our infinite evolution.
...
Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".
Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".
By the way, I liked the blog, though I haven't read all of the links inside yet.
Maybe absolute perfection is only possible when there is a choice for something less perfect?
It's a paradox then, but that's why we are still here, still breathing.
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Subject: RE: My flirtation with Christianity is done; analysis follows...
From: contagion
Date: Thu, December 25, 2014 12:19 am
To: anonymous
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Scientifically everything is connected[1]:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9910747
Edit#2: nothing in this Universe is perfectly random or perfectly independent events, i.e. 100% disorder doesn't exist (2nd Law of Thermo assures us it is globally trending to maximum). This is why Poisson distribution is only an approximation in some limited contexts. What appears to be random is simply entropy that is beyond your frame-of-reference. For example, quantum entanglement and other quantum effects appear to be random, but this is because our frame-of-reference is limited to our observation tools based in the limits of the speed-of-light, Plank's constant, and the Heisenberg effect, i.e. you can't be omniscient in real-time because you can't perceive everything everywhere instantly due to the propagation delay of light (and this is why Armstrong's huge historical database is able to see correlations that seem random to you). As Armstrong has so eloquently summarized it (paraphrased), "that longer-term predictions are more accurate than shorter-term ones".
| [1] | http://unheresy.com/The%20Universe.html#Matter_as_a_continuum http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Knowledge_Anneals |
> Take heart, your grandpa saw the majestic and timeless nuggets of
> wisdom in Christianity. It's there and like pretty much everything else,
> it's a matter of sorting the wheat from the chaff. I've come to better
> appreciate metaphors and allegories in the bible, of course, never falling
> into the trap of taking it literally. Far too many Christians fail to
> recognize the importance of a broader perspective that embraces timeless
> precepts while allowing for refinement and growth. IMO, that's the
> problem with all of the major organized religions and this groupthink is
> greatly exacerbated by the situation of the power elites seizing control
> of organized religion for their own ends rather than allowing religion and
> philosophy to organically evolve and refine itself.
> Recall the insightful letters between Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine
> wherein they strongly made case that of all the world's religions,
> Christianity afforded the most freedom and dignity for mankind. Jefferson
> was a closet agnostic and Paine went further in his skepticism. Paine
> made an important contribution to the concept of inherent rights with his
> Rights of Man.
> In our own era, champions of freedom and critical thinking such as Aaron
> Russo and Bill Cooper made it clear they believed in God (a Divine force)
> yet they wholly rejected organized religion recognizing it as a tool used
> to control the masses. As an intense NWO researcher, I fully recognize
> that a segment of US Christian patriots have been the most astute NWO
> researchers and the most tenaciously opposed to elite enslavement
> irregardless of its seductive qualities. This is why this group has been
> in the power elites' cross hairs more than any other large group. In the
> last year I saw official Agenda 21 documents for the United States and in
> these papers there was a long list of things that were deemed "Not
> Sustainable", on that list was Christianity, this was a fairly recent
> publication. The group of Christians exposing the NWO while also
> rejecting the elites' dark Occult paradigm of the "end justifies the
> means" are the natural allies of truth and freedom activists everywhere.
> Divide and conquer mechanisms make it difficult for us to form a united
> front.
> I believe I once told you I often think about something Steve Jobs once
> said (as you may know, Jobs spent much time studying Buddhism). He said
> he thought the various religions were doors to the same building. An
> excerpt of his biography where I read this is below. I also often think
> about the story of the blind men and the elephant. You know what I mean,
> ? Take heart, your grandpa was onto something. It could very well
> be the men who wrote the bible were inspired by divine wisdom and somehow
> gained insight from a connection to an infinite consciousness. They were
> still blind men, trying to describe something they would never fully
> understand, stymied by the smallness of their minds and the culturally
> rigid eras that formed their culture and knowledge base.
