Topic: WTF are the politicians doing ? - page 4. (Read 7271 times)

at least you can get your ears cleaned... /sarc what you fail to see in this chart is the accessibility of young woman for those corrupts enough to destroy a society for their sexual pleasure. In China, It's called those of coming from the setting sun in arms where all the corrupts have no choice but surrenders their ways and weapons, because they realize that like in all thing corruption can't stand the test of the Path, and that once the time to die has come better leave in peace so that mercy can be found in death. I start to feel that trough Japan history some men have taken a little bit of knowledge from China and imposed their will on others in Japan until someone more knowledgeable came and repeat the same circus. Empire building is boring, all paths have been seen, love, kindness, harmony and prosperity are harder, there is no fog of war to hide in. We will know 01.

SLVR4ME, the point about slavery in the Bible is afaics actually astute. It says that people enslave themselves by for example being lazy and going into great debt. The Bible clearly says the slave owner is to set the slave free after 7 years and to attempt rehabilitate the slave. And yes, the slave owner is entitled to some rewards, after all they are rescuing the slave from the slave's own self destruction. If the slave is misbehaving the slave owner is a position to discipline them. The slave (or his/her parents) put themself in that predicament.

I think denial of reality and nature is one of the worst delusions we can do to ourselves, e.g. denial that collectively forced unnatural equality for women via legislation results in societal collapse.

The Bible is kind of cruelly frank when it points out astutely in the 10 Commandments that children suffer from their parents' mistakes.

http://blog.jim.com/economics/the-future-belongs-to-those-that-show-up/
http://blog.jim.com/images/JapanFert4.png

See? Just what I don't want to do. Play word games. Your avatar seems to suggest that you like to do it.

Because logic is my strong suite. I can see that it doesn't take Godly power to predict that murder leads to bad outcomes. That is not predictive of a God. Nearly any one could tell you that even if they never read the Bible.

Perhaps the "do not commit adultery" is a one that most people wouldn't get intuitively. If you are hurting your wife, you are probably also hurting your offspring if that matters to you. For some alphamales, they don't care, they want to procreate as wide as they can. Perhaps the Bible's wisdom rains down on them eventually, or perhaps the Bible is a tool to keep betamales locked in their sub-class or a social control to keep women from expressing their hypergamy. I am still trying to determine the correct answer to that.

There is deeper wisdom in the Bible that is more convincing and is what held me for a while, e.g. the Proverbs do not be surety for another, 1 Samuel 8 and other scriptures against socialism and communism, Parable of the Talents, Jesus astute point in Mathew 7 about how judging others is mutually destructive, and Jesus's point in Mathew 6:5 about true faith is not showing it to anyone.

But I explained upthread why on balance overall the logic of the Bible fails IMO. It seems to be based on unfalsifiable hope and fear, which are not positive attributes.


There are lots of strawmen theories we can build by trying to build puzzles out of scriptures. I also know that Jesus explained why he spoke in parables. The Bible seems to make a prize if you can build a strawmen that fits your desired delusion. I am leaning now towards the Bible is a cleverly constructed psychological weapon. I even fell for it, because it preys on our weakness.


I am aware of the abstract descriptions of churches in Revelation and what will happen to each one.

But there is no way to know which church you belong to. The definitions are not precise. Belief in Jesus alone is not sufficient.

To the Church in Philadelphia
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

Where is the precise definition? Who has kept all his words with their deeds, i.e. who is blameless?

And note again the reference to needing to suffer so much in this life and trying to hold you from thinking for yourself. Always giving yourself to this mind control weapon.



How are you so sure that "those" isn't you?

When you have felt this indescribable pain, you will may suddenly take this question much more seriously and literally.

It is very difficult for a human to walk in another's shoes until they have.

I see you only focus on the great hope and you don't think any of the risk applies to you. That to me is delusion.




Ha. When you feel such pain, I will see if you still say that after some years to reflect on it.

When I first came through the pain, I told myself I had some idea what Hell is, and it reaffirmed my desire to avoid hell.

But now I looked rationally the offer the Bible has given me, and there is no way to know which church I would be in and what outcome would come to me.

I feel so cheated with your short response...

Saying that servants in the OT someway equate to service workers today is pretty LOL.
How many "servants" does the OT say you can have?
How many days can you beat them without punishment from god?

