Topic: WTF are the politicians doing ? - page 5. (Read 7271 times)

Saved from what? From punishment for being the imperfect humans that God created in the first place? Reminds me of torturing doodle bugs by creating a world in a Coke bottle experiment where they were outnumbered by fire ants.

Surely God knows that good can't be discerned without evil, just as light can't be seen without dark as contrast.

But there is something deeper going on here. If any entity creates a system of entropy, then that entity can not control it ALL OF IT, precisely because if there is a top-down controller, then all the entropy is destroyed because it is all deterministic (dependent on external control).

Thus God isn't doing any individualized punishing, sorry. Impossible. Either we exist or we don't and the serendipity (entropy) exists or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. If God is meddling, then the Universe ceases to exist and he is all alone again. A God could be observing and then do a reset and destroy or reduce the entropy of our Universe to start over. A God could exert partial control, and leave some of the entropy to be free. But by doing this continually over time, the God's preference for certain outcomes would destroy all the entropy just the same and the Universe would be just a mirror of God. So what was the point of such a game? The God is alone all again with an exact or subset copy of himself.

Even if our soul was moved outside this Universe upon death, then it could not have any communication channel to this Universe, otherwise the entropy of this Universe would collapse. So what is the point if we have no connection to the being we were here in this Universe?

Sorry top-down systems don't sustain (and God must be eternal right?). They are temporary or partial Coasian barriers, lest existence doesn't exist.

My blog essays "The Universe" and "Information Is Alive!" provide more background.

P.S. we have a conscience because evil is a high risk activity, because it turns many forces against you. The best are technological advances which make it impossible to do evil, e.g. the decentralized block chain makes it impossible to direct debasement to corruption, the end-to-end principle puts the smarts at the edge of the network, so the intermediaries have no control, etc..

That's a good question. Tell you what. Bible.

Bible talks to each person slightly differently, but very similarly.

New Testament; Jesus says this that I have posted above, if you look. Not the same words, of course.

Words in a forum like seldom express the real meaning of what is trying to be said. Also, what is read is interpreted differently than what was originally meant.

@BADecker Im just curious what structured religion you associate yourself with?

This is part of the equation. It isn't all. There are the reasons why God allows people to live. One of the big parts is so that they have time to convert to Christianity and be saved. Another is so that saved people may increase in goodness so that they have a more glorious resurrection. People who are saved are blessed with different positions of glory in Heaven, depending on their life on earth. God is the judge. We don't know all the things that go into His judgment.

The same is true for those that wind up in Hell. Depending on the general goodness (or badness) of their life, how many opportunities to be saved they turned down, and who knows what else, God will determine their level of punishment. The severity of punishment will not be the same for everyone. God is just.

I entirely agree and I explained how collectives create distorted self interest that is globally destructive.

Self Interest is THE incentive, that hasn't changed. What has changed is the means by which people can best serve their self interest.

Chef Ramsey, a paradigm shift is where the incentives have changed, and the shift is unavoidable. It doesn't require any education of the actors, because they implicitly grasp their self interest as evident by the recent example of the green line below.

The picture and caption depicted that the guy that is selling people BS is imperil simply if the people realized they had more so-called power than they thought they did. That power could either be an organic grassroots campaign to unseat this politician and multiplied on a larger scale to affect the country/state/locality as a whole or the aggression route which I was hypothesizing about. There's so many low info voters and news viewers or lack thereof that this power of information utilization to exert change can easily be steered in one pre-determined direction or another. Hence, the recent election of republicans to leadership roles in the Congress yet the first thing the establishment overlords do from the right is ram through a god awful $trillion+ bill that funds pretty much everything they were elected to dismantle. So many people believed they were doing the right thing by voting republican and while overall it was a good thing, the den of leadership is still ran and defended by the establishment republicans. Meaning, even the good conservatives and libertarians that were elected are pretty much on the sidelines especially when the establishment of both parties collude with each other against the minority in each. Not saying we aren't trending toward more anti-establishment folks getting elected but the corporate machine that funds the establishment politicians who are the protectors of the banking, media and MIC syndicate, have shown how tough it is to overpower them. They swept every US Senate primary this last election despite deep and committed grassroots fights in many states. So, this is one large example that a paradigm shift of sorts was in play but the low info republicans were fooled and the corporate candidates won the day. I injected neither anarchism nor socialism here but merely was thinking out loud about the sand that the average person has and how corralled they can truly be despite thinking or proffering that they aren't. I wish it could be true and perhaps Bitcoin will help that happen.