> "He never went back to church. He did, however, spend years studying and
> trying to practice the tenets of Zen Buddhism. Reflecting years later on
> his spiritual feelings, he said that religion was at its best when it
> emphasized spiritual experiences rather than received dogma. "The juice
> goes out of Christianity when it becomes too based on faith rather than on
> living like Jesus or seeing the world as Jesus saw it," he told me. "I
> think different religions are different doors to the same house. Sometimes
> I think the house exists, and sometimes I don't. It's the great mystery."
Atlast i m happy now !!
2 of em hanged !
2 of em hanged !
Upside down.
Atlast i m happy now !!
2 of em hanged !
2 of em hanged !
(apologies continuing the religious topic which was only on topic to the extent that political and religious collectives are argued to be self-serving delusions that can be manipulated by those entrusted with leadership or controlling roles, e.g. the ministers and politicians)
Helping Christians not to be so dogmatic that they throw out the baby with the bathwater might help many billions of people.
Perhaps you will write or minister again in future.
God bless and thank you.
Anonymous wrote to me in email:
> Universal reconciliation - Wikipedia
Helping Christians not to be so dogmatic that they throw out the baby with the bathwater might help many billions of people.
Perhaps you will write or minister again in future.
God bless and thank you.
Anonymous wrote to me in email:
> Universal reconciliation - Wikipedia
so you want to say that for everything politicians are responsible, they are not
To summarize my upthread posts
...
What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much.
But maybe that is just luck. We get lucky to know people like that.
...
What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much.
But maybe that is just luck. We get lucky to know people like that.
Nice post! +1
Not everyone needs an organized religion to find God within, but we can thank all of the distractions and obstacles out there as our great teachers. It is always a constraint that we push against in order to propel ourselves onto the next level in our infinite evolution.
...
Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".
Exact copies of each other so nothing changes, nothing is alive, and nothing exists. Read my exposition of this in my blog essay, "Information Is Alive".
By the way, I liked the blog, though I haven't read all of the links inside yet.
Maybe absolute perfection is only possible when there is a choice for something less perfect?
It's a paradox then, but that's why we are still here, still breathing.
To summarize my upthread posts, I can't imagine a God who punishes to eternity in horrific (gnashing of teeth), burning (fire and brimstone) pain, for sins that the God admits we are born with and can't entirely avoid. Wouldn't a God that loves us want to rehabilitate us instead? I could understand banishing us temporarily in loneliness or something like that, but this eternal disembowelment crap is very Nazi-like. Sounds like the Bible was written by callously (no heart, no forgiveness) deviant minds.
Also God offers us this incredible fear, while for the carrot he only offers us a nebulous warm fuzzy navel of perfection that sounds very boring compared to the diverse life of risks and challenges we have in this imperfect Universe, and doesn't even define precisely (e.g. in the discussion of the church of Philadelphia) what we have to do to be assured of passing through the narrow gate and avoiding the horrific eternal outcome.
The Bible has turned the concept of a soul and an eternal existence into a psychological weapon couched in a nebulous warm fuzzy for those who aren't thinking clearly, because eternity is a long time. The eternal, non-forgiving punishment is for everyone else so let's sweep that aspect under the rug, except when we need to batter non-believers with it.
To top it off, it is entropically impossible for there to be a feedback loop between perfection and this life of incredible diversity, otherwise our diverse entropy here in this Universe can not exist.
The breaking point for me was recently someone I've known since 2007 telling me that Tribulations will begin Sept 23, 2015 and massive death and suffering globally by 2019, which corresponds to Armstrong's (non-religious) computer model of massive global implosion and global pandemic by 2019. I just can't fathom a God that will save 144,000 (or even 144 million) and send the rest of the humanity into eternal excruciating pain with open sores on their body. It sounds too similar to CNN's Ted Turner's Georgia Guidestones' inscription proclaiming to reduce the population to 500 million totalitarian eugenics. I was forced by that challenge to think clearly and make a decision. No more standing with one leg on each side of the fence.