In society today, can you beat your servants i mean service workers or employees or whatever else you want to equate them to?
Can you also sell or trade their offspring today, like you could when the original holy book was written?

Come on bud, you are either just messing around or....uhh hopefully just messing around.

*Thank you for complimenting my avatar, i wonder if its the only commonality we share 

I meant correlations.

God says, "Do not murder." If you listen, you have a peaceful life. If you don't listen, and you go out and murder, not only does your conscience get you, but the police catch you, the judge pronounces 20 years in the slammer. Your life isn't fun anymore.

The point? Since you can see that God is right about murder, why would you think He is wrong about the things He says about salvation? Up to you, though.



If you truly think that, you either haven't delved into the Revelation, or else you are just playing with me.



The lady in the desert is representative of the true church of God (not the Roman Catholic earthly church). The Child she bore is representative of Jesus. The true church of God IS blameless, because they believe in Jesus. The Revelation has a lot of picturesque language.



I don't like pain any more than anyone. I thank God that He has allowed me a reasonably pain-free life so far. God doesn't mete out punishment by desire. He allows it in the circumstances of this life at times. He will do it in the "afterdeath" because that is what those people chose for themselves.



God doesn't want that kind of pain for anyone. I sure hope my eternal salvation doesn't depend on that kind of pain. Because if it did, I would have to select the pain over missing out on salvation. And I don't like pain any more than anyone else.

I appreciate you trying to be cordial and even trying to inspire me. It will be very difficult for me to overcome the following.

I don't see logically nor mathematically how any evidence of outcomes in this life can be evidence of an afterlife.

Do you deny the scripture? It says only 144,000 will be saved during the Tribulation. Or if the 144,000 is not literal then the Bible is great ambiguous hogwash subject to any interpretation a person desires.

The lady in the desert is saved because she was blameless. Who amongst us is blameless?

Seems to me you like the filipinos where I am, think of all the good things they can get from God, but ignore the harsh realities of the punishment God will mete out to most people.

I am a person who can handle a fair amount of pain, but probably not as much pain as these natives in the Philippines can handle. I was a competitive long distance runner in high school (sub-35 for 10K, sub 4:30 mile), so I am accustomed to accepting pain over long period of time. I've always asked to be sewed without pain killers. I played American football competitively, even played without a helmet in pickup games and played through a game with a severely broken nose.

I know since late May 2012 what is feels like to be disemboweled without pain medication for 3 days nonstop. And I doubt my medical case was as severe as it can be. I suspect many have no comprehension what horror it would be to have that occur for perpetuity. The Bible makes no definitive statement as to how to classify precisely who will receive that punishment and who will not. You choose to feel all giddy about the part of the Bible you like, and I assume ignore the parts you don't like.

I make that assumption because it appears you are smiling about the tradeoff of an uncertain hope for better afterlife, for having to carry the risk of a horrific afterlife. Given that risk-reward offer, I'd rather no afterlife at all.

I think one of the theories about why collective religions turn so violent (hey the Inquisition is not fiction), is because their happy delusion turns to fear and disillusionment when the reality hits that their hope isn't unassailable.

People who are in happy delusion are perhaps the ones to fear the most when the shit hits the fan. Then again some Christians would work very selflessly during a crisis, so maybe those mass manias aren't representative of most of the religious.

Too bad you let someone distract you from the joys of Heaven by placing your focus on some tribulation time.

Everyone dies... or so it seems. That's a fact of this life... or so it seems. Will rejecting the truth change this? Personally, I think that it will at best make things worse.

Any ideals that people have should be greatly increased by the hope of an everlasting life of joy with God in Heaven. What distracted you? Or didn't you really believe it in the first place?

Everything in life is done on faith. Nobody does anything with the absolute knowledge that there will be a certain, specific outcome. So, when God promises us in the Bible what the outcome will be, we accept the promise based on faith. Our faith is made stronger when we see the outcome of breaking His laws for us for this life. We have trouble and pain when we break the laws for this life. So, why ask for the big trouble by not accepting the salvation He provides?



If God can't talk to me in a language and logic I can appreciate, then what is the point?

If I just blindly and illogically accept delusion that suits me, then what sort of creature am I?