things like that happen when your attention needs to be diverted..
- 'hey look over there!'

 we are being kept constantly distracted since invention of msm.

Please enlighten me, where is the instruction manual for shooting a paradigm shift?

And, the average person will just go along to get along and that's how we got where we are today. Very few would consider using violence to make right what should be right. Furthermore, the govt-media complex does a great job at turning off the boob americans to anyone else that is trying to do anything to help the situation. Not to mention, this alleged power is meaningless considering the amount of military hardware in local police's hands and all the hollow points that homeland security has when you compare all that to the small amount of actual militia types that would have the mindset to engage such a large occupying force. These politicians stacked up their legions to protect them from us in the end.

That'll teach me not to skim posts! Silly reply with lighthearted intention aside, I acknowledge your astute observations. Problematically many people cannot perform basic functions without consulting someone else. 

What are you talking about? Politicians are always winning. Go look at their bank account statements.

There is no win in this for the politicians, hence they are doing nothing.

Because government and religion are synonymous with collective dependence, psychological control, and thus enabling corruption by those are handed the power by these collectivized paradigms.

Summarizing my prior post upthread, the Bible and the government are both centralized paradigms, where the collective depends on each other. We need decentralized paradigms where the individual is empowered.

Gold is not a decentralized paradigm.

How did this devolve into a discussion about religion?  ... This reminds me of my last Civ5 game and how ideology/faith points had no impact on my happiness, gold, resource, or productivity levels. 

As a person who was formerly interested in some of the astute logic of the Bible such as Matthew 7 where Jesus explains that judging is mutually destructive, i.e. teaching the value of mutual love and respect, I am coming to the realization that the logical basis for the Bible is archaic.

Wouldn't a God want to liberate us from our fear, not sustain our fear as a means of control?

So the Bible claims we have nothing to fear if we fear God and all humans follow the 10 Commandments, but not only does the Bible also admit that humans can't all follow the unrealistic 10 Commandments ("we are born sinners" and "we are filthy rags") but it even says we won't know our fate until after we die and our heart (and actions) are judged at the narrow gate. This unattainable perfection is the clever psychological ploy analogous to Lotto. Something you strive for but almost never achieve.

The 10 Commandments are about needing to trust each other, e.g. that your neighbor won't covet your wife. But we are now inventing technologies that enable us to trust the untrusted.

Perhaps the entire logical basis of the Bible seems to become irrelevant? Humans need to be empowered as individuals, not corralled into collective dependence. In this way, knowledge can be maximized.

The Bible's solution to fraud is to tell you to let the thief keep it and to expect your wealth to grow wings and fly away. It tells us to seek not wealth but faith. But if our wealth is stored in knowledge as I visualize for the coming knowledge age, then it can't be stolen and knowledge is less nebulous than (analogous to Lotto) faith. If everyone seeks faith and not wealth through knowledge, then production ceases. The Bible tells us not to worry about what we will eat, for if God can feed the birds then surely we will be given food. It tells us to walk with nothing from town to town and rely on the generosity of strangers, but if all strangers become faithful and everyone is walking with nothing, then who will produce?

hahahahaha, my reaction exactly... not sure if trolling....

You dont honestly believe all that do you? No really.....you dont right? No really....seriously tho?