The Bible's psychological profile will appeal to people who do not want to think clearly. Typically they have some psychological handicap which causes them to need this delusion. In my case, I think I was drawn to it because of love of and loyalty to those who subscribed to Christianity, the failure of my marriage, death of my relationship with my father, murder of my only full blooded sibling sister, the loss of vision in my right eye, and then being infected with incurable high strain HPV which lead to the decline in my health. I guess I wanted to believe there was still something to feel positive about in spite of all the failures in my life. But falling into that delusion actually made my behavior worse. Rather than dealing with my depression, I covered it up with a nebulous mayonnaise. It is very important to be proactive about depression and attack it by accomplishing happy and positive actions using clear thinking so we don't just haphazardly wander into self destruction.
Sister and I in 1971 and 1969:
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_Shelby_Nov_1971.jpghttp://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_newborn_Shelby_in_bed_Aug_1969.jpg
(note the lack of smile in 1971 may be because my Dad had left my mom and the USA in 1970 when I was 5 years old)
The underlying psychological need that the Bible fulfills in the need for control. This is why religious groupthink is so dangerous. The believers have turned their minds over and are ready to be manipulated by the right cause, such as the lynchings in the Inquisition. I notice that Bible believers are typically very strongly invested in an order to things and very much against serendipity. Whereas, my grandfather who was the most unselfish man I ever met (the dude would take off his pants in the mall and give them to you if you asked him to), and probably the main reason I tried to accept the Bible because of my admiration of what a better man he was than I am (I love that man, he was my best friend ever), said that Jesus was the rock he stands on when all other things are sinking sand. The concept is so beautiful. After his death, when I got back to the Philippines, I put that "Jesus is my rock" pamphlet from his funeral up on the wall above my computer monitor. Note I did not subscribe to Christianity during his life, and we often discussed my theory that morality was orthogonal to the question of our existence. But a few hours before he died, I thanked him so much for the wonderful times and he asked me to make good my relationship with my father and he said I could never go wrong with Jesus. For the man you love to tell you that on his death bed, how can it not leave an indelible mark.
I think he never thought about the aspects of the Bible I mentioned above. He was pure love. His parents used to give groceries to poor families. He father was a Baptist minister.
There is a lot of truth to the Bible, such as every time I see a poor person begging I am reminded of the verse of the rich man who couldn't enter the narrow gate because he always ignored the beggar. I guess all of us hate that human nature can be so narrow minded and selfish, so we idealistically fall into the trap of an order that promises to punish such. But again no rehabilitation, makes it clear the Bible is totalitarian which is a deviant psychology.
What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much.
But maybe that is just luck. We get lucky to know people like that.
Grandad at sister's college graduation:
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_graduation_and_Granddad.jpg
Also God offers us this incredible fear, while for the carrot he only offers us a nebulous warm fuzzy navel of perfection that sounds very boring compared to the diverse life of risks and challenges we have in this imperfect Universe, and doesn't even define precisely (e.g. in the discussion of the church of Philadelphia) what we have to do to be assured of passing through the narrow gate and avoiding the horrific eternal outcome.
The Bible has turned the concept of a soul and an eternal existence into a psychological weapon couched in a nebulous warm fuzzy for those who aren't thinking clearly, because eternity is a long time. The eternal, non-forgiving punishment is for everyone else so let's sweep that aspect under the rug, except when we need to batter non-believers with it.
To top it off, it is entropically impossible for there to be a feedback loop between perfection and this life of incredible diversity, otherwise our diverse entropy here in this Universe can not exist.
The breaking point for me was recently someone I've known since 2007 telling me that Tribulations will begin Sept 23, 2015 and massive death and suffering globally by 2019, which corresponds to Armstrong's (non-religious) computer model of massive global implosion and global pandemic by 2019. I just can't fathom a God that will save 144,000 (or even 144 million) and send the rest of the humanity into eternal excruciating pain with open sores on their body. It sounds too similar to CNN's Ted Turner's Georgia Guidestones' inscription proclaiming to reduce the population to 500 million totalitarian eugenics. I was forced by that challenge to think clearly and make a decision. No more standing with one leg on each side of the fence.
The Bible's psychological profile will appeal to people who do not want to think clearly. Typically they have some psychological handicap which causes them to need this delusion. In my case, I think I was drawn to it because of love of and loyalty to those who subscribed to Christianity, the failure of my marriage, death of my relationship with my father, murder of my only full blooded sibling sister, the loss of vision in my right eye, and then being infected with incurable high strain HPV which lead to the decline in my health. I guess I wanted to believe there was still something to feel positive about in spite of all the failures in my life. But falling into that delusion actually made my behavior worse. Rather than dealing with my depression, I covered it up with a nebulous mayonnaise. It is very important to be proactive about depression and attack it by accomplishing happy and positive actions using clear thinking so we don't just haphazardly wander into self destruction.
Sister and I in 1971 and 1969:
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_Shelby_Nov_1971.jpghttp://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_newborn_Shelby_in_bed_Aug_1969.jpg
(note the lack of smile in 1971 may be because my Dad had left my mom and the USA in 1970 when I was 5 years old)
The underlying psychological need that the Bible fulfills in the need for control. This is why religious groupthink is so dangerous. The believers have turned their minds over and are ready to be manipulated by the right cause, such as the lynchings in the Inquisition. I notice that Bible believers are typically very strongly invested in an order to things and very much against serendipity. Whereas, my grandfather who was the most unselfish man I ever met (the dude would take off his pants in the mall and give them to you if you asked him to), and probably the main reason I tried to accept the Bible because of my admiration of what a better man he was than I am (I love that man, he was my best friend ever), said that Jesus was the rock he stands on when all other things are sinking sand. The concept is so beautiful. After his death, when I got back to the Philippines, I put that "Jesus is my rock" pamphlet from his funeral up on the wall above my computer monitor. Note I did not subscribe to Christianity during his life, and we often discussed my theory that morality was orthogonal to the question of our existence. But a few hours before he died, I thanked him so much for the wonderful times and he asked me to make good my relationship with my father and he said I could never go wrong with Jesus. For the man you love to tell you that on his death bed, how can it not leave an indelible mark.
I think he never thought about the aspects of the Bible I mentioned above. He was pure love. His parents used to give groceries to poor families. He father was a Baptist minister.
There is a lot of truth to the Bible, such as every time I see a poor person begging I am reminded of the verse of the rich man who couldn't enter the narrow gate because he always ignored the beggar. I guess all of us hate that human nature can be so narrow minded and selfish, so we idealistically fall into the trap of an order that promises to punish such. But again no rehabilitation, makes it clear the Bible is totalitarian which is a deviant psychology.
What made it so difficult to let go of Christianity because I love my grandfather so much.
But maybe that is just luck. We get lucky to know people like that.
Grandad at sister's college graduation:
http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shannon_graduation_and_Granddad.jpg
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Could we not be worshiping twisted versions of old tales that parents told their children, or their people, to keep them in line before the great flood? And after the great flood, those stories then became real to the survivors who believed a naturally occurring event was caused by God?
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Could we not be worshiping twisted versions of old tales that parents told their children, or their people, to keep them in line before the great flood? And after the great flood, those stories then became real to the survivors who believed a naturally occurring event was caused by God?
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While I'm by no means an expert in the Bible (I haven't read it), seeing it in every hotel room I stayed made me quite suspicious of it as it screamed propaganda. My suspicions were later reaffirmed in the sources I found all by myself and learned to pay attention to over time. While some parts of the Bible might be true, other were manipulated, because lie is harder to discern when mixed with the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZLPkvz6G_M
The idea of outside God (as my creator) is inherently flawed. Because empirically everything I experience stems from me and therefore is already contained within me. I cannot experience the idea of God without me being there in the first place. Only I know what it's like to be me (thus only I can "create" myself) and any God I will ever experience will just be a reflection of God within me. God and its Creation are inseparable the same way a dancer and her dance are.
I do believe there is an overseeing entity of our planet and our "species", and I am hoping its not a bunch of fucked up humans trying to control the decency of humanity. Although, currently, I haven't come to a conclusion one way or the other as to who or what that entity may be.
I will say I am beginning to think the Bible was created or evolved into a control mechanism for people. Although, I am struggling with whether or not its a necessary control to have a somewhat functioning & pleasant society. Trust me, I am not one to want any regulation or control over anyone but there are certain groups of people that I know would do evil things if they didn't have some type of spiritual accountability hanging over their head.
My fear is if God disappears from societies, and there is no personal fear or accountability for ones actions outside of law enforcement, I think the society may break down or at least turn into a society I may not want to be a part of.
I still continue to not be able to understand the arguments of most of the religious groups out there that read the Bible as if it is some type of manual for life. Some of my concerns with the Bible stem from the fear that the people, at the time of Jesus, were not intelligent enough to determine whether or not they were being tricked into seeing or believing things that weren't actually happening. However, I do believe some were intelligent enough to deceive and manipulate.
Also earlier in time, how do I know Moses didn't fall and whack his head on a rock and get some type of brain damage that made him delusional before he, or whoever, wrote those first set of books?
The earliest accounts of the Bible apparently came from songs, poetry and other hand-me down stories that had been passed down verbally through multiple generations. We have those hand-me down stories all the time, even today, and what worries me is they can lose their original value or meaning even within a few generations of being passed down, lyrics and stories change slightly as they are passed along through generations.
I wonder if the Itsy Bitsy Spider song is related to the great flood??? Is the spider resembling human kind going into the gutter (sinning) and then being washed away with water?? only to repeat the process after the sun comes back up??
The Bible seems to have been started around 1500BC. The creation stories date back to 4000BC (I will note here that the Bible technically doesn't say when the creation stories come from). It is worrisome to think that these stories were verbally passed down through at least 1500 years before being written into the first books of the Bible. Could we not be worshiping twisted versions of old tales that parents told their children, or their people, to keep them in line before the great flood? And after the great flood, those stories then became real to the survivors who believed a naturally occurring event was caused by God?
I also fear our ancestors may have reached a point in mental/psychological evolution where they needed a God and an explanation of their existence and thus mentally created one through these stories. Maybe Moses picks up on these stories after the flood and starts writing about them?
I feel there IS some truth in the Bible, but it also appears to be a cluster-fuck of books that seem to sometimes contradict prior books and the values the books preach about.
Here are a few more questions for any overly religious folks out there
1) Why are their human fossils and other evidence being found that predate the creation week? Including underwater volcanoes and other things that have erupted, supposedly before water or land ever existed.
2) Why would Jesus question Cain as to where his brother is when he speaks to Cain in the field? Shouldn't Jesus know Abel is dead??? Also, why the hell would Cain get to walk away from a murder and be allowed to go build a city?
---It sounds like some guy killed his Brother and then made a deal with Jesus to build a city and Jesus would allow him to live by telling people they would be punished seven times worse.
Also...... a note for any religious health folks out there: Jesus accepted the fat from a sheep and rejected the fruit.
There are unfortunately plenty of murderers who have not been caught, and plenty of people around that have caused the death of many people. Look at some of the dictators in the world who live long luxurious lives while breaking almost every commandment. We seem to be taught that all things will be justified in death, and that those sinners won't make it to the promise land but that's a hard pill to swallow with some of the tragedies I have personally seen in my own life and in others.
3) Why would a God create an Earth in the fashion that its laid out in the Bible, what is the motive??
I'm done ranting.
This was also interesting to look at, hopefully its all accurate!
I will say I am beginning to think the Bible was created or evolved into a control mechanism for people. Although, I am struggling with whether or not its a necessary control to have a somewhat functioning & pleasant society. Trust me, I am not one to want any regulation or control over anyone but there are certain groups of people that I know would do evil things if they didn't have some type of spiritual accountability hanging over their head.
My fear is if God disappears from societies, and there is no personal fear or accountability for ones actions outside of law enforcement, I think the society may break down or at least turn into a society I may not want to be a part of.
I still continue to not be able to understand the arguments of most of the religious groups out there that read the Bible as if it is some type of manual for life. Some of my concerns with the Bible stem from the fear that the people, at the time of Jesus, were not intelligent enough to determine whether or not they were being tricked into seeing or believing things that weren't actually happening. However, I do believe some were intelligent enough to deceive and manipulate.
Also earlier in time, how do I know Moses didn't fall and whack his head on a rock and get some type of brain damage that made him delusional before he, or whoever, wrote those first set of books?
The earliest accounts of the Bible apparently came from songs, poetry and other hand-me down stories that had been passed down verbally through multiple generations. We have those hand-me down stories all the time, even today, and what worries me is they can lose their original value or meaning even within a few generations of being passed down, lyrics and stories change slightly as they are passed along through generations.
I wonder if the Itsy Bitsy Spider song is related to the great flood??? Is the spider resembling human kind going into the gutter (sinning) and then being washed away with water?? only to repeat the process after the sun comes back up??
The Bible seems to have been started around 1500BC. The creation stories date back to 4000BC (I will note here that the Bible technically doesn't say when the creation stories come from). It is worrisome to think that these stories were verbally passed down through at least 1500 years before being written into the first books of the Bible. Could we not be worshiping twisted versions of old tales that parents told their children, or their people, to keep them in line before the great flood? And after the great flood, those stories then became real to the survivors who believed a naturally occurring event was caused by God?
I also fear our ancestors may have reached a point in mental/psychological evolution where they needed a God and an explanation of their existence and thus mentally created one through these stories. Maybe Moses picks up on these stories after the flood and starts writing about them?
I feel there IS some truth in the Bible, but it also appears to be a cluster-fuck of books that seem to sometimes contradict prior books and the values the books preach about.
Here are a few more questions for any overly religious folks out there
1) Why are their human fossils and other evidence being found that predate the creation week? Including underwater volcanoes and other things that have erupted, supposedly before water or land ever existed.
2) Why would Jesus question Cain as to where his brother is when he speaks to Cain in the field? Shouldn't Jesus know Abel is dead??? Also, why the hell would Cain get to walk away from a murder and be allowed to go build a city?
---It sounds like some guy killed his Brother and then made a deal with Jesus to build a city and Jesus would allow him to live by telling people they would be punished seven times worse.
Also...... a note for any religious health folks out there: Jesus accepted the fat from a sheep and rejected the fruit.
There are unfortunately plenty of murderers who have not been caught, and plenty of people around that have caused the death of many people. Look at some of the dictators in the world who live long luxurious lives while breaking almost every commandment. We seem to be taught that all things will be justified in death, and that those sinners won't make it to the promise land but that's a hard pill to swallow with some of the tragedies I have personally seen in my own life and in others.
3) Why would a God create an Earth in the fashion that its laid out in the Bible, what is the motive??
I'm done ranting.
This was also interesting to look at, hopefully its all accurate!
Very interesting discussion.
I don't mean to interrupt, but have a few questions.
You seem to be defining God's love based on condition of not doing something. Wouldn't God be even greater if God's love was unconditional? Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3rMnvyXgQ
Also experiencing one aspect of existence (a perceived Hell) for eternity would only last for as long as you believe in it. Instead of one law, one rule, there seem to be actually four universal fundamental laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiotqFbgonM
There is a good chance that all of them can be well explained with mathematics (except first one which is empirical), but I won't go into that here.
I don't mean to interrupt, but have a few questions.
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One rule; one law; one order; don't eat the one fruit. Eat all the rest. Don't eat that one. Honor God by obeying that one rule. After all, honoring God, and thereby glorifying Him, is what man was created for.
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One rule; one law; one order; don't eat the one fruit. Eat all the rest. Don't eat that one. Honor God by obeying that one rule. After all, honoring God, and thereby glorifying Him, is what man was created for.
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You seem to be defining God's love based on condition of not doing something. Wouldn't God be even greater if God's love was unconditional? Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3rMnvyXgQ
Also experiencing one aspect of existence (a perceived Hell) for eternity would only last for as long as you believe in it. Instead of one law, one rule, there seem to be actually four universal fundamental laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiotqFbgonM
There is a good chance that all of them can be well explained with mathematics (except first one which is empirical), but I won't go into that here.
at least you can get your ears cleaned... /sarc what you fail to see in this chart is the accessibility of young woman for those corrupts enough to destroy a society for their sexual pleasure. In China, It's called those of coming from the setting sun in arms where all the corrupts have no choice but surrenders their ways and weapons, because they realize that like in all thing corruption can't stand the test of the Path, and that once the time to die has come better leave in peace so that mercy can be found in death. I start to feel that trough Japan history some men have taken a little bit of knowledge from China and imposed their will on others in Japan until someone more knowledgeable came and repeat the same circus. Empire building is boring, all paths have been seen, love, kindness, harmony and prosperity are harder, there is no fog of war to hide in. We will know 01.
Can anyone translate this to comprehensible English? Sorry I can't understand what he is saying. Reads like gibberish to me.
I think he is trying to say that while we few Bible people argue about the Bible, there are great groups of orientals that have something entirely different to say.
at least you can get your ears cleaned... /sarc what you fail to see in this chart is the accessibility of young woman for those corrupts enough to destroy a society for their sexual pleasure. In China, It's called those of coming from the setting sun in arms where all the corrupts have no choice but surrenders their ways and weapons, because they realize that like in all thing corruption can't stand the test of the Path, and that once the time to die has come better leave in peace so that mercy can be found in death. I start to feel that trough Japan history some men have taken a little bit of knowledge from China and imposed their will on others in Japan until someone more knowledgeable came and repeat the same circus. Empire building is boring, all paths have been seen, love, kindness, harmony and prosperity are harder, there is no fog of war to hide in. We will know 01.
Can anyone translate this to comprehensible English? Sorry I can't understand what he is saying. Reads like gibberish to me.
We don't know what it will be like, but it will be glorious and joyful.
nebulous warm fuzzies.
Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate you sharing the effort and time.
I am not gloating thinking all Christians are fools. I think your personal belief system is yours. It is not my place to judge it for you. I was sharing the logic I have thus far about my belief system.
No evil. Only various levels of glory and joy.
What glory and joy comes from a lack of risk and competition?
Who says that there won't be risk or competition? If God makes it so that there will be glory and joy in everything, then there will be joy and glory in everything.
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Do I have to have sex all day with the same woman for the rest of eternity? What else can I do with my time, if there is no competition and risk any more? Become an alcoholic?
We don't know what it will be like, but it will be glorious and joyful.
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The Bible is correct, there is time for everything. A time to live and a time to die. A man who can't compete might as well be dead. That is what we are here for. We get old and our loves one take care of us as we prepare to go back to the dirt and give way to the young guys.
Then comes the resurrection.
No evil. Only various levels of glory and joy.
What glory and joy comes from a lack of risk and competition?
Do I have to have sex all day with the same woman for the rest of eternity? What else can I do with my time, if there is no competition and risk any more? Become an alcoholic?
The Bible is correct, there is time for everything. A time to live and a time to die. A man who can't compete might as well be dead. That is what we are here for. We get old and our loves one take care of us as we prepare to go back to the dirt and give way to the young guys.
If I were absolutely doubt free, then I could be sure. Since I am not, I can only work the best that I can in the ways that will increase my faith, while hoping that God will take care of the rest.
And I can work as best as I can at being good so my life and legacy is not too horrible, yet I don't have to risk some horrendous eternal pain afterlife.
Heaven has never been described in a way that sounded appealing to me. Nothing that was different from this Universe could be interesting. A world with no evil, well then there can't be any discernable good. A world with no competition, risk of failure and change? Then there is no point of doing a darn thing. Just sit around on my arse all day eating grapes.
At least the Koran promises virgins.
No evil. Only various levels of glory and joy.
EDIT: Why not be joyful for someone else who has a greater level of glory and joy than I do?
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